Paul Elam’s Jury Nullification applies only to VIOLENT sex offenders?

The main stream of the men’s rights movement is not worried about men’s sexual freedom. Notable exceptions are the antifeminist and sites linked in his right side bar.

The following post is about the internal rift between the father’s rights main wing of MRA, and the few true men’s rights activists that want to free men from persecution for normal male sexuality.

Google "Paul Elam jury nullification" 1 2.3 4 6 7 You find Paul Elam at avoiceformen would want all of these forcible rapists set free, because in today’s climate they can get no due process. I thought he was pretty courageous to suggest jury nullification, because really, men can not get due process when accused of rape. Most likely Paul wants to make a provocative statement, to cast light on unjust *rape laws.

But I wonder:

Does Paul Elam’s Jury Nullification apply only to violent sex offenders?

The rest of the sex offenders also suffer from lack of due process . Rarely their "crimes" are proven beyond reasonable doubt. Non-forcible *rape, or child abuse, reported long after the fact are hard to prove with good corroborating evidence.

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America’s #1 most wanted criminal .. for taking photos in a boy’s toilet

 

eric_justin_toth-most-wanted-posterEric Justin Toth is on the #1 on the FBI’s most wanted list.

Taking photos, the worst crime in the US

Eric Justin Toth is a peeping Tom who installed a camera in a boy’s restroom. (Disclaimer).

He did not kill, he did not maim, he did not rape, he did not abuse children sexually. He did not betray national secrets. It is noteworthy, that espionage has lower prison terms then possession of child porn  (7 /8 / 9 / copine scale

Does peeping Tom Eric Justin Toth, deserve to be the enemy #1of public order, an honor formerly bestowed upon Osama Bin Laden?  Is secretly taking indecent photos of children a crime equal to Osama’s  masterminding of many terrorist attacks, including the 9/11 twin tower attack that killed 3000 people on US soil. (Disclaimer)

Non-violent Eric Justin Toth was arrested by a police force almost as heavily armed as the marines hunting Osama Bin Laden

 

FBI’s most wanted list discriminates against women:

all 10 are male. Human-Stupidity demands a 40% female quota. It is also mandatory, that the next #1 be a woman, like the European Central Bank leadership.

Toth committed a victimless crime, it seems the victims did not even know they were photographed (see: voodoo theory)

Last year, the FBI upgraded Toth from a local most-wanted list and named him one of the country’s most notorious fugitives. His face was plastered on bus stops and billboards in the Washington area and nationwide, including in Manhattan’s Times Square.

At the time, FBI officials said they gave Toth such treatment because they thought that he was a threat to children

A threat to children?

On the FBI’s most wanted list, Eric Justin Toth ranks #1, above drug trafficking multiple murderers like

Glen Stewart Godwin is being sought for his 1987 escape from Folsom State Prison in California, where he was serving a lengthy sentence for murder. Later in 1987, Godwin was arrested for drug trafficking in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. After being convicted, he was sent to a prison in Guadalajara. In April of 1991, Godwin allegedly murdered a fellow inmate and then escaped five months later.

What terrible crime die Eric Justin Toth commit? He took a few photos in boy’s bath rooms.Eric Justin Toth guarded by half a dozen heavily armed Swat, as if he were a violent felon.

Eric Justin Toth, a former private-school teacher, is wanted for allegedly possessing child pornography in Washington, DC. It is alleged that in June of 2008, pornographic images were found on a school camera that had been in Toth’s possession. Toth also allegedly produced child pornography in Maryland.

Eric Justin Toth seems to be a peeping Tom. Secretly taking indecent photos he should not take. Not nice. Illegal.

I would rather have a few secretive photos taken of myself, or my child, then getting my head dunked into the school toilet by a notorious school bully. (voodoo theory, Disclaimer)

No word, no allegation he sexually touched a child. Which would be more eerie, but not as terrible as it is made out to be (Disclaimer, child sex trauma myth, rind study) Justin-Toth-wanted

Toth taught third grade at Beauvoir, a private elementary school on the grounds of the Washington National Cathedral. He was escorted off campus in June 2008 after another teacher reported finding sexually explicit photographs on a school camera in Toth’s possession. He had not been seen since he lost his job. […]

Toth was added to the FBI’s most-wanted list in April 2012 for allegedly possessing and producing child pornography, giving him notoriety normally reserved for people sought in connection with violent crimes or terrorism.

Osama bin Laden and purported Boston mobster James "Whitey" Bulger have both been featured on that list, but the FBI said it put Toth on because there were no reliable clues as to his whereabouts and because his Internet skills and alleged penchant for grooming children made him especially dangerous.

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Burglary, robbery, rape of 90 year old woman by 13 y old child. By strict liability, she is a (statutory) rapist!


Maurice McGill, 13   at the time of the alleged assault, is charged with one count each of rape, aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, and abduction, according to the Lima Police Department.

Police say the McGill youth, who will be tried in the Allen County Juvenile Court on Aug. 13, allegedly broke into the woman’s home in the 200 block of Haller Street and sexually assaulted the victim. Boy, 13, raped woman, 90

This is an (alleged) case of forcible true rape, rape-rape in the classical sense of the word “rape”, Not one of the dozens of new versions of re-defined *rape.

A child (monster) of 13 years breaks into a house, robs, burglars, abducts and rapes an old lady. Shocking in every respect. A nightmare. In her own house she gets robbed and raped. The kid deserves strict punishment, and society deserves to be protected from such animals

Strict liability laws for statutory rape

But the 90 year old lady had sex with a 13 year old child. In many US states, this is a *strict liability crime.

So the poor old lady could be charged with child rape. Due to the extreme circumstances of the case, prosecutors were wise enough not to press charges, so our analysis is theoretical.

If you have sex with a person under the age of consent, you are a child rapist

“Strict liability crime” [1] [2] [3] [4] means: if you commit an act, (e.g. if you have sex with a mnior) you are guilty and will be convicted.  Mens rea, criminal intent is not required , no knowledge needed that you are committing a crime.

The liability is said to be strict because defendants will be convicted even though they were genuinely ignorant of one or more factors that made their acts or omissions criminal. The defendants may therefore not be culpable in any real way, i.e. there is not even criminal negligence, the least blameworthy level of mens rea. Strict liability (criminal)

Men get convicted for sex with underage women, even if they thought she was over the age of consent. Even if they have very good reasons to believe she was of age, because they met her in a 21-and-over bar with ID check. Even if she had a valid true government ID. because she duped the department of motor vehicles into giving her a incorrect age ID. It does not matter, if they had sex with a 17 year old, they are *child *rapists.

So, by modern re-definition of the word *rape, poor 90 year old lady would be a child rapist and could be indicted. She had sex with a 13 year old child (under 14 year old is a further aggravation). No criminal intent nor further proof is needed.


Maurice McGill, 13   at the time of the alleged assault, is charged with one count each of rape, aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, and abduction, according to the Lima Police Department.

Police say the McGill youth, who will be tried in the Allen County Juvenile Court on Aug. 13, allegedly broke into the woman’s home in the 200 block of Haller Street and sexually assaulted the victim. Boy, 13, raped woman, 90

This is an (alleged) case of forcible true rape, rape-rape in the classical sense of the word “rape”, Not one of the dozens of new versions of re-defined *rape.

A child (monster) of 13 years breaks into a house, robs, burglars, abducts and rapes an old lady. Shocking in every respect. A nightmare. In her own house she gets robbed and raped. The kid deserves strict punishment, and society deserves to be protected from such animals

Strict liability laws for statutory rape

But the 90 year old lady had sex with a 13 year old child. In many US states, this is a *strict liability crime.

So the poor old lady could be charged with child rape. Due to the extreme circumstances of the case, prosecutors were wise enough not to press charges, so our analysis is theoretical.

If you have sex with a person under the age of consent, you are a child rapist

“Strict liability crime” [1] [2] [3] [4] means: if you commit an act, (e.g. if you have sex with a mnior) you are guilty and will be convicted.  Mens rea, criminal intent is not required , no knowledge needed that you are committing a crime.

The liability is said to be strict because defendants will be convicted even though they were genuinely ignorant of one or more factors that made their acts or omissions criminal. The defendants may therefore not be culpable in any real way, i.e. there is not even criminal negligence, the least blameworthy level of mens rea. Strict liability (criminal)

Men get convicted for sex with underage women, even if they thought she was over the age of consent. Even if they have very good reasons to believe she was of age, because they met her in a 21-and-over bar with ID check. Even if she had a valid true government ID. because she duped the department of motor vehicles into giving her a incorrect age ID. It does not matter, if they had sex with a 17 year old, they are *child *rapists.

So, by modern re-definition of the word *rape, poor 90 year old lady would be a child rapist and could be indicted. She had sex with a 13 year old child (under 14 year old is a further aggravation). No criminal intent nor further proof is needed.


Maurice McGill, 13   at the time of the alleged assault, is charged with one count each of rape, aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, and abduction, according to the Lima Police Department.

Police say the McGill youth, who will be tried in the Allen County Juvenile Court on Aug. 13, allegedly broke into the woman’s home in the 200 block of Haller Street and sexually assaulted the victim. Boy, 13, raped woman, 90

This is an (alleged) case of forcible true rape, rape-rape in the classical sense of the word “rape”, Not one of the dozens of new versions of re-defined *rape.

A child (monster) of 13 years breaks into a house, robs, burglars, abducts and rapes an old lady. Shocking in every respect. A nightmare. In her own house she gets robbed and raped. The kid deserves strict punishment, and society deserves to be protected from such animals

Strict liability laws for statutory rape

But the 90 year old lady had sex with a 13 year old child. In many US states, this is a *strict liability crime.

So the poor old lady could be charged with child rape. Due to the extreme circumstances of the case, prosecutors were wise enough not to press charges, so our analysis is theoretical.

If you have sex with a person under the age of consent, you are a child rapist

“Strict liability crime” [1] [2] [3] [4] means: if you commit an act, (e.g. if you have sex with a mnior) you are guilty and will be convicted.  Mens rea, criminal intent is not required , no knowledge needed that you are committing a crime.

The liability is said to be strict because defendants will be convicted even though they were genuinely ignorant of one or more factors that made their acts or omissions criminal. The defendants may therefore not be culpable in any real way, i.e. there is not even criminal negligence, the least blameworthy level of mens rea. Strict liability (criminal)

Men get convicted for sex with underage women, even if they thought she was over the age of consent. Even if they have very good reasons to believe she was of age, because they met her in a 21-and-over bar with ID check. Even if she had a valid true government ID. because she duped the department of motor vehicles into giving her a incorrect age ID. It does not matter, if they had sex with a 17 year old, they are *child *rapists.

So, by modern re-definition of the word *rape, poor 90 year old lady would be a child rapist and could be indicted. She had sex with a 13 year old child (under 14 year old is a further aggravation). No criminal intent nor further proof is needed.


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Teacher(41) Leaves Wife, Kids, Quits School, to Live With High School Student (18)

Teacher Leaves Wife, Kids for High School Student |Yahoo

James Hooker — the 41-year-old married father who left his wife and kids for his 18-year-old-student — might be the worst teacher ever. Last week, he resigned from his job at Enochs High School in Modesto, California over the scandal that’s shaken up a community and pit one mom on a crusade to save her daughter from a man she calls a "master manipulator."  […]

teacher-moves-in-with-studentWe understand concerns about teacher-student sex. But didn’t he do everything right here?

Jordan met her teacher as a freshman, but both maintain nothing physical happened until she turned 18 this past September. Hooker claims he saw Powers as "just a student" and had no romantic feelings toward her at first, but when her most recent birthday came around, things changed.

Waited until she was 18? Isn’t that what he is supposed to do?

Or is the antifeminist right that the 18 year age of consent limit serves to instill terror in men, to prevent sex with women even older then that limit?

They changed so much, in fact, that Hooker, left his wife and three kids (one of them a 17-year-old Enochs high school student as well) so that he could move in with Jordan.

James Hooker is the target of a vindictive vendeetta. Not by Hooker’s wife, but by the girl’s mother. 

Tammie Powers said her daughter, Jordan, has known Hooker since her freshman year at James Enochs High School.  She said the two exchanged a flood of text messages and phone calls the day after Jordan’s 18th birthday on Sept. 5.

Tammie Powers said she had also obtained evidence that the two were corresponding regularly before Jordan began her senior year and she believes Hooker has committed a crime.

"That’s pursuit, in my opinion, with some type of intent," she said.

Watch Video: Mom blasts Modesto teacher’s affair with her daughter

Again, avoiding sex with under 18 year olds is not enough. One should not even text or phone with her. Mr. Antifeminist you are so right! The law is not just concerned with "protecting" 17 year olds from having sex.

Still, Hooker claims he has no regrets. In an interview with Good Morning America, he shut down Tammie’s accusations as a "pack of lies" and said of his new love, "we really do want to have a future together."

Human-Stupidity believes that teenage sexuality laws create lots of suffering and prevent true love from  happening. Read our 60 posts on the issue of teenage sexuality and its legal problems.

I hope Mr. Hooker is also fully aware that he is totally in the hands of his young lover. If, during the next 4 years (statute of limitations) she claims she was coerced to lie and in reality they had sex while she was under 18 and/or his student, his life is over. There is no due process in such accusations, so there is almost no defense in case she accuses him. It does not matter if the accusation is true or a malicious lie.

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Voluntary Castration of Sex Offenders violates Human Rights?

Council of Europe urges Germany to abolish castration

The Council of Europe’s anti-torture committee on Wednesday urged Germany to abolish the surgical castration of sex offenders, warning that the operation could amount to "degrading treatment".

Germany offers sex offenders aged over 25 the option of surgical castration or orchiectomy

Scalpel-007Human Rights is worried about Germany allowing the voluntary castration of 5 sex offenders per year?!

But it is not degrading to imprison men for possession of movies of nude or even fully dressed 15 year olds (Knox vs. USA),  or for consensual sex with a 17 year old girl friend. Where they are falsely labeled child sex offenders or worse, child  *rapists. Such offenders disgust common violent criminals who tend to single them out for punishment by frequent anal rape

"Surgical castration is a mutilating, irreversible intervention and cannot be considered as a medical necessity in the context of the treatment of sexual offenders.

According to the report, authorities in Germany cited the low reoffending rate for those who have opted for physical castration in their defence of the practice.

Of 104 people who were operated on between 1970 and 80, only 3% have reoffended, compared to 46% of the 53 others who refused castration or who did not secure expert approval for the operation. […] The Czech Republic is the only other of the 47 Council of Europe member states which gives sex offenders the option of physical castration. Council of Europe urges Germany to abolish castration

Only 104 people getting surgical castration in a decade? In spite of very low re-offending rate? Which is not only good for his victims, but for the offender himself who can live a normal life out of jail and without guilt.

DALLAS (AP) – Frightened victims-rights advocates tried desperately last year to find a way to fulfill convicted child molester Larry Don McQuay’s request to be castrated.

McQuay swore he’d molested more than 200 children. He declared he was "doomed to eventually rape then murder my poor little victims to keep them from telling on me."

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Teacher Sex with 14 Year Old: 40 year Prison in USA, Acquittal in Germany

Germany: High court acquitted teacher for 22 sex acts with 14 year old student.
It voided a 2 year suspended sentence proffered by two lower courts

A a German appeal court voided of a lower court’s  suspended 2 year sentence for a 32 year old male teacher. He had sex with a 14 year old student on 22 occasions. The court decision is final. The court justified the decision:

  1. Sex with a 14 year olds is not a crime. Article 176 of the German penal code only covers sexual abuse of children under 14 years , unless it is paid (Art. 182) [6].
  2. According to the Penal Code Art 174 [6],  sexual abuse of wards occurs only when a minor under 18y has been entrusted to the offender "for the education, training or supervision". The student was not entrusted to the accused, because he only covered for the teacher’s absence and only gave very occasional classes to her. If he were her regular teacher, he would have been convicted [6].

USA: 40 years for the same crime: for female teacher’s sex with 14 year old boy

shannon-alicia-schmieder-teacher-sexFemale teacher Shannon Alicia Schmieder (39) in Coweta, Georgia received a 40 year jail sentence for sex with a 14 year old boy [2][3]. This fills some men’s rights proponents with glee: finally a woman gets a taste of the bitter "age of consent"  medicine concocted by feminists and religious zealots:  the same high jail terms men routinely get sentenced to.  Making love carries the same prison term as as murder or manslaughter [4]

The randomness of adolescent sex laws

Teenage sexuality is plagued by arbitrary laws which vary a lot over time and over places [1]. So much that children need a lawyer before playing doctor [8].

Human-Stupidity never made it a secret that we don’t think that the might of the state needs to interfere in such consensual adolescent affairs. We think that it is the parents’ have the duty to supervise and educate their children and that parents have a right set limits for them [5].  German law is inspired by sensible sex positive realists.

Teacher still faces disciplinary action and protests

The teacher still faces disciplinary action from the school. "Der Spiegel" calls the verdict "controversial". Sensationalist yellow press Bild calls it a "scandalous verdict" [6]. Parent organizations, press organs and the German Child Protection Association vehemently protests [6].

Human-Stupidity Analysis

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Hummer Mom’ Christine Hubbs Convicted of Underage Sex, Says She’s Not a ‘Predator’

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Double standard: men punished more harshly then women

  • If a man did the same, would it be called "underage sex"? No, it would be called rape. So there certainly is a double standard.
  • Would a man get away with 5 years? A man probably would get 15 to 25 years in jail.
  • In a TV interview, would a man not be treated much worse?

Sex has more serious consequences for boys then for girls: The double standard should be inverted!

In this modern age boys need more protection then girls (due to slower maturation, existing laws and scientific progress)

  • adolescent girls mature faster then boys, physically, intellectually and psychologically. Legal age for marriage was, and still is much lower for girls then for boys in most countries in the world (Marriagable Age | Wikipedia, Elisabethan marriage customs, Historical Age of Marriage). This has also to do with gender roles with the more mature man the provider and protector.
  • pregnancy, the real sex-induced "damage" to girls can be avoided by birth control. Girls have total freedom to decide if they carry a pregnancy to term or use their reproductive freedom for an early term abortion.
  • Things have changed since the EEA, where evolution has shaped our inborn moral feelings, and since biblical times, when our religious code was written down. Fairly recently, we devised birth control, abortion, DNA tests, government welfare and legal child support obligation for men.
  • In biblical times and the EEA, a girl had no option to avoid pregnancy through birth control, no option to terminate pregnancy through (early term) abortion, no courts nor police state  pursuing the father for support (except shotgun weddings due to pressure by the girl’s kin), no government welfare, no child care and job opportunities for single mothers. And her marriage prospects would have gotten really dim after having an out of wedlock baby.
  • Thus, girls and women can have risk-free sex with no long term consequences.
  • Boys, on the other hand are totally powerless once a woman got pregnant. Boys/men  have absolutely no chance to avoid the serious trauma of
    • decades of enforced ruinous child support  and alimony duty
    • with no automatic visitation rights to even see the child or influencing how the money is spent.
    • No rights but payment duties enforced by police and prison, not much different from slavery.

Thanks to the AntiFeminist for calling our attention to some of the above issues.

Now that we clarified that adolescent boys are in more need of protection then girls, Human-Stupidity dares to question if any adolescent needs government protection against his/her own decisions.

Are draconian punishments needed to protect adolescents from their own actions and decisions?

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Countersue women’s rights groups for falsifying data that led to enactment of the very laws used to sue Silvio Berlusconi

Valeria Ajovalasit’s Arquidonna women’s rights group sues Italian president Silvio Berlusconi. For violating laws enacted due to pressure by the same feminist groups, based on false manipulated data, warped logic and under abuse of male chivalry and concern about women’s well being. [Similar issues are at the US supreme court in the Wal-Mart class action suit).

Valeria Ajovalasit, president of Arquidonna women’s rights group, feels degraded by Italy’s president Silvio Berlusconi’s allegedly paying a beautiful 17 year old for sex. For wrongly paying money to a girl that wanted money, Valeria Ajovalasit and Arquidonna now want Berlusconi to pay all women of Italy, without receiving sex in return.
Ruby ‘the heart stealer’ cashes in: The woman at the centre of sex allegations surrounding Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has cashed in on her fame by appearing in an Italian commercial.

An Italian women’s rights group has asked the court overseeing Silvio Berlusconi’s sex trial for the right to seek compensation from the prime minister, claiming that he has offended the dignity of all Italian women.
Italian women seek compensation from Silvio Berlusconi| The Telegraph

 

Valeria Ajovalasit, head of Arquidonna women's rights group Amazing how easy it is to offend the dignity of all Italian women. Now feminist laws that were enacted in the last 50 years gravely offend the dignity of men by criminalizing more and more behavior that formerly was normal and legitimate.

Berlusconi could legally have sex with that woman, but if he gives her money, then it is illegal, thanks to laws enacted by the same women’s groups that now want to extort money from Mr. Berlusconi. Based on falsified numbers about sex trafficking (The Myth of Sex Trafficking)

Legitimate mainstream magazines, movies and newspapers from the 1970’s now are child porn, and tens of thousands of men are in jail getting special rape attention from gangsters.

The antifeminist had the glorious idea: men’s groups unite and countersue.

If Italian women get offended by a man (maybe, allegedly) having sex with a woman over the age of consent, imagine men’s offense at risking jail for looking at photos, for going to jail for having sex with women who lied about their age and presented fake id (Victim dupes man into raping her. How can you rape without knowing you are raping?). This does not offend the dignity of all men?

 

Countersue Valeria Ajovalasit’s Arquidonna and other women’s Rights Groups: their false statistics helped promote laws that unjustly jail thousands of men and now accuse Berlusconi

If there existed such a men’s rights lobby group in Italy, it could make a counter-claim against the feminists who passed the original anti-prostitution laws that criminalized the sexual choices and restricted the opportunities of all Italian men.  Including the feminist advocacy lobby groups that lobbied for such laws (that no doubt include the group behind this absurd claim against Berlusconi).  As I and others have documented, such lobbying has clearly been based upon deliberate lies, falsehoods, and exaggerations.  The antifeminist

Women have fought to restrict and jail men and to take over the world’s courts and justice systems. This has been on-going for over a century (The Fraud of Feminism – Ernest Belfort Bax (complete) year (1913!) ). It is time for men to wake up, unite, and fight back.

Feminist organizations lying about data

 

 

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