I grew up indoctrinated by political correctness. Like a large part of citizens in Western countries I was brainwashed: Races do not exist, all are equal. Saying anything different, saying that there are racial differences, is racism, a crime.

Read this, everything you need to know about scientific research about racial differences: RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

In school I heard disparaging remarks about Artur Jensen and other “unscientific” “dishonest” “cheating” scientists doing faulty research about race differences.

The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray actually looked fairly convincing to me, but if even President Bill Clinton denounced it, there must be something wrong about it.

There always was some complex theory to explain away the IQ differences:

  • different culture
  • parental expectation
  • mother’s malnourishment
  • IQ measurements are racially and culturally biased

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Adopted Children's IQ by Race

My opinion changed when I read about trans-racial adoption studies. That was the last drop that really disproved all these desperate attempts to explain away racial differences in intelligence.

“The best evidence for the genetic basis of race-IQ differences comes from trans-racial adoption studies of Oriental children, Black children, and Mixed-Race children. All these children have been adopted by White parents at an early age and have grown up in middle-class White homes.”

Chart 9 summarizes the results for Oriental children adopted into White middle-class homes.
Korean and Vietnamese babies from poor backgrounds, many of whom were malnourished, were adopted by White American and Belgian families. When they grew up, they excelled in school. The IQs of the adopted Oriental children were 10 or more points higher than the national average for the country they grew up in. Trans-racial adoption does not increase or decrease IQ. The three-way pattern of race differences in IQ remains.”

In plain English: adopted Asian babies grew up to be very bright, adopted black babies grew up to have low intelligence.

One more desperate argument that was posed to save the “racial equality” dogma:

They claimed “expectancy effects,” not genes, explained the pattern. They argued that the Black and White children were not treated the same. Even if parents took good care of their children, the schools, classmates, and society as a whole discriminated against Black children and this hurt their IQs. Because we expected Black children to do poorly in school, they lived up to our low expectations.”

Even that argument got promptly destroyed.  Rushton:

A special analysis of the Scarr study compared parents who believed that they had adopted a Black baby but, really, had adopted a Mixed-Race (Black-White) child. The average IQ for these Mixed-Race children was just about the same as for other Mixed-Race children and above that for adopted Black children. This was true even though the parents who adopted these Mixed-Race children thought their babies really had two Black parents.

Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

That did it for me. It destroyed my ingrained indoctrinated beliefs that all races must be equal. It opened up my mind to the possibility that there could be racial differences.

Before we go on, may I stress a few more points

  • I have no axe to grind against blacks. I am not interested in proving that blacks are stupid or inferior. I am not a white supremacist
  • I have an axe to grind against dogmatism, blindness, stupidity. I have an axe to grind against the catholic church for repressing Galileo’s truth about the moving and revolving earth. And I have an axe to grind about political correctness repressing the truth, repressing research.
  • This site is about human stupidity versus truth and consciousness
  • Rushton, though much maligned, is not some crazy cook but one of the most prestigious research scientists to date: Rushton holds two doctorates from the University of London (Ph.D. and D.Sc) and is a Fellow of the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the American, British, and Canadian Psychological Associations. He is also a member of the Behavior Genetics Association, the Human Behavior and Evolution Society, and the Society for Neuroscience. Rushton has published six books and nearly 200 articles. In 1992 the Institute for Scientific Information ranked him the 22nd most published psychologist and the 11th most cited. Professor Rushton is listed in Who.  Some of Rushtons scientific publications can be found on his University page: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm

Summary of Racial differences

Racial differences summarized (J.P. Rushton)

Racial differences summarized (J.P. Rushton): Why does history show Africa trailing behind Asia and Europe? Why do Whites average between Orientals and Blacks in so many areas? Why do the groups with larger brains have lower rates of two-egg twinning? To know the answer you must look at all of the traits taken together (see Chart 1). The traits in Chart 1 form a pattern. No known environmental factor can explain all of them taken together. There is, however, a gene based explanation. The patterns make up what is called a “lifehistory.” They evolved together to meet the trials of life -- survival, growth, and reproduction.

Then of course, the non-scientific “evidence”, the hearsay, the anecdotal evidence, our daily experience, suddenly made sense:

The Whites who explored China were just as racist as those who explored Africa, but their descriptions were different from what they and the Arabs had written about Africans. In 1275 Marco Polo arrived in China from his native Italy to open trade with the Mongol Empire. He found that the Chinese had well built roads, bridges, cities connected by canals, census takers, markets, standardized weights and measures, and not only coins, but paper money as well. Even a postal system was in existence. All of these made him marvel when he compared the Chinese to what he saw in Europe and the Middle East.
Even though he was an Italian, proud of his people and well aware of the greatness of Ancient Rome, Marco Polo wrote: “Surely there is no more intelligent race on earth than the Chinese.”

In amazing ways, Rushton forms a coherent picture to make sense of all the racial differences shown in reasearch.  Some differences are biological and can not be talked away by simple psychobabble or sociology-babble.

In a few cases medical treatment and medication showed racial differences. which proves a real quagmire for race equality dogmatist. Should they talk away and hide the differences as racist and cause medical malpractice and suffering for black patients? Or should they accept the scientific facts and actively promote racial analysis of medical studies and see their beloved pet dogma undermined?

Rushton’s book sums up the relevant research. Please forgive me for always quoting Rushton, incessantly. Nobody can say it better, nobody summed up the entire field in a more concise and coherent manner then Rushton.

Many statistics in Chart 1 come from the United States, where Orientals are a “model minority.”
They have fewer divorces, fewer out-of-wedlock births, and fewer reports of child abuse than Whites.
More Orientals graduate from college and fewer go to prison.
On the other hand Blacks are 12% of the American population and make up 50% of the prison population. In the U.S., one out of every three Black men is either in jail, on probation, or awaiting trial. That is much more than the number who graduate from college.
Chapter 2 shows how this racial pattern in crime is found worldwide. INTERPOL Yearbooks show the rate of violent crime (murder, rape, and serious assault) is four times lower in Asian and Pacific Rim countries than in African and Caribbean countries. Whites in the United States and in European countries are intermediate. The 1996 INTERPOL violent crime rates clearly show this pattern: Asian countries, 35 violent crimes per 100,000 people; European countries, 42; and African countries, 149.
Chapter 2 also finds that Oriental children are slower to mature than White children while Black children are faster to mature. This is true for the rate of bone and tooth development and the age at which a child first sits, crawls, walks, and puts on clothing. Oriental children do not begin to walk until about 13 months, White children at 12 months, and Black children at 11 months.
Chapter 3 looks at racial differences in sexual activity. Orientals are the least sexually active, whether measured by age of first intercourse, intercourse frequency, or number of sexual partners. Blacks are the most active on all of these. Once again Whites are in between. These contrasts in sexual activity lead to differences in the rate of diseases like syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, and chlamydia. There are high levels of AIDS in Africa, Black America, and the Caribbean and low levels in China and Japan. European countries again fall in between.
The races differ in rate of ovulation (Chapter 3). Not all women produce one egg during the menstrual cycle. When two or more eggs are produced at the same time, a pregnancy is more likely. So is the likelihood of producing fraternal twins (i.e., two-egg twins). The number of twins born is 16 out of every 1,000 births for Blacks, 8 out of every 1,000 births for Whites, and 4 or less for Orientals. Triplets and other multiple births are rarest in Orientals and highest in Blacks, with Whites in between.
Chapter 4 is about race and intelligence. Hundreds of studies on millions of people show a threeway pattern. IQ tests are often made to have an average score of 100, with a “normal” range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for use in the Euro-American culture. Blacks in the U.S., the Caribbean, Britain, Canada, and in Africa average lower IQs — about 85. The lowest average IQs are found for sub-Saharan Africans — from 70 to 75.
Chapter 4 also looks at brain size. Bigger brains have more brain cells and this leads to higher IQs. The races vary in brain size. The Collaborative Perinatal Project followed more than 35,000 children from birth to seven years. Orientals had larger brains than Whites at birth, four months, one year, and seven years. Whites had larger brains than Blacks at all ages (see Chart 2). The data on adults in Chart 2 come from a sample of 6,325 U.S. Army personnel.
Chapter 5 asks whether differences in our brain size, our bodies and our behavior are because of genes, environment, or both. It also asks whether individual differences can tell us anything about race differences.

Chapter 6 discusses the gene based “life-history theory” I have proposed to explain the racial pattern in brain size, intelligence, and other traits. Evolutionary biologists call it the r-K scale of reproductive strategies. At one end of this scale are r-strategies that rely on high reproductive rates. At the other end are K-strategies that rely on high levels of parental care. This scale is generally used to compare the life histories of different species of animals. I have used it to explain the smaller but real differences between the human races.

On this scale, Orientals are more K-selected than Whites, while Whites are more K-selected than Blacks. Highly K-selected women produce fewer eggs (and have bigger brains) than r-selected women. Highly K-selected men invest time and energy in their children rather than the pursuit of sexual thrills. They are “dads” rather than “cads.”

Chapter 7 shows that the race differences in reproductive strategies make sense in terms of human evolution. Modern humans evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Africans and non-Africans then split about 100,000 years ago. Orientals and Whites split about 40,000 years ago.

The more north the people went “Out of Africa,” the harder it was to get food, gain shelter, make clothes, and raise children. So the groups that evolved into today’s Whites and Orientals needed larger brains, more family stability, and a longer life. But building a bigger brain takes time and energy during a person’s development. So, these changes were balanced by slower rates of growth, lower levels of sex hormones, less aggression, and less sexual activity.

Why? Because Africa, Europe, and Asia had very different climates and geographies that called for different skills, resource usage, and lifestyles. Blacks evolved in a tropical climate which contrasted with the cooler one of Europe in which Whites evolved and even more so with the cold Arctic lands where Orientals evolved.

Because intelligence increased the chances of survival in harsh winter environments, the groups that left Africa had to evolve greater intelligence and family stability. This called for larger brains, slower growth rates, lower hormone levels, less sexual potency, less aggression, and less impulsivity. Advanced planning, self-control, rule-following, and longevity all increased in the non-Africans.

I realize that these topics are controversial and that readers will have many questions. Chapter 8 lists the questions I am most asked about Race, Evolution, and Behavior, and my answers to them.

Conclusion

Race is more than “just skin deep.” The pattern of Oriental-White-Black differences is found across history, geographic boundaries, and political-economic systems. It proves the biological reality of race. Theories based only on culture cannot explain all the data shown in Chart 1. The next three chapters describe the scientific findings on race differences (summarized in Chart 1) in greater detail. Later chapters explain why these differences follow such a pattern.

Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

You can download the abridged version, in various languages, here: RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

If you really are interested, then, of course, you will read the unabridged version. Unfortunately, I could not find it at Amazon

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  1. Henry L. Gates, Jr., arrest: racial profiling necessary for safety, political correctness discourages neighborhood watch | Human Stupidity: Irrationality, Self Deception says:

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    [...] criminality for blacks over whites and Asians is a fact. Equality of races is a politically correct myth, disproved by science. There are  racial differences in intelligence, criminality, athletic behavior. Hence a black [...]

  2. hansi says:

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    Hi. I love your site. It says what I myself have observed in my years in China. However, what holds the Chinese back considerably in their cultural and technological development today is not lack of intelligence, but lack of freedom of information, a more open culture, less state control of the individual, and so on. Chinese excel when they are raised in the West, but China itself doesn’t offer fertile ground for the intellect.

  3. Tenerife says:

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    “Blacks evolved in a tropical climate which contrasted with the cooler one of Europe…”

    Where does that leave other tropical races, e.g. Indians (from India), Native Americans, Pacific Islanders?

  4. Devil's Advocate says:

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    Download and read Rushton’s book. He knows much more then I do.

    The weather being predictive vs unpredictive and catastrophic seems to be even more important then friendly vs. unfriendly. Harsh winter makes planning and discipline necessary. Occasional typhoons and floods make long term planning impossible (except if you have technology to control the damage).

    I believe most of the races you quote belong to the Asian/Mongolian race who is even more intelligent then Caucasians. Or maybe they are mixed race, an additional complexity. Also, evolution works over tens of thousands of years, a 1000 year stay on an island does not yet make profound genetic changes.

    Also, even if Rushton’s theoretical explanation was wrong, it would not change the empirical data showing the racial differences.

    Read Rushton’s abbridged free book. That entire book iw a first beginning to scratch the surface. Then you can read the full version, original research papers. And maybe suggest new research to prove a point of yours.

  5. Tenerife says:

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    Some obvious racial differences are that Caucasians have narrower, high-bridged noses, more body hair, protruding browbone, and more variety of hair/eye colors than either East Asians or Africans. I would guess it’s an environmental adaptation but I’m not sure how all of those traits benefit those who possess them.

  6. admin says:

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    Tenerife, you have to do a profound study of evolutionary biology to understand all different treats.

    For example, there is sexual selection for useless or detrimental traits, like the peacock tail. So if women find fine noses attractive, fine noses get selected for. Or they might be useful to warm the air in cold climate.

    Check hbes.com for evolutionary psychology. ricarddawkins.net and http://richarddawkins.com/ for evolutionary biology.

  7. xencat says:

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    I see you have left out the smartest people, the Jews, yet, one can argue that their IQs, which average 115 based on the same studies the above stated racial IQs averages come from, are not a race and that natural selection must be the cause, as the other semetic peoples, such as Arabs, tend to average around 85 or lower IQ scale, based on the same studies.

    I assume you left out the Jews because you are either anti-Semitic or you do not consider the Jews a race of people, only a culture like Muslims. However, there are a group of Jews that tended to be taller and smarter than all the rest, the Ashkenazi Jews. See the following for more information.
    Well anyway, although out of every race there may be an individual every now and then who is particularly intelligent, as well as a great number of persons who or absolute idiots, the distribution of average intelligence does seem to lie the way you put it, except with the Ashkenazi Jews at the top.

    The truth strikes a discordant note amongst propagandists and social engineers, so falsehoods are substituted for the facts in order to manipulate the masses.

  8. xencat says:

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    I see you have left out the smartest people, the Jews, yet, one can argue that their IQs, which average 115 based on the same studies the above stated racial IQs averages come from, are not a race and that natural selection must be the cause, as the other semetic peoples, such as Arabs, tend to average around 85 or lower IQ scale, based on the same studies.

    I assume you left out the Jews because you are either anti-Semitic or you do not consider the Jews a race of people, only a culture like Muslims. However, there are a group of Jews that tended to be taller and smarter than all the rest, the Ashkenazi Jews. See the following for more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence
    Well anyway, although out of every race there may be an individual every now and then who is particularly intelligent, as well as a great number of persons who or absolute idiots, the distribution of average intelligence does seem to lie the way you put it, except with the Ashkenazi Jews at the top.

    The truth strikes a discordant note amongst propagandists and social engineers, so falsehoods are substituted for the facts in order to manipulate the masses.

  9. xencat says:

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    I see you have left out the smartest people, the Jews, yet, one can argue that their IQs, which average 115 based on the same studies the above stated racial IQs averages come from, are not a race and that natural selection must be the cause, as the other semitic peoples, such as Arabs, tend to average around 85 or lower IQ scale, based on the same studies.

    I hazard to guess that you left out the Jews because you are either anti-Semitic or you do not consider the Jews a race of people, only a culture like Muslims. However, there are a group of Jews that tended to be taller and smarter than all the rest, the Ashkenazi Jews. See the following for more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence
    Although out of every race there may be an individual every now and then who is particularly intelligent, as well as a great number of persons who are absolute idiots, the distribution of average intelligence does seem to be the way you put it, except with the Ashkenazi Jews at the top.

    The truth strikes a discordant note amongst propagandists and social engineers, so falsehoods are substituted for the facts in order to manipulate the masses.

  10. admin says:

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    interesting. I thought about the Jews being especially intelligent, but have not read about it.

    My hunch is that Jews are not a race, a forensic cannot look at some bones and say this is a Jew. I believe that Jews have a social system that helps their intellectual development. Not sure how much of this is genetics.

    But sure an interesting point.

  11. admin says:

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    To tell the truth, I am not a specialist in the field. I am trying to get an expert to join this board who could give authoritative answers.

    I am just focussing on the fact, that intelligent true research is thwarted by stupid biased dogmatists. I am not a profound expert on details of that research.

    But it seems to me that Jews are a culture, not a race. Seems only the Nazis thought you could recognize a Jew by his looks. I also strongly doubt that Arabs fall into the category of black race. But it seems that Jews are very intelligent, hard working, and successful.

    Your Ashkenazi Jews are probably a fairly small group do to research on. Note that for research to be powerful, it has to involve twins, adopted children, differentiate culture, upbringing from genetics etc. But certainly, the issue is interesting.

    But I don’t want to fall into the trap here trying to prove that a certain race is superior. Just that there is repression of truth-seeking researchers.

  12. Riccardo says:

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    **My hunch is that Jews are not a race, a forensic cannot look at some bones and say this is a Jew. I believe that Jews have a social system that helps their intellectual development. Not sure how much of this is genetics.**

    I’d recommend you check out ‘The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution’, or NY Times science writer Nick Wade’s ‘Before the Dawn’.

    Also, this post has a good summary of recent evidence of local cognitive changes.

    http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005501.html

  13. Riccardo says:

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    **To tell the truth, I am not a specialist in the field. I am trying to get an expert to join this board who could give authoritative answers. **

    I’d also recommend Steve Hsu’s excellent discussions of recent research.

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2007/01/metric-on-space-of-genomes-and.html

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2008/01/no-scientific-basis-for-race.html

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2009/06/genetic-clustering-40-years-of-progress.html

  14. a.n.animus says:

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    Ashkenazi Jews are a Caucasian people, and while
    they’re not a separate race, someone with four
    Ashkenazi grandparents can be identified from DNA
    with almost 100% accuracy.

    For an interesting perspective on how the Ashkenazi
    Jews got their smarts, see “The 10000 Year
    Explosion”, by Cochran and Harpending. Also, see

    http://the10000yearexplosion.com/

    and

    http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

  15. Moonset Lily says:

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    The unfortunate distinctions of race and intelligence that is determined by IQ tests is a sad fact. I can’t imagine any sound person tickled over the latest studies in regarding race and IQ and how the racial groups differ. It is disturbing on many levels — disturbing that certain groups are expected to perform in an equal way in areas they are not very good at. I am Northern European and one-eight Native American. My Native American DNA traces back to Tibet and the moutains of China.

    I have a Chinese friend and not only do we share the same birthday, we even look a little alike. But I can see clear differences between us. She is a Ph.D. in Physics are a major university. I am a writer, an artist and pretty much your creative type. When I ask her what’s she’s been doing in her work lately, she usually answers “Oh, you wouldn’t understand.” And she is right.

    I realize I could never do what she does. If I had relied on my math and science skills I’d be having lunch every day at the local food bank or Salvation Army. I would have failed.

    Instead, I write speculative books, create historical tours, teach classes in many interesting subjects, write and publish poetry and paint in a way that would not be at all easy for her. She doesn’t really understand what I do either.

    But if you look at it objectively, we are exactly equal in what we do — we both excellent in our chosen paths.

    It is very important for people to follow their gifts– and I feel most of our gifts are inherited. Eventhough I grew up poor in Appalachia, many in my family write well and one is a Hollywood screenwriter. No one ever taught us. We just knew how.

    Certain races may have more talents in areas that involve physical aptitudes, such as sports, and competition.

    As far as the Ashkenazi Jews are concerned, they are a small group over time who have married in the same gene pool. Their intelligence is likely inherited as well and I am sure, as a group, is superior to my group.

    But you see it is a sad thing to make these comparisons because some groups have to fall on that bottom rung. Smart people born into that group are then greatly insulted and they should be.

    I don’t know how this can ever be resolved. At the same time, nothing good can come out of believing in falsehoods that all people are the same, with the same potential. This is may be one of the greatest problems are world faces now. I can’t see a resolution anytime soon.

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    I explain you how NORMAL science works. With this issue, it is not normal, because there is societal taboo repressing scientific research. In normal science, you make a hypothesis, like what you state: Black IQ difference is due to testing bias due to culture.

    Then you test your hypothesis. Scientifically. Your tests show this is wrong. Then people come up with other hypotheses. It is due to nutrition. etc ………

    Now you see the example that convinced me: babies from Africa and Asia war zones adopted by middle class US families. Why would there be a cultural bias in the IQ test of the 8 or 10 year old kids, having grown up in the same environment?

    Read Rushton, there is much more evidence.

    Your other example, that Nigerians, in a country with impunity and collusion of government officials, manage to scam money out of people who grew up where they don’t run into fraudsters every day, what does that prove? If anything, it supports my claim. But probably the Russian Mafia could run the same scheme. It is interesting why this is run in Nigeria, it seems to be cultural, entire cities live off this. So it requires little intelligence to learn a trade from others.

    But maybe someone can find out why it runs only in Nigeria, and not in Ruanda or Quenia. I suspect it has to do with collusion of government and police.

    Again, the war orphans in our eample have the same cultural bias and environmental factors. So this is a scientific PROOF that your hypothesis is wrong. Now you can try to find more research, find faults in the research. But just a plain statement like yours is disproven by RESEARCH.

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    Forget about orphans and scams and such. Nigerian Americans and other African immigrants and their children vastly out-perform their white counterparts. For example, Nigerians attain advanced degrees at a 2-1 ratio over whites.

    White racists say blacks are stupid and point as proof to the relative underachievement among the descendants of hundreds of years of slavery and Jim Crow. When it’s pointed out to the same white racists that Africans and their offspring vastly out-perform whites in terms of educational and professional attainment, they become discombobulated and try to dismiss the importance of educational and professional attainment. Sorry, you can’t change the rules in the middle of the game.

    How else do you want to measure IQ and intelligence? You’ve dismissed Nigerian teenagers out-smarting white people three times their ages. Okay, I’ll play along: In the United States, United Kingdom and Canada Africans and their locally born children substantially out-perform whites educationally and occupationally. What other means do we have to measure intelligence in the West other than that? If Africans were low-performers and low-achievers you’d rush to point to that as proof of their intellectual inferiority. Well, do we now proclaim their intellectual superiority over white Europeans?

    Nigerians and their American born children are vastly over-represented at the top universities in the United States. Nigerians and their children are vastly over-represented in the professional classes. I hardly think that the average white American is as smart as these Nigerians-Americans. So your theories are false and even laughable.

    Even though I’m a black man, because of my background I’ll ace any Eurocentric IQ test. But there are African geniuses and geniuses in the African American community who’ll flunk the same Eurocentric IQ test. Yet they may be smarter than me, you and everyone on this board. That’s why IQ tests are worthless.

    By the way, how would you do on an Afrocentric IQ test? Would your low score constitute proof of your inherent stupidity?

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    If this data is true, then most likely because African born people who go to America are from the intellectual and cultural elite of their country. The average African goat herder probably will not move to Western countries.

    Still, even then, it is hard to believe that these blacks would have an average IQ of 115. I am still looking for contributors with high academic qualification (mine is a little rusty). Any student of Rushton come forward to reply based on profound knowledge of the literature?

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    There are several scholars who have refuted Rushton’s research. Richard Nisbett refuted Rushton on IQ studies supporting the genetic hypothesis for race differences in intelligence (including a refutation to the Trans-Racial Adoption study you are so fond of). Leonard Lieberman refuted Rushton on racial differences in cranial capacity and brain size. Joseph L. Graves refuted Rushton’s application of r/k selection theory used to explain evolutionary difference in human reproductive strategies (Rushton’s scientific theory for the cause of racial differences in intelligence and behavior). I recommend reading Richard Lewonton’s review of Rushton’s book Race, Evolution and Behavior. C Loring Brace and Ken Richardson also wrote great reviews of Arthur Jensen’s book The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability which are available on Psycoloquy. Eric Turkheimer’s study on Socioeconomic status modifying the heritability of IQ is a good read which provides evidence against a genetic cause for the Black-White IQ gap and James Flynn has conducted alot of reliable research which indicates that the Black-White IQ gap is shrinking as educational standards for Black American communities improve. To date no casual link has been discovered between intelligence, race and genes. The theory of genetically determined differences in intelligence between races is just that, a theory without alot of evidence that refutes it. I personally do not believe that racialist researchers like Rushton are credible scientists in search of the truth. They are agenda driven propagandists in search of scientific validation for their ideology. Their research is better known as Scientific Racism. I recommend reading The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould for details on the history of Scientific Racism and the biased research of its advocates past and present. In my experience people often believe things because they want to believe them irregardless of what the empirical evidence indicates.

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    It has nothing to do with intellectual and cultural elites. Actually, many of the intellectual and cultural elites stay home and don’t immigrate to America or Europe. The same happened in regards to European immigration to America. Most of the immigrants from Europe were the desperate and starving. The European elites stayed put.

    Besides, if as you postulate blacks are intellectually inferior then there shouldn’t be any “intellectual elites” that grossly outperform whites.

    By the way, “the average African goat herder” might flunk your Eurocentric IQ test even though he may be much smarter than you in terms of native and practical intelligence.

    First we all have to agree on how we measure intelligence. If using the Western standard, then the attainment levels that Africans achieve in the West demonstrate conclusively that Africans are more intelligent than whites. Remember, this is your own model we are using. The same model you tried to use to suggest that blacks were stupid. Well, using that model of yours black Africans in the United States are vastly smarter than white Americans.

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  26. Mark Calendar says:

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    This comment is for Oakely #17.
    I agree with that stuff you said about Nigerians outperforming their white counterparts at college’s in America. But with every observation there must be an equal if not more indepth examination. And it is the depth of this analysis that would either reveal the truth to you or prove what it is you think you saw at first.
    Oakley I take it you are Nigerian? If not at least it is known to us that you are black. Now please keep that in mind, for it will be called upon later.
    As I said I agree with you about the Nigerians doing way, way, way better than Caucasians and even Asians or Indians in America. In fact, the Nigerians I know get 4.0 as a gpa, it’s almost frightening the way they do it. But I am sorry to say that it does not prove a thing about Nigerians been smarter than Caucasians for the simple reason that these Nigerians you speak of……CAME TO AMERICA. THEY CAME TO AMERICA BECAUSE THEY ALREADY WERE EXTREMELY CLEVER IN WHAT EVERY SCHOOL THEY WERE BEFORE. I am saying they actually PASSED THE SAT TEST. Have you ever wondered why most of them are on some sort of academic scholarship and when they spend a little more time in the U.S. that scholarship becomes a full one? Oakley I’m saying these Nigerians, are a select few that actually had the intelligence to see an opportunity to come to America, to PASS the SAT test, not to lose sight of their goal, and ultimately do what it is that they inherently were born to do which is PASS TESTS, and follow orders, and memorize text books. That is what Nigerian schools do, they force their students to MEMORIZE texts. Now I’m not even saying all Nigerians can do this, I’m saying the ones that made it to America, did so because they are the select few that could. Trust me Oakley not all Nigerians are smart, infact the majority are ridiculosly dumb. Count how many Nigerians get high gpa’s at your college…..It’s only a handful, and the reason why it’s only a handful is because only a handful a that smart. It’s the same in any nation on the planet. Oakley the mistake you have made is assume that because the Nigerians in your college do well at school, you think all the Nigerians do. But the truth is that the reason they do well is because they are extreme cases, they are the handful of a nation of 140 million who are highly intelligent. Go to Mexico, or Senegal, or any developing country, you will find some super super intelligent motha fokkers there….but they aren’t enough to be called an average. Oakley the only thing you need to remember in this conversation is the reason most Nigerians are in that college in the first place is because he passed the requirements, he was even on a scholarship before he came in. Now there of course are the other groups of Nigerians, the rich ones, or the ones who got in with a visa lottery….Oakley we both know they perform averagely at school why? because they didn’t come in due to the academic prowess. A poor Nigerian whose family earns low income can’t just come to America like that, it has to be either through brightness in school, or someone is sponsoring them. The latter don’t do particularly well either.
    I have more to say but I will post this for now and come back later. But remember there is always an anomaly in a gene pool….we know Chinese aren’t particularly tall, in fact they are short, but trust me I’ve seen some Chinese teenage giants at my college, but that does not change the fact that on average they are very short. The same goes for Nigerians. They are not smart. Have you been to Nigeria……the land is in shambles. How can the average nigerian be as smart as a European and his country is in a mess. Oakley it doesn’t make sense. And I believe you did not see this because you may be Nigerian as well, I might be wrong. But i’ll be back later after I see the response to this.

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    ***There are several scholars who have refuted Rushton’s research. ***

    Egalitarian Jay,

    That’s actually incorrect. Richard Nisbett’s work has itself been heavily criticised for omitting the follow up results of the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study in his book. See Harvard researcher James J Lee’s critical review.

    Personality and Individual Differences
    Volume 48, Issue 2, January 2010, Pages 247-255

    Rushton & Jensen have themselves provided a very detailed rebuttal to Nisbett. I’d recommend it if you’re going to cite Nisbett.

    2010 The Open Psychology Journal, 3, 9-35.

    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/2010%20Review%20of%20Nisbett.pdf

    ***Eric Turkheimer’s study on Socioeconomic status modifying the heritability of IQ is a good read which provides evidence against a genetic cause for the Black-White IQ gap and James Flynn has conducted alot of reliable research which indicates that the Black-White IQ gap ***

    The problem is that the gap remains when you look at the highest socioeconomic groups. In fact, you may be aware of the statistic that black childre in households earning over $70k a year are outperformed by europeans in households earning $20k or less.

    Also, the evidence seems to suggest that any closing of gaps stalled from the early 90’s onward. With the least educated having more children it may even increase.

    ***They are agenda driven propagandists in search of scientific validation for their ideology. Their research is better known as Scientific Racism. I recommend reading The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould ***

    This is a ludicrous allegation, and particularly ironic that you cite Gould. Gould was made aware of various MRI studies showing a relationship between grey matter volume and measured cognitive ability. In his 1981 & 1996 editions of his book he ignored them, presumably because they contradicted his views. You realise he started ‘science for the people’, and was a marxist – why don’t you mention that if you’re going to talk ideology?

    Gould’s book also contains an embarrassing number of errors, from Morton’s skull collection (subsequent remeasurements showed Gould’s criticisms were wrong), his analysis of factor analysis and his comments about Goddard’s comments about immigrant groups.

    Someone as smart as Gould couldn’t have made so many omissions and errors unless he himself had an agenda to push, don’t you think?

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    @Holtz

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    The problem is that the gap remains when you look at the highest socioeconomic groups. In fact, you may be aware of the statistic that black childre in households earning over $70k a year are outperformed by europeans in households earning $20k or less.
    [Unquote]

    Speaking of outperforming:

    ***Immigrant Blacks Outperform Native Born Americans in Education***

    http://www.ivyhorsemen.com/2009/08/immigrant-blacks-outperform-native-born.html

    ***Black medical schools outperforming White counterparts, study finds***

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Health_amp_Fitness_11/article_7147.shtml

    And why are white boys doing so poorly in Britain compared to non-whites from similar economically deprived backgrounds?

    ***Underperformance of Poor White British Boys***

    http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2010/06/underperformance-of-poor-white-british.html

    Rushton’s a joke and anyone who cites him is nothing but a troll and, ironically, of low intelligence and low cognitive ability.

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    @John, all is statistics. Not all blacks are fast runners, not all Asians are hyper-intelligent. Statistical effects show up in large group averages, and at the extremes: no white 100 m dash world finalists, and no (or almost no?) black Nobel Prize winners in Math and Sciences.

    Mixed races are more complex regarding extreme values, but averages seem to simple average the mean of both races.

    Anyway, 71 black vs 1 white buy under 10 seconds in 100 meters, that begs for an explanation

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    Hey, this is a great homepage. In my opinion you are not right in every single aspect you mention, but it is important that there are people who think in a free way.

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    Holtz,

    What I think is that it’s very hard for scientists to be objective on research that has serious social and political implications. Racialists have their theories and criticisms of the research from Egalitarian scientists and vice versa. Regarding your specific claims. A criticism of Nisbett’s book doesn’t make my statement that Nisbett offered a point by point refutation to Rushton and Jensen incorrect.

    I have read Rushton and Jensen’s rebuttal to the book as has Nisbett. He said that they really didn’t offer anything new and I agree all they did was rehash old data. Nisbett also addressed the claim that Whites outperform Blacks at the same Socioecononic level or even below it by pointing out that Whites earn twice as much as Blacks at the same SES level meaning that while they may have the same salary they can afford better education for their kids.

    Lower income White families are also bussed to better schools so that doesn’t support the hereditarian theory. Nisbett also notes citing a study by Brooks-Gunn et al. that when you control for family and neighborhood quality the Black-White IQ gap is virtually eradicated. You talk about Gould’s book but I notice you had nothing to say about the work of Leonard Lieberman or Joseph L. Graves. Calling Gould a Marxist to discredit him is an ad hominem attack and isn’t even true to begin with.

    I’m working on getting a video debate between Graves and Rushton from the 90s onto Youtube. If I get a hold of the video and upload it I will post the link here. That way we can see with our own eyes how the actual scientists carry themselves in debate and how they defend their research. I can see how racialist research can be persuasive to some but it’s rather silly to equate arguments against it with stupidity as if the evidence in favor of racial differences in intelligence is overwhelming.

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    * I meant to say Whites have twice as much wealth as Blacks at the same SES level.

    The Brooks-Gunn study is significant because it shows that under certain controls the demographic groups in question show no disparity in IQ average. There’s also the fact that intervention programs can raise Black American IQ and research indicates that the IQ gap between Black and White Americans is shrinking gradually (see Flynn and Dickens 2006a and b).

    Rushton and Jensen disparately tried to refute this research but I found their claims to be unconvincing. They are also criticized for ignoring and misinterpreting data themselves. Perhaps the most relevant information on the subject are the evolutionary arguments because they explain how any physical difference between races exists at all. Graves picks Rushton apart on his application of r/k selection theory to human races. Lieberman refuted Rushton’s claim of racial hierarchies in brain size and cranial capacity. I strongly recommend reading the research from those scientists. Get a balanced perspective.

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    @Admin:

    I see racialists use the Black-White disparity in 100 meter dash argument all the time to note the absurdity of claiming that there are no racial differences. First of all fixating on this example displays a lack of understanding the actual scientific arguments against the theory of biological races. No reputable modern scientist that I know of has ever denied genetic variation across continental populations that result in the expression of different heritable traits. This is a fact that is observable.

    The claim that race is only skin deep really isn’t common either. There’s no controversy over whether or not genetic variation between continental groups can determine differences in athletic performance. The controversy is over alleged racial differences in mental ability and no just because one difference is factual it doesn’t mean the other is. The scientists who adhere to the “no biological race” position argue that while some genetic variation between continental populations certainly exists it doesn’t mean that that variation is racial. What they are arguing over is the definition of race and how human biological variation is structured.

    The classic anthropological definition of race is the one equated with zoological taxonomy which is that races are human populations that are composed of anatomically uniform individuals that are differentiated in the expression of heritable traits from other populations and because of common ancestry more biologically similar to one another than to any member of another race. The standard skepticism of this line of thinking is towards the idea that any given heritable trait that defines a race is unique to that race and that these traits are consistently correlated.

    This form of racial thinking is what lead 19th century anthropologists to propose the idea of racial essences believing that because races had a fundamental biological commonality and were physically different from other races they must therefore have several biological differences including in mental ability. Thinking of human variation in this way lead to the obsession with measuring skulls and administering mental tests to prove differences between races.

    The arguments against this definition of race are that for one actual human genetic variation doesn’t reflect the idea that continental populations have enough genetic distinctiveness to be classified as races or sub-species. What as demonstrated by Richard Lewontin and other scholars that >85% of genetic variation lies within continental groups while around 10-15% lie between them. This means that the boundaries between these populations are are fuzzy or do not exist as an individual from one group can be more genetically similar to another. It has also been found by analyzing Y-Chromosome and mtDNA research that genetic lineages are discordant meaning that there is no uniform line of descent for populations with the same anatomical trait complex. Some populations have genetic lineages in common with populations that are not anatomically similar to them and don’t share such lineages with populations that are similar to them.

    Also continental groups do not have the same level of genetic distinctiveness from one another as the genetic diversity of non-African populations are sub-sets of diversity in African populations. I recommend reading Keita et al. 2004, “Conceptualizing Human Variation” for more detail. Also read Graves 2009, ” Biological V. Social Definitions of Race: Implications for Modern Biomedical Research”. If you take the time to read you will have a better understanding of these scientific arguments.

    So my answer to you is that it is most likely that there is anatomical variation between some African populations and other populations that leads people of West African descent to excel at the 100 meter dash disproportionately. That doesn’t mean that fast running ability is consistently correlated with dark skin nor does it lend credibility to the taxonomic definition of race any more than variation in skin color, hair texture or craniofacial morphology does.

    The reason why there are fewer Black Nobel Prize winners in math and science are less obvious. For one thing these examples are hardly equivalent. The fastest sprinters are determined by competition while Nobel prize winners are decided by a committee. The idea that Blacks can’t think at least not on a great enough level to win a Nobel prize is not credible since there are plenty of successful Black mathematicians and scientists. It’s like saying that Blacks can’t act because there haven’t been a lot of Black Oscar winners for best actor/actress. Black people are a minority in 1st world countries where successful scholars usually come from and have historically been disenfranchised in the West so based on these facts we shouldn’t expect there to be many outstanding Black scholars. Blacks simply haven’t been afforded the same opportunities and the effects of Segregation are still felt in Black communities.

    I believe these socio-economic disparities have a cultural cause and can be improved with an improvement in environment.

    For someone like me I need concrete scientific proof that there are racial differences in mental ability. What is physically different about Black people that would lead to them having lower intelligence and a tendency towards criminality? Are their brains too small? Is there testosterone level too high? Did they take a wrong turn in Africa and simply evolve into inferior beings while Whites and Asians as evidence by their pristine heritage and amazing cultural achievement simply evolved into superior beings with higher intelligence and greater self control? I’m well aware that racialist scholars have gone in that direction but I don’t buy their results especially when there are refutations out there which I don’t believe the author of this page has even looked at.

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    Egalitarian Jay: You are asking the right questions. No the nest step is: read the literature I cite. Rushton, Lynn (see the other articles I wrote on “Race and Intelligence”). And don’t forget, these are taboo topics that get a researcher fired and cause grant denials, so most of the other researchers are heavily biased.

    There are evolutionary ultimate explanations, why you cannot live in a Siberian climate with the same happygo-lucky attitude you can get by with in Africa.

    If you are looking for physiological differences, Rushton has long studies about blacks having relatively smaller cranial capacity. More testosterone (that is enough to explain criminality). More fast twitch muscles and fighting capacity. Earlier menarche, more twin births. All consistent with Rushton’s hypothesis: Blacks have numerically more offspring with less parental care and planning. (see r-K differences in animals)

    I had intelligent black postgraduate professors teaching statistics. But it seems, these already are the extremes. If a white or Asian nobel prize winner is 7 standard deviations more intelligent then average, then this is 8.5 standard deviations above black average intelligence.

    Observe that Vietnamese war orphans and grandchildren of Chinese railroad workers do not require protection by affirmative action. They overcrowd elite Universities by merit. Superior intelligence enhanced by cultural environment created by superior intelligent relatives.

    Once you accept to question the dogma, once you don’t fire researchers for their inconvenient study results but foster true science, you can find true scientific results. This is what this site stands for. Let unimpeded research find the truth.

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    I have read the research of Rushton and Lynn. Rushton’s application of r/K selection theory to human populations was refuted by Joseph L Graves one of the world’s leading evolutionary biologists who exposed his lack of understanding the concept itself. I’m in contact with Graves and working on getting getting a debate between himself and Rushton onto Youtube so people can see for themselves how Rushton’s evolutionary theories hold up to an actual expert in the field. In the meantime I recommend reading Graves critique of Rushton’s evolutionary theories. Read “What a tangled web he weaves:
    Race, reproductive strategies and Rushton’s life history theory”. You can download it here:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4IHFPUHM

    Like I said before Leonard Lieberman refuted Rushton’s claims of racial hierarchies in brain size and cranial capacity. Graves has as well. I’m currently reading his book “The Emperor’s New Clothes: Biological Theories of Race at the Millennium” and all of these claims are addressed and debunked.

    Rushton’s claims of biological correlates with IQ, presuming a causal genetic link are actually some of his weaker arguments. He makes several errors in methodology and his conclusions have been shown to be demonstrably false. As a psychologist evolutionary theory and anthropometric research are outside of his field of expertise so it’s not surprising that he made so many errors but racialists still promote this research uncritically without looking at the science behind the claims.

    I can appreciate that people want to promote fringe theories that they believe are being suppressed by mainstream academia and media but this isn’t science it’s pseudoscience. The fact that scientists can be fired for advancing controversial theories lends no credibility to the theories themselves. Only established facts do. Rushton is the President of an organization (The Pioneer Fund) whose stated purpose with his financing of research (including research used by the Nazis and Segregationists) was to, “prove that Negroes were inferior”.

    These are hardly the objective scientists fighting politically correct dogma that you make them out to be. They are racist ideologues committed to advancing propaganda in order to influence social policy on race.

    Regarding your appeal to the Model Minority Myth of East Asians, most East Asian college graduates are not descended from impoverished Asian communities but rather recent immigrants to America who already had a decent amount of wealth and education upon immigrating to the United States. The same is true for African immigrants to the USA. There are still problems in Asian communities with advancement opportunities in the corporate world as well a unemployment in the current economic downturn so this idea of Asians being immune to the effects of White privilege is not credible.

    I’m all for letting research find the truth so I do hope that comments which challenge these racialist theories are allowed on the site.

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    * The Negro inferiority comment was made by the founder of the Pioneer Fund.

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    @Admin:

    Let me be a bit more specific about the refutations to Rushton’s evolutionary arguments and claims of racial hierarchies in brain size/cranial capacity. Now you mentioned Rushton’s application of r/K selection theory to the life histories of human populations. This is the most comprehensive attempt in modern history by the race-realist crowd to find a scientific explanation for racial differences in mental traits. Rushton’s theory is that races are adapted to different climates and as a consequence evolved different reproductive strategies to deal with the trials of life in their respective climates.

    According to Rushton, humans evolved from a common ancestor with the Great Apes in Africa (adhering to the Out of Africa model of human migration). Sub-Saharan African populations (“Negroids”) are said by Rushton to have adopted an r-strategy to deal with tropical climates. According to Rushton r-strategists like Africans have faster rates of maturation, higher rates of fertility and a greater prevalence of sex hormones leading to differences in birth rates, sexual behavior, social organization and altruism. K-Strategists are believed by Rushton to have evolved larger brains to deal with the complexities of surviving harsh winters in Northern climates leading to slower rates of maturation, lower fertility rates, lower prevalence of sex hormones a greater tendency towards caring for young and planning ahead by building shelter and storing food. Adopting this K-strategy lead Europeans and Asians to select for higher average intelligence.

    Here’s the problem. While C Loring Brace notes the absurdity of the proposition by pointing out that none of Rushton’s claims are based on realized reproduction figures (in fact there are 3 times as many Chinese in the world as Sub-Saharan Africans) Joseph L Graves points out the fallacy of Rushton’s whole theory by pointing out that he got the whole thing backwards. According to r/K selection theory organisms in tropical climates, which make for a more predictable environment, would be the K-strategists meaning we should expect all of these attributes attributed to Europeans and Asians to be present in Africans.

    As it is r/K selection theory isn’t considered by most modern evolutionary biologists to be applicable to mammals because they cannot predict which life history trade offs are favored by selection. Rushton’s theory of evolutionary racial differences relies on the r- and k- continuum even though according to modern biologists such as Alan Templeton it cannot be thought of as a continuum since it is impossible to specify a single phenotype that is optimal under one or the other. Therefore Graves concludes that Rushton relies on a theory that is invalid and is incorrectly applied by him in the first place. He also states that Rushton’s data sources used to support his theory are biased but I don’t have time to go into that.

    What matters is that Rushton’s application of r/k selection theory is invalid and not applicable to humans at all. His saving grace would appear to be claims of racial hierarchies in brain size/cranial capacity because after all if he can prove such racial differences exist he really doesn’t need a fancy evolutionary theory to explain how these differences came about right? Well here too he runs into problems which have been outlined in Leonard Lieberman’s article, “How Caucasoids got such big crania and why they shrank: From Morton to Rushton.”

    Lieberman starts off by deconstructing the race concept that Rushton adheres to posing the same arguments I’ve made in a previous post to make it clear that human biological variation is not structured in the way that Rushton believes it to be (basically an amalgamation of heritable traits that are consistently correlated and reflect a distinct evolutionary lineage). As there are no phylogenetic sub-species (“races”) to speak of Rushton’s data is not based on biological categories but rather folk taxonomies constructed from traditional racial concepts.

    Lieberman notes that there are no acceptable measures of the head size of all the diverse human populations to begin with and takes issue with Rushton’s use of aggregation which he claims to be invalid. According to Lieberman Rushton’s research lacks content validity. He claims correlations of brain size with intelligence to be as high as .50 to .60 when in reality applying his principle of aggregation to the 47 studies listed you would reach a correlation of about .24 which is statistically weak. He also does not acknowledge that empirical similarity has been established for the populations Rushton aggregates.

    Lieberman goes on to note that Rushton’s model of cranioracial variation contradicts evolutionary anthropology citing Beals, Smith, and
    Dodd (1984) who conclude that human crania vary by latitude and that a case for racial hierarchy cannot be made. Finally he notes that Rushton’s brain measurements do not utilize control variables utilized by Tobias. In 1970 Tobias conducted a study on the brain sizes of different racial groups listing a set of control variables that became acceptable for measuring brain weight at autopsy which included: sex, body size, age at death, early-life nutrition, early-life environment, source of sample, occupational group, cause of death, lapse of time after death, temperature after death, anatomical level of severance, presence or absence of cerebral spinal fluid, presence or absence of meninges, and presence or absence of blood vessels (Tobias’s conclusion was that there was no structural difference between the brains of Blacks and Whites that could be used to establish a racial distinction between them).

    In the same article Rushton did counter that he cited a study by Ho et al. (1980) which concluded that there were racial differences in brain size with an Asian>White>Black hierarchy established and that the study used all of the control variables mentioned by Tobias. Rushton left out the researchers statements in a future study that because there was no discernible racial difference in brain size between infants the differences they did discover in adults were likely caused by environment.

    I asked Graves about this myself and he noted that variations in cranial size/body ratio while they can determine differences in intelligence between species are not sufficient for determining which animals are more intelligent within a species. He went on to note that some of the greatest scientific minds in the world, people who donated their brains to science were discovered to have smaller than average brains while exhibiting complex neural structures which Graves notes in tests of rats can change dramatically by subjecting one group to environmental stimuli. It simply cannot be determined from the study of brains that one group of people is more intelligent than another whether you look at cranial measurements or MRI scans.

    The notion that bigger brains = more intelligent minds has not been established when you account for the fact that there are significant brain size differences between genders which can be attributed to the shorter stature of women as there are no major differences in average IQ score between genders. According to Schoenemann et al. 2000 brain size does not predict cognitive ability within families as nongenetic events play a significant role in brain volume and cognitive ability associations.

    So basically Rushton does not have a solid argument from an evolutionary perspective nor one based on anthropometric data for racial hierarchies in intelligence. What we are left with are IQ studies that test a genetic hypothesis which as I mentioned was addressed by psychologists such as Richard Nisbett and James Flynn who have provided substantial IQ research supporting the claim that Black American IQ is converging on White American IQ as their Socioeconomic status and educational standards improve, intervention programs such as Head Start can boost Black IQ and the most relevant studies that test for a genetic component to the Black-White IQ gap support the Nil Hypothesis.

    I suppose this debate is never going to end until the Black-White IQ gap in America disappears altogether proving that it was never immutable all along and destroying claims of a difference in intelligence between so-called races. Even then racists will still be racist. But so much for reputable scientific research being PC dogma, eh?

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    About East Asians. Even in the case of the ones who came from working class and poor families that went on to excel and crowd Universities you have to consider culture. Northeast Asian cultures were inspired by the philosophies of Confucius to study hard in order to succeed in life and this is reflected in the study habits of Asian-American students as well as the high education standards of countries like China, Korea and Japan.

    African-American communities do not have that cultural legacy of valuing education as a foundation. In fact in many urban areas Black students who focus on their education and practice good study habits are seeing as “acting White” by some of their peers as Whiteness is associated with a strong educational value. Tremendous psychological damage has been done to Black Americans by institutional racism that has damaged Black self-esteem and created negative social attitudes as a reaction to racist stereotypes. Although Asian-Americans has experienced racism it wasn’t at the same level as anti-Black racism and they have that cultural foundation which by the way isn’t unique. It can be seen in Ashkenazi Jews and African immigrants.

    Now here is something no racialist has been able to explain to me. If there is a racial basis to intelligence and a racial hierarchical order that sees East Asians at the top why are so many Southeast Asian countries poor? Why do Native American and Hispanic communities suffer from social pathologies and have lower average IQ than Whites if they are from the same Mongoloid racial stock as Northeast Asians? Noone has EVER given me a sensible answer and I have come to the conclusion that this is one of the most notable contradictions in the current racialist theory about the cause of IQ variation in continental populations. Rushton as far as I know provides no explanation in fact his research is focused on a 3 race model that does not include every human population out there and his placing of Orientals at the top of the hierarchy is only in reference to Northeast Asians.

    With his evolutionary model based on a discredited theory and his Life History variables based on misinterpretations of anthropometric data as well as dubious social science research Rushton’s racial theory fails when you further take into account this glaring contradiction in his own racial model.

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    I downloaded, and partially read your recommended literature.

    You doubted Rushtons qualifications. From my experience, anthropologists (like Graves) are not very highly qualified in exact sciences and better in ideology and story telling.

    In the article you cite, Joseph Graves goes off on all kinds of tangents. Maybe he is right that certain aspects in R-k selection theory in animals are divergent from Rushton’s racial analogies. That still does not invalidate the huge mass of research shown by Rushton, nor the quite consistent logic.

    The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America by Joseph L. Graves

    An author that writes a book with such a title already makes me doubt about his scientific qualification and about him having an agenda:

    Rushton has a free downloadable article debunking these myths. Any forensic specialist can tell you the race of a person from a single bone (that is far below the skin), and many blacks have suffered because they took wrong medication dosages, because the pharmaceutic industry did not dare to be offensive by differentiating medicine by race.

    Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?

    Also, always keep in mind that it is very risky to support Rushton’s positions. So research will tend to be biased.

    But scientific debate is good, and I wish I could invite Graves and Rushton to argue things out. Stephen Gould was debunked by Rushton.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V9F-3SWXY6J-1J&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F1997&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1543290086&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=114d3c5a27c23989c599f1b99303fc70&searchtype=a

    It seems that these people are not so much scientific, but biased by anthropological dogma.

    Here is an example of Rushton talking about scientific persecution.

    http://www.pioneerfund.org/ALR_pdf.pdf

  43. EgalitarianJay says:

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    There are alot of problems with your argument. First of all you are being dismissive of Graves authority as an evolutionary biologist (not an anthropologist). This is illogical. Graves is an expert on evolutionary theory and biology so he is more qualified to speak on this subject than Rushton. The article is very long but if you take the time to read you should realize that Graves does not go off on tangents he goes into detail on why r/K selection theory is inapplicable to humans (a consensus among evolutionary biologists), how Rushton got the theory backwards and why it appears that Rushton does not even understand life history theory in general. I’m not saying that Graves is right and Rushton is wrong because Graves is an expert and Rushton is not, I did give you a summary of the arguments Graves makes.

    The logic of Rushton’s theory of racial hierarchies is not consistent. I gave you a simply example with Native Americans and East Asians of how the theory of race determining IQ doesn’t work. IQ score averages don’t even remain consistent among the traditional race models that Rushton uses. It only appears to work if you select certain groups that fit the pattern and leave out others. Also if we’re are talking about the anthropometric data as I said, both Lieberman and Graves debunked it.

    You shouldn’t judge a book entirely by its title (and by your logic I should dismiss Rushton’s research as nothing more than the work of an agenda driven ideologue because he made a book titled Race, Evolution and Behavior). I don’t think you’ve taken the time to actually understand the arguments against biological races. I have provided a summary in an earlier post but I’ll repeat the general argument again. It isn’t that there is no genetic variation between human populations it’s the fact that human populations themselves do not meet the taxonomic criteria for classification as subspecies. That’s the basis for saying there are no races. Of course there are phenotypes which we can distinguish with are own eyes as well as with forensic analysis but those phenotypes do not reflect a distinct evolutionary lineage.

    Kittles and Long (2003) provide a summary of the reasons why racial classifications do not fit human genetic variation: (1) There are no agreed upon criteria for when to assign formal names to groups that might more appropriately be considered aggregates of local populations. (2) Race classifications fail for phenotypically intermediate populations. (3) They fail for individuals who trace their ancestry to two or more named races. (4) They are defied by sets of characters that show independent geographic trends. (5) It has been difficult to relate many human populations as distinct evolutionary lineages.

    As far as race and medicine is concerned Graves also wrote articles on race and its relevance to biomedical research. Because there is genetic variation between human populations and because there are heritable diseases and genetic predispositions to certain health risks there is need to study genetic variation and ascertain whether or not medication needs to be assigned to specific people based on ancestry. However this principle can be better described as gene-based medicine not race-based medicine because biological categories based on phenotype are invalid for humans.

    You can have a medication that works for some people but doesn’t work for other people who have a similar phenotype given the tremendous genetic variability within continental populations. So there may be a medication that percentage wise is more helpful to people of Irish descent than Germans even though according to traditional racial classifications those people are the same race. There may be medications that are more effective for Africans on average than for Europeans but that doesn’t validate racial categories. Genetic variation should be considered by medical professionals but there are cases where assigning medicine by race can be detrimental for patients. You also have to consider environmental factors that may be relevant to the health of demographic groups and geographic populations that don’t have a genetic basis. I’ll provide Graves articles on this subject for the benefit of you and other readers:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1X1KEXO5

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TCKGFSUR

    As for your last sentence I repeat again that controversy surrounding Rushton’s research doesn’t make it any more credible. I can argue just as easily that Rushton’s research is biased because it supports racists as you can that Graves is biased because his research favors the views of Egalitarians. We should look at the arguments and evidence of both.

  44. EgalitarianJay says:

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    Why are my posts on moderation all of a sudden?

    By the way I believe I did mention that Rushton and Graves have had a debate already. I contacted Graves who offered to send the video but he says he can’t find it.
    I’m trying to see if I can find another way to acquire it.

    I don’t think you’re going to be able to get either to debate on this forum itself. They are busy scientists but it would be good if we could get some of these video debates uploaded for the public. Graves responded to Rushton’s criticisms of Gould in his book The Emperor’s New Clothes: Biological Theories of Race at the Millennium which I am currently reading.

  45. EgalitarianJay says:

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    I recommend watching a documentary titled Race and Intelligence: Science’s Last Taboo. It features a journalist investigating theories about the cause of the Black-White IQ gap by interviewing several scholars. Among the interviewees are Richard Lynn, J Philippe Rushton, Richard Nisbett and James Flynn. I’ve uploaded it to Youtube under the name EgalitarianJay. Someone else has it uploaded on Dailymotion.

    The main point I want to make here is that there is such a thing as bias in scientific research. It’s been demonstrated by several scholars that much of the theories on racial differences in intelligence throughout history were pseudoscientific and conducted during eras where the objective of proving such a theory was to justify racist social policies.

    I do not believe that research like Rushton’s should be censored. It should be subjected to rigorous scientific critique which has been done. I am not a scientist myself however I do believe my reading level is high enough and my grasp of the Scientific method good enough to understand the research that has been put fourth by these scientists (I did get A’s in Biology, Psychology and Medical Science in college).

    The reason I am so skeptical of Rushton’s research is because he ignores evidence that undermines his position. His bias in favor of genetic determinism is obvious. The basic premise of his research is to find scientific justifications for racial stereotypes such as Black people being stupid and over-sexed.

    If you read the beginning of his book Race, Evolution and Behavior he provides a considerably biased interpretation of African history and his sources have been revealed as racist. When you hear him argue about the existence of different races he does not discuss social and biological definitions nor any sort of objective criteria but rather tries to prove empirically that there are biological differences between humans (something no reputable scientist challenges) then uses that evidence as proof that there are human races while choosing only to study the classical 3 race model (Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids) excluding several human populations in the process. In reality he is studying demographic groups and nations (not distinct biological entities) and calling them races.

    C Loring Brace describes the research in Rushton’s book as “Bad Biology and Inexcusable Anthropology”.

    I agree with that assessment. I’m not here to convince anyone of my position only to discuss the claims put forward.

  46. Ockechukwu says:

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    @ Admin

    If they were handing out awards for math and science akin to the modern day Nobel Prize during the time of Ancient Egypt or Ancient Rome, how many Northern European so-called barbarians would have received the award?

    If you answered “none” you would be correct. So none of your own ancestors and none of the ancestors of the overwhelming majority of Nobel winners would have been considered. Indeed the ancestors of the creators of the Nobel Prize wouldn’t have been considered. Were they stupid or intellectually and cognitively inferior?

    Intelligent and thoughtful people understand that human intelligence doesn’t work that way. Just because the Romans found the Britons and Germans in mud huts and, by our present Western standards, utterly and completely backwards and undeveloped, it doesn’t follow that those Romans were somehow genetically superior or that the Britons and Germans were genetically inferior.

    When blacks and whites compete on a level playing field where the cultural, historical and institutional advantages usually enjoyed by whites are not eliminated but somehow mitigated, it has been demonstrated over and over again that, indeed, blacks can out-perform whites. Even when white advantages have not been mitigated at all, some blacks have still out-performed whites.

  47. Ockechukwu says:

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    @ EgalitarianJay

    I agree with you that morphology may play a role in sporting performance. But as you’ve pointed out, the characteristics that would enable West Africans or their descendants to excel in certain sports are not unique to West Africans. Socio-economic factors and tendencies are much more determinative.

    The fact that there aren’t any black hockey players doesn’t mean that blacks don’t know how to skate. Similarly, how many whites seriously apply themselves from youth to the idea of being a world class sprinter? In the West, not many. But white sprinters from Eastern Europe do beat their black counterparts all the time. In fact in the 4×4 relay in the last Olympics, the all-white Russian women took the silver medal, beating several all-black teams. The only all-black team the Russians didn’t defeat was the United States, which took the gold.

    Some of the best basketball and some of the best basketball athletes come out of Eastern Europe. Same with boxing. In recent years Eastern Europeans have dominated the heavyweight boxing ranks.

    So we can prove conclusively, looking at an abundance of evidence, that the alleged differences in physical racial traits have a great deal less to do with athletic performance than will, dedication, training and practice — which in turn are typically determined by socio-economic circumstances.

    The white American guy knows he has a nice and safe route to a high paying career that doesn’t involve being pummeled physically or suffering concussive brain injuries. Potential Jack Dempseys and Rocky Marcianos are born every day, but they don’t go into boxing. The average lawyer or doctor or investment banker will earn vastly more over the course of his career than the average boxer. In fact studies have been done that demonstrate that that an MBA degree is more valuable than a career in professional sports, which is typically short lived.

  48. David says:

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    Anyone who thought about self-fulfilling prophecy????

    Just by the way… I mean, watch Youtube, most “black” topics –> problems (neutral videos only a few views), most “Asian” topics –> pride (neutral videos extreme many views) and everywhere you just hear stereotype-contents.
    Even if a black child is adopted by white parents who love it, there is still the neighbourhood and media. Not to mention the history class…

  49. AB says:

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    Although I like your website,I think this is a rather useless topic.Lynn has a Chinese wife and Rushton is funded by an organization that supports eugenics.So there could be a political bias in their results.Moreover,even if their results were true,they do nothing more than propagate a stereotype.Ultimately it’s the merit of the individual that counts.
    Moreover,there is no solid proof that IQ cannot be increased.Indeed some people significantly increase their IQs over time,even though most do not.

    And finally,geniuses have very little to do high IQ.Read the book “Genius Explained” by Michael J.A. Howe

  50. Bruce Demontigny says:

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    It sounds like you are producing troubles your self by trying to clear up this issue as opposed to looking at why
    their is a issue in the 1st location
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  51. InformedMan says:

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    Whites have always been considered generally more intelligent than all other races on earth as evidenced by their high achievement that span centuries. On the other hand, according to four recent independent university studies performed in different countries, it was scientifically and statistically proven that South Koreans had the highest average IQ of 106-107 (ranked 1st worldwide), while Jews had average IQ scores of 91 (ranked 33rd worldwide). What was interesting was that gentile Whites from Europe and America had average IQ’s that were slightly lower than that of South Korea’s people, but had significantly higher intelligence quotient scores than the Jews. What does this all mean? Who knows? But if South Korea’s rapid economic growth and technological advancement within only a few decades after the Korean War is any indication of it’s peoples intelligence, then one can say that research supports the contention that the smarter the race the more technologically advanced and economically prosperous the country will be even within a short span of time.

  52. Anonymous says:

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    “but lack of freedom of information, a more open culture, less state control of the individual, and so on.”

    Nope.

  53. kk says:

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    First, I am a black african living and studying in the US and trust me I have seen my share of dull people independent of race. Looking at the data objectively, it is a statisticians dream data to tear apart. The argument against discrimination isin’t the average. It is the generalization. Even if it were true that on the average, blacks were duller. Does this hold true in every case? No. Why should any one consider me dull just becase he has met dull black people or why should I consider you smart just because I have met smart pple. Let go of the average. If it is not true in every case then its of no use to anyone.

  54. admin says:

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    I think the data is very clear. People just argue about why these differences exist. Decades of head-start, affirmative action have not managed to close the gap. And Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese war fugitives, Koreans, all these don’t need any affirmative action to flourish and become privileged classes in the second and third generation.

    Sure, all is averages. But these averages are important when politicians claim discrimination when blacks are under-represented in elite colleges, and over-represented in jail. There are intelligent individuals in the black race, but less of them, and much less have extremely high genius level intelligence, needed to win science Nobel prizes.

  55. Ockechukwu says:

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    @admin:

    “And Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese war fugitives, Koreans, all these don’t need any affirmative action to flourish and become privileged classes in the second and third generation.”

    This statement clearly proves that you are utterly clueless and possibly unfit to participate in this discussion. Every Asian group you identified has taken advantage of Affirmative Action, more so than African Americans who fought for it. But no single group has benefited from Affirmative Action more than white women, and you as a white man are an indirect beneficiary, more so than blacks.

    “But these averages are important when politicians claim discrimination when blacks are under-represented in elite colleges, and over-represented in jail.”

    Blacks from Africa and their American born children are OVERREPRESENTED in elite colleges and UNDERREPRESENTED in jail. These are pure blacks without a hint of white DNA. That alone deconstructs your ridiculous assumptions about intelligence.

  56. Ockechukwu says:

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    @admin:

    “There are intelligent individuals in the black race, but less of them”

    Preposterous. I am increasingly of the opinion that you are simply too stupid to participate in this discussion. Ironic, isn’t it?

    “There are intelligent individuals in the black race, but less of them”

    You’re a layman, and not a very bright one either. Name one credible scientist who would concur with you that while there are intelligent blacks, there are less of them. Name just one. That is possibly the dumbest thing any poster has said on this board.

    Since you are questioning the intelligence of black people, I would expect you to be sharp and intelligent yourself. But you are not. You are possibly the dumbest individual posting on this thread — black, white or other wise.

    “and much less have extremely high genius level intelligence, needed to win science Nobel prizes.”

    Complete and utter nonsense. If blacks were not capable of so-called extremely high genius level, there wouldn’t be a single black person in those ranks, period. Nature cannot magically ordain that blacks will have less members of extremely high intellect. Just like whites or Asians, either an ethnic group is capable of extremely high genius level (according to the European standard) or they’re not. And all ethnic groups are capable of extremely high genius level, measured according to the European standard. The percentages of a given ethnic group at those high genius levels CANNOT be genetics based. That would be completely impossible. Again, nature cannot ordain that there are more geniuses among whites than among blacks. Blacks and whites are either capable of genius level intelligence or they’re not. Period.

    As to your reference once again of the Nobel Prize for science, you were asked up thread how many of your own Northern European ancestors would have won the Nobel Prize at the time of Ancient Egypt or even at the time of the great Chinese civilizations. You have studiously avoided that question along with many others. So let me answer for you: the answer is that none of your ancestors would’ve won a Nobel Prize during the time of Ancient Egypt or Ancient China or even Ancient Rome.

  57. admin says:

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    Ockechukwu :
    >The percentages of a given ethnic group at those high genius levels CANNOT be genetics based.

    The percentage of lactose intolerant people in one ethnic group cannot be genetically based.

    The percentage of sickle cell anemia sufferers in one race cannot be genetically based.

    The percentage of Olympic 100 m finalists and marathon run winners in one race cannot be genetically based

    The aggressiveness of attack dogs cannot be genetically based.

    The learning capacity and intelligence of German Shepard Dogs cannot be genetically determined.

    Ockechukwu :
    Nature cannot magically ordain that blacks will have less members of extremely high intellect.

    Nature cannot ordain that blacks will have darker skin.

    Nature cannot ordain that blacks have higher testosterone levels.

    Nature cannot ordain that blacks have earlier menarche.

    Ockechukwu :
    Name one credible scientist who would concur with you that while there are intelligent blacks, there are less of them.

    This is what this entire article is about. Philippe Rushton, Richard Lynn and hundreds that are cited in their works. It is totally uncontested that blacks everywhere score lower on IQ tests.

    Just that many politically correct scientists still try to defend the hypothesis that this is NOT genetically based.

    Read all my articles on race and iq:

    http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/racial-differences-intelligence

  58. EgalitarianJay says:

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    I would like to inform everyone involved in this discussion that I am about to receive a video of a debate between Rushton and Joseph L Graves along with two other scholars that occurred several years ago. I will upload it to Youtube the day that I obtain it. I’ve been informed that my DVD copy of this video has already been shipped to me so I should have it very soon.

  59. EgalitarianJay says:

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    I have successfully uploaded the first parts of the Graves-Rushton debate. The video is 11 parts in total. You can watch it on my Youtube channel by clinking my name.

  60. admin says:

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    In video 9, Rushton is extremely convincing and, sorry, Graves and others sound embarrassingly like fools. You could hear the spectators giggling about some of the contorted evasive answers.

    Race does not exist. Asked if they had 100 Chinese in a shower, 100 Kenyans in a shower, 100 Englishmen. Can they identify which is which? They still could somehow argue how they could not sort this out.

    EgalitarianJay, thank you very much for these videos. They are very informative. I will watch them all. From what I have seen so far, they make me much more certain in my conviction. If these arguments is all they can come up with, then there is no way to refute Rushton. I have a hard time how serious scientist can fudge and fumble like Rushton’s opponents and still be taken seriously.

    Asked about exactly our example Koreans or Africans adopted by white middle class parents, Graves had the balls to argue that they live in a different environment, because there is a societal expectation for blacks to underachieve.

    a) For someone who says “race does not exist” this is quite amazing. If they can not discern the different races, how can they discriminate?

    b) all these claims without scientific proof. Test your hypotheses scientifically, Dr. Graves.

    Is this just me who sees a University professor Rushton present clear research against a bunch of embarrassingly unscientific guys defending indefensible hypotheses?

  61. admin says:

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    Here is a playlist of the entire Rushton-Graves discussion about Race and IQ. Interesting summary of facing off the ideological opponents to Rushton’s theory. See all the videos in one piece here.

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DC0F78B62A560851

    Accidentally, one video got in there from another discussion. I left it in, because it actually contributes to the discussion and is a refreshing variation.

    Rushton mentioned the temperament differences that make racial peace and acceptance difficult. I focussed too much on IQ.

    He explained that demands of cold winter required special planning, a new strategy that was not required before leaving Africa. The worst winters were in Africa

    @EgalitarianJay, do you have the complete name and affiliation of the other participants? The Microbiologist contributed some interesting facts, though he fudged to interpret these facts to be contradicting J Philippe Rushton.

  62. EgalitarianJay says:

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    @Admin:

    The scholar who gave the presentation on race and human evolution is Todd Disotell a professor of Anthropology from New York University. I am interested in feedback on this video. It is interesting to hear the different perspectives on this issue.

    Now about your impressions of the discussion….

    First of all I got the impression that the audience was giggling at the visual imagery of the question (100s of men together in a shower). Disotell acknowledges phenotype and that obviously we can distinguish between people with different external anatomical characteristics. However he argues that these traits themselves do not belie distinct evolutionary lineages.
    Genetic variation between geographic populations does not reach a threshold that would warrant taxonomic classification as a sub-species. There is human biological variation it simply isn’t structured into phylogenetically distinct breeding populations but rather discordant clines across diverse populations.

    Now as far as Graves response to Rushton about the Transracial adoption study he did cite research which indicates that stereotype threat is a relevant factor so that sort of study does not meet his criteria for controlling for an environment where the cultural setting is equal.

    In video 9 I have to say that Graves arguments were far more compelling to me. He makes notable points about gene x environment interaction which Rushton doesn’t consider. His retort about different views on racial temperament was easy to understand and his slide about intrinsic rate of increase and IQ contradicts Rushton’s argument about intelligence and reproductive strategy being correlated.

    Graves goes on to refute the idea that there is evidence that European genes make Blacks smarter. Meanwhile Rushton can’t decide whether Native Americans belong to the Mongoloid race or a 4th race and can’t explain why Native Americans if they experienced the same selection pressures for higher intelligence in harsh winters as their Northeast Asian cousins have lower IQs than Whites (Lynn estimates Native American IQ average at 87). The Native American issue is clearly a conundrum for Rushton who admittedly omits them from study in his race research. Graves has the clear advantage on the subject as the IQ scores support his view that environment has profound effects on ethnic IQ disparities to the extent that genetic causation looks like an unlikely factor.

    Finally at the very end of the video in Part 11 Rushton appears to self-destruct when answering the last question which dealt with European barbarism and historical atrocities. According to Rushton the brutality of Whites towards their fellow man is simply an example of human nature and no race is more savage than another. No race is more savage yet races differ in temperament which leads to disparities in crime rates.

    So let me get this straight Dr. Rushton…when Whites produce a culture that tolerates horrific crimes against humanity it is simply human nature. But when individual Blacks commit violent crimes, though they make up a minority of the Black population it’s because they are Black.

    Is it any wonder that the crowd laughed at him for that blatant contradiction?

    I would have loved to hear Dr. Graves reply to that which he unfortunately wasn’t able to make. I think I will email him about that and post his reply here.

  63. Merlin says:

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    Ockechukwu:
    “You’re a layman, and not a very bright one either.”

    What of him being a layman? Scientific reasoning isn’t created by diplomas, although sometimes they confirm it.

    “Name one credible scientist who would concur with you that while there are intelligent blacks, there are less of them. Name just one.”

    Linda Gottfredson. Plus, pretty much all other honest scientists in the relevant fields. Actually, assuming you’re not just a troll, and not a very bright one at that, you’re a complete idiot. If there were just as many smart blacks, black-run countries wouldn’t so consistently be shitholes. For another thing, women are rapidly closing gaps even in ultra-elite universities such as CalTech, even with real sexist stereotyping being far more PC than even alleged “racism,” to the tune of 38% of CalTech now being women, as opposed to less than 2% being Black. There is not a single elite university in which Blacks are not vastly underrepresented, unless standards are ridiculously lowered.

    “That is possibly the dumbest thing any poster has said on this board.”

    What’s dumb about stating a fact without apology? Funny how those of you who are so skeptical about race and intelligence tend to be so quick to judge others as unintelligent. Except you don’t use an honest, fair, and scientific standard. Instead, we’re supposed to just take you at your word that everyone else is intellectually inferior to you, even though you repeatedly show that your word is worthless. Got it!

    “If blacks were not capable of so-called extremely high genius level, there wouldn’t be a single black person in those ranks, period.”

    What stupid and lazy fallacy. NOBODY said that there are no black geniuses, only that there are far fewer. As it happens, that is just as the HH – actually, evolution, period – would predict, and it is empirically true.

    Arab explorers back in the 700s already noticed that Blacks had never invented the wheel. I guess at some point the KLAN CONSPIRACY will get a hold of a time machine. You silly retard. Oh, btw, more Blacks get dismissed from Death Row in the IQ because Blacks are more likely to be mentally retarded, as determined by IQ tests. In attempting to discredit IQ and race, you’re doing your part in making it more likely that someday, more Blacks will fry. That’s so very “liberal minded” of you, self-righteous Pharisee. Congratulations.

    Plus, fools like you played a role in bringing about the South Africa of today, where a woman is more likely to be raped than ever learn to read. Preventing millions of rapes would have been “racist,” though.

    P.S. Your ridiculously irrational dogmatism isn’t science. Even if Rushton were way less than 1% as qualified as he is now, he’s more than six million times the scientist you are.

  64. Lailoken says:

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    ‘The scholar who gave the presentation on race and human evolution is Todd Disotell a professor of Anthropology from New York University.’

    He’s good at bs’ing. Notice how Rushton is much more plain-spoken and to-the-point. That’s because he’s got the truth on his side. No matter how many formal qualifications the Boasian Disotell enjoys, there remains the problematic fact that he’s wrong.

    ‘Genetic variation between geographic populations does not reach a threshold that would warrant taxonomic classification as a sub-species. ‘

    Uh, since the genetic distance is often as great as and greater than that found between many species as currently (and historically) classified, arguably it reaches a threshold that could credibly warrant taxonomic classification as separate *species*. For example, the genetic distance between the common chimpanzee and the bonobo is less than half the genetic distance between English and Bantu.

    [See Curnoe, D. & Tobias, P.V. (2006). Description, new reconstruction, comparative anatomy, and classification of the Sterkfontein Stw 53 cranium, with discussions about the taxonomy of other southern African early Homo remains. Journal of Human Evolution, 50:36-77.]

    Likewise, “[there] is less mtDNA difference between dogs, wolves, and coyotes than there is between the various ethnic groups of human beings…”

    [Coppinger, R. & Schneider, R. (1995). Evolution of working dogs. In J. Serpell (ed.), The Domestic Dog: Its Evolution, Behaviour and Interactions with People. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 21-47.]

    On a genetic level, the evidence is utterly against the ‘egalitarian’-extremist stance. This is also true on a morphological level, e.g.:

    “The differences in morphology (cranial and facial features) between human races are typically around ten times the corresponding differences between the sexes within a given race, larger even than the comparable differences taxonomists use to distinguish the two chimpanzee species from each other. To the best of our knowledge, human racial differences exceed those for any other non-domesticated species. One must look to the breeds of dogs to find a comparable degree of within-species differences in morphology.” (Sarich & Miele, 2004. Race: The Reality of Human Differences)

    Any honest dog lover and/or breeder can tell you that dog breeds vary enormously in their attributes, from intelligence to temperament. And this is with dog breeds being far more genetically similar than are races of people. Somehow, academics are not insisting that these differences are due to ‘stereotype threat’ or other such nonsense. Go figure.

    By the way, the notion that different species must be unable to interbreed and produce fertile offspring is a myth. E.g., jackal, coyote, wolf, and dog can all interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Among birds, so can the pintail and mallard. So can the two species of bonobo. So, too, can the two species of orangutan even though they have different numbers of chromosomes!

    You better find something beyond mere genetics to define and unify Mankind because otherwise, you’re in trouble.

  65. Lailoken says:

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    ‘So let me answer for you: the answer is that none of your ancestors would’ve won a Nobel Prize during the time of Ancient Egypt or Ancient China or even Ancient Rome.’

    Maybe or maybe not, but an examination of the historical, anthropological, and statistical records quickly shows that ancient Egyptians, ancient Chinese, and ancient Romans tended to be more innovative, inventive, and productive than are modern Black Africans. (Yes, statistical – even, say, ancient and medieval Europeans kept more reliable statistical records than do modern Blacks.)

    This also reminds me of how medieval England had a higher standard of living than do most modern Black African countries.

    http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/medieval_england_twice

    Granting a time machine, would medieval peasants probably tend to score considerably higher on culture-fair IQ tests than do most modern Black Africans? Probably so.

  66. Lailoken says:

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    ‘Is this just me who sees a University professor Rushton present clear research against a bunch of embarrassingly unscientific guys defending indefensible hypotheses?’

    You’re correct. Indeed, even a ‘simple’ small farmer can figure out that race exists. Race denial is kept going largely by taboos, shaming tactics, and fear.

  67. Lailoken says:

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    ‘Every Asian group you identified has taken advantage of Affirmative Action, more so than African Americans who fought for it. ‘

    This is false. Far more often, Asian Americans face de facto discrimination in these regards.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/asian_americans_and_affirmativ.html

    African Americans who fought for it? The high-level fighting has largely been by Jews, and it’s unlikely that they’ve had the best interests of African-Americans at heart.

    ‘But no single group has benefited from Affirmative Action more than white women, and you as a white man are an indirect beneficiary, more so than blacks.’

    Really? Funny you mention that – reminds me of how crude sex stereotyping with regard to intelligence is more politically correct than even the most rigorous scientific studies with regard to race and intelligence. You can turn on the TV and see someone like Bill Maher saying that women can’t do math. Far more qualified statements regarding race differences in intelligence can easily lead to a firestorm and a firing.

  68. Lailoken says:

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    ‘First, I am a black african living and studying in the US and trust me I have seen my share of dull people independent of race.’

    Of that I have no doubt, but this does not negate important facts with regard to averages. For example, since there are relatively so few South African Blacks with IQs over about 115, or about one SD over the White norm, modern industrial society largely cannot be maintained under the ANC. On the other hand, in Cote d’Ivoire the infrastructure has been much better maintained or the most part due to the heavy presence of French advisers.

    ‘Looking at the data objectively, it is a statisticians dream data to tear apart.’

    Compared to Whites or Orientals, very few Black Africans are cognitively capable of doing advanced statistics. Consider yourself blessed.

    The average IQ of black Africans is about 70. The average IQ of an occupational mathematician is about 140, or twice as high. Even on the low end mathematicians tend to be at least around 115-120.

    ‘Even if it were true that on the average, blacks were duller. Does this hold true in every case? No.’

    This is irrelevant. Een if it were true that on the average, men are better at most sports than women, does this hold true in every case? No, but men still tend to be better at most sports than women.

    ‘Why should any one consider me dull just becase he has met dull black people or why should I consider you smart just because I have met smart pple.’

    Did anyone actually say they consider you dull for these reasons?

    ‘Let go of the average. If it is not true in every case then its of no use to anyone.’

    No. It’s this kind of sloppy thinking which helped turn South Africa into a nightmarish place where most high schoolers can’t read but most women do get raped (real rape, none of this getting breathed on too hard like in Sweden) by the time they are 18. That includes the Black women.

  69. EgalitarianJay says:

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    “He’s good at bs’ing. Notice how Rushton is much more plain-spoken and to-the-point. That’s because he’s got the truth on his side. No matter how many formal qualifications the Boasian Disotell enjoys, there remains the problematic fact that he’s wrong.”

    This statement here is a logical fallacy known as style over substance. How the participants in the discussion present their arguments have no bearing on the validity of the claim. As it is I disagree with you. Disotell was articulate and straightforward with his presentation. He outlined the problems with racially classifying humans from an evolutionary perspective. Rushton on the other hand did not challenge any of Disotell’s assertions but rather conceded to the idea that there was variation within continental populations and made the argument that races could be identified by average differences that distinguish them (basically claiming races exist within a continuum). He then presented his theory on human evolution which synthesized the Out of Africa model of human migration and r/K selection. Ofcourse in Graves presentation he refuted Rushton’s application of r/K selection to human races by showing that r/K selection had been falsified by multiple experiments and that Rushton misapplied r/K selection altogether. Rushton did not provide a challenge to Graves arguments in the video presentation or in print when Graves published articles outlining in detail the same points he made in the video. I would argue that Rushton is wrong because his theory was discredited empirically.

    “Uh, since the genetic distance is often as great as and greater than that found between many species as currently (and historically) classified, arguably it reaches a threshold that could credibly warrant taxonomic classification as separate *species*. For example, the genetic distance between the common chimpanzee and the bonobo is less than half the genetic distance between English and Bantu.”

    Curiously your source for this claim doesn’t say anything about genetic distances between modern human populations. Where is your source for the genetic distance of Chimps and Bonobos vs. English and Bantu? As it stands one must question your criteria for racial classification. The argument of scholars such as Graves and Disotell is that human biological variation does not partition into races. The genetic diversity of human populations according to many biologists is said to not structure into subspecies because it is monotypic.

    “Most other large-bodied hominoids are unlike humans in that they have recognizable
    subspecies. Subspecies are defined as groups of phenotypically similar populations living in distinct geographic parts of the species range that differ in diagnostic morphological traits (Mayr 1970). In Africa, there are three
    subspecies of common chimpanzees: Pan troglodytes schweinfurthii (the eastern
    long-haired variety), P. troglodytes verus (western masked or pale-faced),
    and P. troglodytes troglodytes (central black-faced); and three commonly recognized
    gorilla subspecies: Gorilla gorilla gorilla (western lowland), G. gorilla
    beringei (mountain), and G. gorilla graueri (eastern lowland). Two
    orangutan subspecies inhabit Asia: Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus (Bornean),
    and P. pygmaeus abelii (Sumatran). Only the bonobo Pan paniscus and Homo
    sapiens are monotypic.

    […]

    Human genetic diversity is apportioned in a different manner to that observed
    in the other hominoid species (Figure 1). Given that humans do not
    have a subspecies structure, this is not unexpected. The human species pattern
    most resembles that in subspecies of other hominoids (Figure 1), and it is particularly
    like that of eastern common chimpanzees (Goldberg 1996, Goldberg
    & Ruvolo 1997b).

    [M. RuvoloGenetic (1997) Diversity in hominoid primates. Annual Review of Anthropology Vol. 26: 515-540]

    “On a genetic level, the evidence is utterly against the ‘egalitarian’-extremist stance. This is also true on a morphological level”

    What exactly is the Egalitarian extremist stance? The mainstream consensus of modern Biological Anthropologists and Geneticists is that human biological variation does not structure into races. Sarich’s argument is flawed because his claim is that morphological variation in humans is distinguishable enough to classify humans into races based on them when the argument of mainstream experts on human biology who reject biological race categories argue that the observable morphological variation that does exist doesn’t partition into phylogenetically distinct breeding populations. There is notable variation however human phenotypes do not denote evolutionary lineages.

    “Templeton (2002) defined biological races as either a distinct evolutionary lineage
    within a species (Shaffer and McKnight 1996) or as geographically circumscribed,
    genetically differentiated populations, coupled with a minimum threshold of genetic
    differentiation that be quantified with modern genetic techniques. The article then
    demonstrated that neither of these definitions hold within anatomically modern
    humans (Fst analysis violated the geographically circumscribed and genetically
    differentiated criterion and the unique evolutionary lineage claim is violated by the
    history of continuous gene flow between human populations). This picture of human
    evolution has been consistently supported over the last 10 years or so (Akey and
    others 2002; Tishkoff and Kidd 2004; Hinds and others 2005; Templeton 2007).
    Thus evolutionary biologists recognize that human genetic variation exists, that this
    variation is continuous along geographic distance, but that attempting to classify
    humans into biological races simply doesn’t follow (Graves 2005).”

    [Graves (2009) Biological V. Social Definitions of Race: Implications for Modern Biomedical Research The Review of Black Political Economy Volume 37, Number 1, 43-60]

    “Any honest dog lover and/or breeder can tell you that dog breeds vary enormously in their attributes, from intelligence to temperament. And this is with dog breeds being far more genetically similar than are races of people. Somehow, academics are not insisting that these differences are due to ‘stereotype threat’ or other such nonsense. Go figure.”

    Can you provide me a Top 10 list of the smartest dog breeds? I would like this list to be supported by an authoritative source which outlines their criteria for measuring dog intelligence and justification for this hierarchy. Humans were not selectively bred like dogs for traits such as size, obedience, problem solving and temperament. I have no doubt that under a strict eugenics program you could create a breeding population in which certain traits including behavioral traits are expressed at a high percentage. This could probably be done in humans. As it stands the observations of mainstream evolutionary anthropologists hold that there is no evidence of a selective pressure that would make some geographically distinct human populations on average more intelligent or behave differently than any other and that indeed all of the credible scientific evidence indicates a commonality in general mental traits that was established long ago in our evolutionary history before humans migrated to different continents.

    [C. Loring Brace. 1999. An anthropological perspective on "race" and intelligence: The non-clinal nature of human cognitive capabilities. Journal of Anthropological Research 55(2):245-264. Page 259]

    “You better find something beyond mere genetics to define and unify Mankind because otherwise, you’re in trouble.”

    The argument isn’t that we are all the same but that we are not so different that we can be ranked in innate ability based on superficial physical characteristics. The argument is that there is no correlation between external phenotype and the properties of the brain that control mental ability and personality. Environment has a profound effect on culture. Indeed humans themselves due to our ability to think creatively have tremendous power to control not only our surrounding habit but also the societies that we live in. The reality is that racial discrimination has had detrimental effects on communities which were the victims of intolerance and oppression. Rushton and like-minded scholars want to argue partial genetic causality for cultural trends between human populations in order to influence modern social policies at a time when modern governments are trying hard to repair the damage done by racial stratification. They are abusing science to support ideological agendas.

  70. Thaddeus G Blanchette says:

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    Don’t you think that a REAL skeptic would read as much as he could about this topic before making broad claims about it? The Bell Curve has serious problems and Rushton’s work has enormous methodological issues.

    At the veyr least, if you are a true skeptic, you should read some of Rushton’s main opponents. Read Stephen Gould, just for starters. It’s easy to be convinced when you only look at the scientific evidence for one side of a debate and rely on your media-fed prejudices to supply the other.

  71. admin says:

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    Rushton himself totally debunked Steven Gould and no evolutionary scientist would take him seriously. Nisbett and Flynn, yes, they at least meet him on scientific grounds. But Rushton debunks Nisbett pretty nicely, and has good answers to Flynn.

    But, even if we disagree a lot, I appreciate your comments that well elaborated and well founded. Keep going.

  72. Lailoken says:

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    ‘Hi. I love your site.’

    That makes at least two of us!

    ‘However, what holds the Chinese back considerably in their cultural and technological development today is not lack of intelligence, but lack of freedom of information, a more open culture, less state control of the individual, and so on. Chinese excel when they are raised in the West, but China itself doesn’t offer fertile ground for the intellect.’

    I try to keep an open mind on this issue – although I’ve run into many supposed ‘liberals’ who viciously attacked me for even acknowledging that IQ differences exist on the level of population groups.

    For the most part, it’s the ‘liberals’ – and even more, men of a certain pushy tribe who straddle the apex of the politically correct totem pole – who are so obsessed with intelligence.

    An honorable man wants to preserve his family, not because his sons are smarter than the next father’s. Having sharp children – particularly if they are moral – is cause for all the more celebration, but continuing the family line is good in itself. One’s ethny, and to some extent, one’s race, is the biocultural (e.g., [cultural] phenotype flows from genotype) logical extension of the nuclear family in the case of peoples with a European genetic heritage.

    As for the issue of Chinese IQ, as a European I’m part of a population group with an average IQ which would not place us on top after all, but consistently below Orientals. Then again, though, I don’t see it all in such a hierarchical manner. Everything doesn’t have to be a dog-eat-dog competition. Such a mentality is alien to me — but apparently not to self-loathing ‘liberals’ and ‘feminists’ who chastise the most chivalrous men the world has ever produced with parroted phrases such as ‘systemic objectification perpetuated within the heteronormative narrative of neo-colonialist white supremacist patriarchy’ yet then, after school, they’ll hop in bed with a Black thug who’ll beat them senseless.

    The White man’s capacity for chivalry is arguably his greatest strength and his greatest flaw. This is usually more obvious the further North the White man’s ancestors evolved. One problem is that chivalry is seen as a sign of weakness by those who seek to destroy us. To the extent that chivalry has been thrown out of balance, that’s true. Ladies should be treated like ladies, but we need to develop ways to effectively deal with women who want the perks but won’t even try to live up to the responsibilities.

    ‘Liberals’ seem to see everything as one big dog-eat-dog competition and project this view upon everyone else. Even IQ scores are supposed to be offensive enough to justify attacks on honest professors by ‘leftist’ thugs. Yet at the same time, ‘liberals’ claim to be all about equality. If ‘you’ claim to be all about equality yet you behave as if you are sure you’re superior to everyone else, that’s a free clue that you’re full of horsesh!t.

    As a race-aware man who is liberal in spirit, not just letter, I have no desire to go to war with the Chinese. Admittedly, as a Celto-Germanic gentile European, I much prefer our folkways to theirs. I’m sure most Chinese tend to prefer Chinese folkways, regardless of what they might otherwise claim. I’ve noticed that over here, Chinese tend to keep behaving like Chinese.

    I’ve been wanting to make a blog post on this topic; pardon any rambling in my comment. I suppose main point is that we need to be able to discuss these topics like men. Let’s not allow ourselves to be frightened into blind submission to taboos!

  73. EgalitarianJay says:

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    Actually Rushton is the one who generally isn’t taken seriously by Evolutionary Scientists. Gould’s book The Mismeasure of Man actually received many positive reviews from other experts on evolutionary biology as well as Psychologists. Rushton’s book Race, Evolution and Behavior in comparison received very little positive feedback from experts on evolution. In fact it received a lot of criticism. C. Loring Brace, a Biological Anthropologist at the University of Michigan, describes Rushton’s book as “Bad Biology” and “Inexcusable Anthropology.”

    In reading Rushton’s review of Gould’s book I notice a lot of ad hominem attacks and rather vicious language. His review is dissected into paragraphs that promote his own research as a rebuttal to Gould. Most of his work particularly on brain size and evolutionary selection has of course been debunked by other scholars.

    I think Nisbett and Flynn made very solid arguments in favor of their positions on Race and IQ. Rushton and Jensen pretty much reiterated alot of old claims in their point by point attempt at a rebuttal to Nisbett none of which is a compelling argument against the many points Nisbett made in his critique of them. They tried very hard to discredit Flynn and Dickens contention that the Black-White IQ gap has decreased over the years but the evidence for this is overwhelming. When you control for family and neighborhood quality along with standard Socio-Economic variables the Black-White IQ is virtually eliminated.

    As the educational environment for Blacks improves academic performance improves including on ability tests which show a correlation if .90 with IQ tests. Estimates show the Black-White IQ gap in the past 30 years has decreased from 15 points to about 7-10. That would indicate that environment has a profound effect and that the gap is not immutable as a genetic hypothesis would predict. We’ll find out in the next few decades how much the IQ gap can be reduced but as it stands the evidence against the theories of Rushton et al. is crushing.

  74. Ockechukwu says:

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    Merlin

    “What of him being a layman? Scientific reasoning isn’t created by diplomas, although sometimes they confirm it.”

    There’s nothing reasonable about the admin’s uninformed gibberish.

    “Linda Gottfredson. Plus, pretty much all other honest scientists in the relevant fields.”

    Where’s the proof? Provide persuasive evidence. Give me links. You’re a delusional racist liar. You think I’m going to take your word? Name one credible scientist that says that while blacks can be geniuses, they are less prone to genius level intelligence than other races. Name just one and provide proof.

    “Actually, assuming you’re not just a troll, and not a very bright one at that, you’re a complete idiot. If there were just as many smart blacks, black-run countries wouldn’t so consistently be shitholes.”

    A better question would be how do you explain the presence of shithole white countries historically and in the present day? If all it takes to have a successful country is white skin why are there dozens of black African and black Caribbean countries that are out-performing Eastern Europe (the whitest region on earth)? Mind you, I am adopting your definition of shithole vs. success.

    Going by the western standard of success…

    Black Africans as a whole are wealthier and live better than Indians as a whole.

    At least one dozen black African countries are doing better in terms of living standards and GDP per capita than all-white Eastern Europe. Black Caribbean nations are vastly out-performing Eastern Europe.

    Hundreds of millions of black Africans live better and have a higher standard of living than hundreds of millions of Chinese.

    Furthermore, why was all-white Ireland such a failed basketcase that nearly its entire population fled for the U.S. and elsewhere? By your idiotic reasoning, the Irish must’ve been imbeciles. But surely their white skin and “superior intellect” should’ve pulled them through.

    Ireland is just one example, there are dozens of examples of failed European states throughout history. How do you know where Africa will be 100 years from now? The Romans found your ancestors in rat-infested caves where they slept, defecated and butchered their animals. I guess your ancestors were just of low intelligence.

    “For another thing, women are rapidly closing gaps even in ultra-elite universities such as CalTech, even with real sexist stereotyping being far more PC than even alleged “racism,” to the tune of 38% of CalTech now being women, as opposed to less than 2% being Black. There is not a single elite university in which Blacks are not vastly underrepresented, unless standards are ridiculously lowered.”

    And yet 100% pure black Africans, their children and grandchildren are OVERREPRESENTED at elite American universities. In fact as a group African immigrants and their American born offspring are vastly more successful than whites in terms of educational and occupational achievement. I wonder why? Well, you’re dumb so let me break it down for you. While still subject to racism, Africans aren’t burdened by the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and multi-generational oppression. These are devastating impediments to success for traditional black Americans. Some overcome it, some do not.

    “What stupid and lazy fallacy. NOBODY said that there are no black geniuses, only that there are far fewer. As it happens, that is just as the HH – actually, evolution, period – would predict, and it is empirically true.”

    That’s not possibly, dummy. Provide evidence or STFU. I think you’re just trolling.

    “Arab explorers back in the 700s already noticed that Blacks had never invented the wheel. I guess at some point the KLAN CONSPIRACY will get a hold of a time machine. You silly retard. Oh, btw, more Blacks get dismissed from Death Row in the IQ because Blacks are more likely to be mentally retarded, as determined by IQ tests. In attempting to discredit IQ and race, you’re doing your part in making it more likely that someday, more Blacks will fry. That’s so very “liberal minded” of you, self-righteous Pharisee. Congratulations.”

    Yep, you’re a troll. A trolling keyboard nazi.

    I’ve pretty much demolished what little argument you had. I’ve never known a keyboard race warrior arguing on behalf of white supremacy who wasn’t himself, ironically, a retarded imbecile. It’s hilarious.

  75. Ockechukwu says:

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    “For example, since there are relatively so few South African Blacks with IQs over about 115″

    According to whom? Where’s the data? Who conducted this study? Provide a link.

    “or about one SD over the White norm,”

    The white norm was failure a few generations ago when Irish, Polish, Russians and even Jews routinely scored very low on standardized IQ tests. In fact these low IQ scores were used to keep away immigrants from those countries and even to deport those that were already in the U.S. How do you think we got Polish jokes? Because Poles were perceived to be imbeciles in light of their very low IQ scores.

    “modern industrial society largely cannot be maintained under the ANC.”

    Ridiculous gibberish. I’ve flown planes driven by black pilots, taking off and landing at airports with air traffic control staffed and maintained by black people. Throughout Africa blacks maintain what you describe as modern industrial societies.

    South Africa is doing better than a host of Eastern European countries in terms of GDP per capita and other quality of life indices. And they are improving daily. So you thought it was going to be a shangrila overnight, huh? Yet no white country undergoing similar titanic changes or revolution ever became functional overnight, but you racists expect blacks to snap their fingers and magically and immediately transform when whites in similar circumstances took decades to get their shit together.

    “On the other hand, in Cote d’Ivoire the infrastructure has been much better maintained or the most part due to the heavy presence of French advisers.”

    More nonsense. You have no proof that those French advisers are more intelligent than the Africans they’re advising. The correlations you’re trying to make are unfounded. The advisers could be complete nincompoops in comparison to some of the people they’re advising. And, no, don’t trot out your IQ scores either, which I’ve already delegitimized above. Do you know how many well-educated, supposedly high IQ whites get out-smarted and get their clocks cleaned in various business ventures with Africans?

    How do you want to measure intelligence? You want to favor someone who answers culturally biased questions correctly or one who demonstrates smarts on the street and in the real world? I’ll take native intelligence over scoring high on acculturation tests.

    “Compared to Whites or Orientals, very few Black Africans are cognitively capable of doing advanced statistics. Consider yourself blessed.”

    It’s all about acculturation, you imbecile. An African could identify a whole host of things that whites and orientals would be incapable of doing. But immerse those whites and Asians in the African culture and they would excel. Similarly, Africans and their children in the West excel at advanced statistics and every other academic discipline. In fact African immigrants and their American-born children GROSSLY out-perform whites scholastically.

    “This is irrelevant. Een if it were true that on the average, men are better at most sports than women, does this hold true in every case? No, but men still tend to be better at most sports than women.”

    Well, big strong men are better at certain sports than short small men. That doesn’t make them more intelligent. Terrible analogy. We’re talking about the human brain.

    “No. It’s this kind of sloppy thinking which helped turn South Africa into a nightmarish place where most high schoolers can’t read but most women do get raped (real rape, none of this getting breathed on too hard like in Sweden) by the time they are 18. That includes the Black women.”

    You mean the same South Africa where they recently held the World Cup? The eyes of the world was on it and the Armageddon you racists keep talking about certainly was nowhere to be seen. On the contrary, South Africa is remarkable for its progress since the fall of Apartheid. It is a model to be emulated by future generations of humans.

    Your laughable exaggerations about South Africa notwithstanding, last I checked crime and mafiasm are running rampant in Russia and Eastern Europe. But of course, you racists will make all kinds of excuses for white countries, you’ll say they’re coming off the heals of repressive communism and such dislocation and fragmentation are to be expected. But you won’t make the same allowances for black countries. You’re a pitiful joke.

    And look here, white Eastern European criminals are taking their show on the road. In Britain alone Eastern Europeans immigrants account for 1/10 of the crime:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-413985/Eastern-European-immigrants-carry-tenth-crime.html

    Is crime something peculiar to the European genome?

    Eastern Europeans definitely do not constitute 10% of British society, not even 1/10 of 1%. So you see, the numbers are stunning, and Britain is just one small example outside of crime-infested and dysfunctional Russia and Eastern Europe. It’s sort of like in this country with its white street criminals and gangsters terrorizing the population a few generations ago. I wonder if it’s something in the genes.

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    Would love to see mainstream press reports and respectable academic research reports confirming that pure bred blacks are overrepresented at American Elite Universities.

    And yet 100% pure black Africans, their children and grandchildren are OVERREPRESENTED at elite American universities. In fact as a group African immigrants and their American born offspring are vastly more successful than whites in terms of educational and occupational achievement. I wonder why? Well, you’re dumb so let me break it down for you. While still subject to racism, Africans aren’t burdened by the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and multi-generational oppression. These are devastating impediments to success for traditional black Americans. Some overcome it, some do not.

    Also where do you have confirmation that there are lots of blacks in Africa with IQ over 115. Or about the host of African countries faring better then Eastern Europe? But, again, we are talking about statistical differences, so exceptions are quite possible. Also you fail to explain how a Black American gets burdened by slavery of his grand grand grand father 150 years ago, while Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodians, Japanese are not burdened by having fled wars, being interned in WWII, having worked as railroad workers in near slavery conditions, etc.

  77. Open to Experience says:

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    ‘Although I like your website,I think this is a rather useless topic.Lynn has a Chinese wife and Rushton is funded by an organization that supports eugenics.’

    Is the second sentence supposed to somehow support the initial premise? It doesn’t. Lynn and Rushton could be Chinese Nazis – and gay Jews all at the same time! – but that would have no necessary bearing on whether or not their findings, theories, etc., are true.

    Similarly, if a mathematician says that 2 and 2 make 4 but turns out to be a Nazi, in no way does this invalidate the sum.

    ‘I am not a scientist myself however I do believe my reading level is high enough and my grasp of the Scientific method good enough to understand the research that has been put fourth by these scientists (I did get A’s in Biology, Psychology and Medical Science in college).’

    Have you considered a career in comedy? Talk of gay Jews aside, let me get this straight — Rushton — a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow and a professor of psychology at with holds two doctorates from the University of London (PhD and DSc) and a Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and of the American, British, and Canadian Psychological Associations — should, you say, not be taken seriously. On the other hand, you got A’s in Biology, Psychology and Medical Science in college so we should take your assessment of the professor very seriously!

    As if that is not silly enough, you repeatedly claim that evolutionary biologists do not take Rushton seriously, especially when it comes to his application of r/K selection theory to the human races. Yet E.O. Wilson, one of the co-founders of r/K selection theory, had this to say about Rushton:

    “I think Phil is an honest and capable researcher. The basic reasoning by Rushton is solid evolutionary reasoning; that is, it is logically sound. If he had seen some apparent geographic variation for a non-human species-a species of sparrow or sparrow hawk, for example-no one would have batted an eye.”

    The problem with most “critics” of hereditarians is that even before reviewing new data, findings, or theories, they were already 100% set on insisting that there are no significant race differences in intelligence, temperament, etc. Essentially, they had (at least outwardly) adopted a dogma that Slate writer William Saletan once referred to as “liberal creationism.”

    One problem with environmental explanations of race differences in intelligence, personality, achievement, etc., is that they are woefully inconsistent with most every line of evidence from most every disclipline, not to mention stereotypes which are remarkably — even if not absolutely — consistent across temporal, social, and cultural lines. As far back as the 8th century and before, Arab explorers and slave-owners found that Blacks tend to be not only less intelligent, but also more sexual, more rhythmic, poorer long-term planners, etc., etc. Some variation of “that’s just a stereotype!” is often used by race-deniers as if it is a refutation, yet as Satoshi Kanazawa, evolutionary psychologist at LSE, has pointed out, most stereotypes turn out to be empirically true.

    Another problem for your stance is that although people who defend it are often intelligent, they tend to resort to a few extremely stupid and usually fallacious arguments – when they even pretend to use arguments at all. If we are to believe Ocheck, he seriously rejects out of hand that there are proportionately more Black Africans than their White counterparts with IQs of 115 and over. Yet this is a plainly true empirical fact which is confirmed by ALL IQ tests in ANY predominantly Black African country. Even in Black populations in Western countries, where factors (likely including better nutrition and admixture with Whites) result in a higher average IQ for the Blacks relative to their counterparts in s-S Africa, rates of mental retardation are much higher among Blacks than Whites. The corrolary is that rates of relatively high IQ are much lower. This reality is even more true in s-S Africa.

    If Ock or anyone else here really cannot understand this basic fact of statistics, he should go learn basic statistics and, if successful, give debating these matters another shot. I find it difficult to believe that any of you could be anywhere near as stupid as so many of your “arguments,” though. Ockech can figure out how to use computers, use the Internet, comment on these blogs, form complete sentences, etc., yet probabilistic vs. absolute differences are utterly beyond his grasp? That is not plausible! What we likely have here is a matter of disingenuity (at least to himself, if not deliberately to others as well) — a matter of being mendacious rather than moronic.

    Amusingly, nearly no college-educated English speakers so unable to grasp probabilistic group differences would be able to comprehend many of the comments here, let alone the article. Even words such as “disingenuity” and “mendacity” would typically be able the normal reading level of someone dull enough to be inherently unable to grasp the basic statistical principle that a probabilistic differences need not imply any absolute differences at all.

    So just in case, Ockech: you ain’t stupid; you lyin’. >:)

  78. Open to Experience says:

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    Note: I accidentally posted two replies (actually probably should have been three, considering my tangents about Ockech) in one comment. In my above comment, the first quote is from AB, whereas the second (“I am not a scientist myself…”) is from EgalitarianJay. My apologies! I did not have access to an edit function or I would have used it.

  79. Open to Experience says:

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    Another correction. Here I meant to type “proportionately FEWER” rather than “proportionately MORE”:
    ‘If we are to believe Ocheck, he seriously rejects out of hand that there are proportionately more Black Africans than their White counterparts with IQs of 115 and over.’

    Back to AB —

    AB:
    “Ultimately it’s the merit of the individual that counts.”

    Consideration of individual merit and consideration of group differences are not mutually exclusive. Group differences are often very relevant to public policy with regard to large-scale populations. For example, South African Blacks, relative to Whites, have much lower average IQs, tend to be much more impulsive and less inhibited, and, to simplify, are much more likely to score high in psychopathy on personality tests. This has to do with real implications which are relevant to public policy, e.g., whereas forcible rape in apartheid South Africa was rare, South Africa is now the rape capital of the world. The rates of murder, aggravated assault, HIV/AIDS, illegitimacy, burglary, etc., etc., have also shot up drastically. The attitude of many so-called liberals is that mentioning this grim reality ‘out loud’ can easily be far worse than the grim reality itself. Yet if we do not 1) acknowledge that these problems exist and 2) scientifically and empirically investigate the possible causes of these problems, this actually makes the problems much more difficult to solve. So even if we ignore that science should be about seeking the truth, the case has hardly been made that repressing politically incorrect race research is likely to reduce levels of inequality. To the contrary, just the opposite is likely to be true. Every hereditarian scientist of whom I am aware acknowledges that IQ can be increased (good luck finding a hereditarian who rejects ANY role for environmental factors!), often by adjusting environmental variables such as nutrition. Yet often, even acknowledging race differences in IQ at all is highly taboo, which is an obstacle to devising and implementing practical solutions such as encouraging breastfeeding over bottlefeeding among mothers (IIRC, this can accrue a benefit of up to +10 IQ points for breastfed over bottlefed child – yet to acknowledge that Black children would especially benefit requires accepting empirical facts which are dogmatically dismissed as “racist” by all too many so-called egalitarians).

  80. EgalitarianJay says:

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    Here is a source on Black African Immigrants being overrepresented in Ivy League schools:

    http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/black-immigrants-overrepresented-at-ivy-league-schools/

    I already know the racialist counter to this. They are only the best and brightest Africans coming to Western Countries like the USA for better opportunity. The same could be said about recent East Asian immigrants and folk from India.

    I don’t t know what the other posters evidence is for some African countries being more successful than Eastern European countries. i will let him handle that one. However when it comes to criminality there are Black African countries with lower crime rates and White European countries especially Eastern European with high crime rates (I would include Russia as among the White countries that has a high crime rate).

    Rushton’s proclamations about crime are by no means universal.

  81. Ockechukwu says:

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    @admin:

    “Would love to see mainstream press reports and respectable academic research reports confirming that pure bred blacks are overrepresented at American Elite Universities.”

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F03E6DD1E39F937A15755C0A9629C8B63&pagewanted=all

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10080304

    http://gazette.jhu.edu/2009/08/17/immigrant-blacks-more-likely-to-attend-elite-colleges/

    http://www.ivyhorsemen.com/2009/08/immigrant-blacks-outperform-native-born.html

    “Also where do you have confirmation that there are lots of blacks in Africa with IQ over 115.”

    I am not a proponent of the efficacy of IQ testing. As I mentioned up thread, in the last century Russians, Jews, the Irish, Poles and other so-called ethnic whites routinely flunked IQ tests.

    The poster I responded to claimed that relatively few South African blacks scored over 115. I asked him to provide proof. You may provide such proof if you’d like. Although, there would be no tangible or quantifiable proof that someone who scores over 115 is more intelligent than someone who scores below that figure. Moreover, if members of a racial or ethnic group score over 115 it goes to demonstrate that many more are clearly capable of scoring 115 or higher given the right training, education or acculturation.

    “Or about the host of African countries faring better then Eastern Europe? But, again, we are talking about statistical differences, so exceptions are quite possible.”

    These are lists compiled by the World Bank, IMF and CIA. You’ll find that on each list several Eastern European and other countries do fall below black African countries. Equatorial Guinea ranks higher than many Western European countries.

    Here is further reading:

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/02/18/how-africa-is-becoming-the-new-asia.html

    “Also you fail to explain how a Black American gets burdened by slavery of his grand grand grand father 150 years ago, while Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodians, Japanese are not burdened by having fled wars, being interned in WWII, having worked as railroad workers in near slavery conditions, etc.”

    That you think 150 years is a long time is irrelevant. In fact it isn’t and as time passes future generations won’t even distinguish between our present day time and 150 years ago. It’ll all blend in and seem like the same period to them. When we look back two or three thousand years, we don’t nitpick about 200 years here or there.

    The fact the Africans and their American-born children are performing so well pretty much confirms and validates my thesis. That is, to the extent that traditional black Americans have under-achieved, sociological factors rather than inadequate intelligence have been determinative.

    Your hero Rushton has been called to task by geneticist Steve Jones and others as to why, if his white supremacist theories are correct, black Americans who sometimes have very significant European DNA contributions do not out-perform blacks who have no European admixture whatsoever. In fact in the United States the pure blacks are out-performing both traditional black Americans and white Americans. This is DIRECT EVIDENCE, not indirect evidence or fantasies, speculation, wishful thinking or racial animus driven conclusions.

    Watch and get educated:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb9iip_race-and-intelligence-5-7_school

  82. Ockechukwu says:

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    @admin:

    These are the lists pertaining to GDP per capita compiled by the World Bank, IMF and CIA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita.

    I unintentionally omitted it above.

  83. EgalitarianJay says:

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    The one counter argument to the Black African Immigrant performance point that I’ve seen is the claim that mostly the brightest among Black African immigrants are traveling to America and other Western countries. They come here seeking better opportunities and are typically smarter than the average citizen within their home countries.

    This argument has also been used to explain why there are so many successful Indians in the West when India is a 3rd World Country.

    The video that you linked to which I also have on my Youtube channel featuring Richard Nisbett arguing that IQ studies find no correlation between high Black IQ and degree of European ancestry is a claim I find most intriguing. This is indeed direct evidence and the most damning evidence you could have for Rushton’s genetic hypothesis.

    If the Admin wants to have that debate I recommend he make a new post to discuss that particular argument with a link to the video.

    Here is my link with the same content:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM6Ekv4L6h4

    Admin,

    You can find details about Nisbett’s research on this matter in this article:

    http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/nisbett-on-rushton-and-jensen.pdf

  84. Ockechukwu says:

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    Yes, I’ve come across this “best and brightest” argument as well. First of all, it’s not necessarily true. My heritage is Nigerian, and I can assure you that the smartest Nigerians don’t necessarily immigrate.

    A high level of intelligence isn’t necessarily the attribute the immigration process selects for. Persistence, determination, social contacts, helpful family members in the target country and even luck may be far more important.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that the upper classes often times resist immigrating because they can live better, less stressful lives in their home countries. They can have big homes, household staff, chauffeurs, and all the other accouterments of wealth. Whereas in the U.S., for example, they’d just be ordinary middle class people, with all the worries and stresses that entails.

    So it could be that the best and brightest don’t immigrate if they’re able to make their way in their native country. Similarly, it was the European “rabble” that tended to immigrate to the new world, while the best and brightest and well to do stayed put.

    Moreover, white supremacist ideology makes absolutely no allowance, for the presence anywhere, of an elite class of blacks capable of out-doing whites in any intellectual or scholastic field of endeavor. So they really can’t use that argument and remain faithful to the the core tenets of white supremacy — even if the assumption were true, which it isn’t, in my opinion.

    Lastly, the American-born children of African immigrants as a group perform even better than their parents. This pretty much debunks the notion that the performance of African immigrants is owed to an immigration system that selects for the smartest people. Obviously, American born people aren’t immigrants.

    This article talks about how the American-born kids of Nigerian immigrants are pushed to perform even better than their parents.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5791096.html

    Again, in light of my Nigerian background I can tell you that this is absolutely correct. In fact this article understates the fanaticism with which Nigerians regard education and achievement.

  85. EgalitarianJay says:

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    Those are very well-reasoned arguments. I’m interested in seeing how racialists would respond to that.

    Two things though:

    1. We’re discussing Rushton’s research not White Supremacist ideology. Rushton’s research while very attractive to White racists does allow for individual Blacks to be more intelligent than individual Whites. It even acknowledges average Asian superiority in intelligence so if an ethnic group like Nigerian immigrants outperformed Whites in their own country Rushton and his supporters would not have a problem with the idea that there could be a concentration of high IQ Blacks so long as they don’t represent the average Black. They are fixated on mean differences between races.

    2. American born descendants of African immigrants being as intelligent as their parents doesn’t refute the intelligent immigrant theory because they are descendants. Heritability is the degree to which a trait is inherited by your parents. So it can be argued that children of African immigrants inherited genes for high IQ from their parents who represented the brightest among their native people.

    I’m interested in sources for African immigrants outperforming their parents academically. That would strongly imply a cultural component to their success.

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  87. M.H. says:

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    I just finished reading “Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis”, Richard Lynn. I highly recommend it. If you’re interested in this book, may I also suggest you this article :
    http://analyseeconomique.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/race-differences-in-intelligence-an-evolutionary-analysis-richard-lynn/
    I particularly appreciated chapter 16 and 17. Don’t forget to check the link “velesova-sloboda”.

  88. EgalitarianJay says:

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    I just read the PDF file containing Lynn’s summary of the work in his book. His research is heavily dependent on the same discredited evolutionary theory of Rushton which is that non-African races evolved bigger brains in colder climates to deal with the challenges of survival during winters.

    It’s interesting to note that Lynn actually addresses Graves within the article. His arguments are very poor. He first takes a quote from Graves stating that race implies the existence of nontrivial underlying hereditary features shared by a group of people and not present in other groups. He then attempts to claim this is not true given that several non-African people do not have genes for “black” skin (providing no source) and that only East Asians, Arctic and some Native American people have epicanthic folds (not true Khoisan have epicanthic folds).

    He dismisses the argument by claiming that races don’t need to have unique traits. Variation in allele frequency according to Lynn is sufficient for identifying races. He points to the greater prevalence of sickle cell anemia in African populations than in European populations or the greater prevalence of cystic fibrosis in European populations as evidence of racial differences.

    As many Biological Anthropologists and Geneticists have noted though, differences in allele frequency between geographic populations does not make those populations races. Evolutionarily distinct breeding populations with unique, distinct, heritable traits are what constitutes a race. Graves addresses all of this in one of his articles:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A0T0KL8O

    I found it interesting that Lynn studied Native American IQs and concludes that genetics plays a role in their lower average IQs but at the same time claims that they evolved bigger brains when their ancestors lived in East Asia. He doesn’t explain why they don’t have comparable IQs to East Asians if that is the case.

    Lynn displays some dishonesty in the article when talking about American Physical Anthropologists having a majority view that there are Biological races citing research from Lieberman and Reynolds based on a survey in 1985. Those same authors noted that as late as 1999 most Biological Anthropologists rejected the existence of biological races.

    Lynn concludes that scientists who deny race do not understand basic principles within evolutionary biology or are being dishonest to adhere to political correctness. Possibly both.

    It appears to me that Lynn is the one who does not understand evolutionary biology and has an ideological agenda for advancing racialist theories.

  89. M.H. says:

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    EgalitarianJay,

    “He then attempts to claim this is not true given that several non-African people do not have genes for “black” skin (providing no source)”

    This is called selection pressure. Read chapter 16 and 17. And you should also read Chapter 14, Section 5, Genetic Determinants of Race Differences in Intelligence. The IQ of mixed-race is always intermediate between the two races. Coïncidence ? Maybe…

    See also, chapter 7, Out of Africa :
    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

    — Africa is warmer than the northern continents, but it is a less stable habitat. Droughts, storms, and diseases from viruses, bacteria, and parasites cause high death rates, even today. Without modern medical care, insuring survival in Africa means having many young (r-strategy). In the more stable environments of Europe and Asia, survival is insured from having fewer young, but caring for them very well (K-strategy).
    The environment of Eurasia produced physical differences between the races. Northern Europe’s cloudiness meant less sunshine. This decreased the intake of vitamin D, so lighter skin and hair were needed to let more sunlight get in. As a result, Europeans born with lighter skin and hair were healthier. They had more chance of having children who would survive and reproduce.
    East Asia was even colder than North Europe, but with less cloud cover and more sunlight. There a thicker layer of fat helped to insulate against the cold. This gives many Orientals a so-called “yellow” complexion because it reduces the visibility of red blood vessels close to the skin. Meanwhile in Africa melanin gives the skin a black color to protect it from the scorching rays of the sun.

    — Fossil records, archaeology, and genetic DNA studies of the living races support Charles Darwin’s insight that we evolved in Africa. Humans then spread to the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Australia, and then to the Americas. As humans left Africa, their bodies, brains and behavior changed. To deal with the colder winters and scarcer food supply of Europe and Northeast Asia, the Oriental and White races moved away from an r-strategy toward the K-strategy. This meant more parenting and social organization, which required a larger brain size and a higher IQ.

    “(not true Khoisan have epicanthic folds)”

    True. Khoisan people look curiously asian. I cannot provide you an explanation here, but this does not dismiss his argument : east-asian eyelid is due to Siberian conditions, and nothing more. And Khoisans are africans. Asians have short legs and flattened nose.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan

    — They have moderately long legs and longer abdominal muscles, traits that sharply distinguish them from surrounding Pygmy and Bantu populations having muscles with short bellies and long tendons (Coon 1965). In past ethnography, the Khoisan have been referred to as the Capoid race because they can be visually distinguished from the Congoid Africans of Bantu origin.[3]

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=2300

    — The point is that the Khoi-San (formerly known as Bushmen) are a different race than the Bantues (Niger-Congo ethnic group), as different from them as Bantues are from Ethiopians and other groups.

    The Khoi-San were the original group of most of the Southern part of Africa, before they were invaded by the Bantues in the famous Bantu expansion. Jared Diamond explain it quite well in his book “Gun, Germs and Steel”, in the chapter “How Africa become Black”. Because before being Black, Africa was Bushman and Pigmy.

    Even more, by the time the Boers colonized South Africa, the Bantues still hadn’t reached the Southern part of the continent, which was Bushmen territory.

    “I found it interesting that Lynn studied Native American IQs and concludes that genetics plays a role in their lower average IQs but at the same time claims that they evolved bigger brains when their ancestors lived in East Asia. He doesn’t explain why they don’t have comparable IQs to East Asians if that is the case.”

    Have you really read the book ?

    Chapter 12. Native Americans
    9. Genotypic Intelligence of Native Americans

    — First, only between 20 and 30 percent of Native Americans in South and Central America have nutritional deficiencies that could explain their low IQs. Second, the intelligence of Native Americans in the United States and Canada has shown no improvement relative to that of Europeans since the 1920s, despite great improvements in their living standards and environments. Third, the intelligence of Native American-European hybrids is related to the amount of European ancestry, shown in Section 5. Fourth, Hispanics are largely Native American-European hybrids, and their intelligence is intermediate between the two parent races. Fifth, a study by Cundick, Gottfredson, and Willson (1974) showed that 84 Native American children placed in white middle-class foster homes for a period of six years made no gains in intelligence. This shows that the various environmental advantages associated with being reared in a white middle class family have no beneficial effect on the intelligence of Native Americans and suggests that their IQ is to some degree genetically determined.

    Sometimes, brain size (in terms of ability) is not entirely reflected in IQ tests, because of evolutionary pressure :

    Chapter 17. The Evolution of Race Differences in Intelligence
    9. Arctic Peoples

    — The Arctic Peoples did, however, evolve a larger brain size, approximately the same as that of the East Asians, so it is curious that they do not have the same intelligence. A possible explanation for this is that the Arctic Peoples have evolved strong visual memory that would have been needed when they went out on long hunting expeditions and needed to remember landmarks in order to get home in largely featureless environments of snow and ice. An increase of this ability would have required an increase in brain size but is not measured in intelligence tests.

    P.S. I download it. I will read the document later.

  90. EgalitarianJay says:

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    As far as Rushton’s evolutionary theory is concerned I recommend reading this article:

    http://mathsci.free.fr/graves.pdf

    J.P. Rushton’s view of human evolution suffers from the use of antiquated and simplistic
    theoretical models concerning life history evolution. In addition, his methods of data
    analysis, results, and data sources call into question the legitimacy of his research. In the
    unabridged version of his book, he claims ‘to have reviewed the international literature
    on race differences, gathered novel data and found a distinct pattern’ (Rushton, 1995:
    xiii). This is fallacious on many accounts. Although the scope of the literature is
    international, to an extent, the data are not novel and the pattern he ‘found’ is hardly
    distinct from common racist stereotypes. He has only spun a tangled web of disingenuous
    construction speculations, in which:

    1 He failed to grasp the history and formulation of density dependent selection theory.
    2 He failed to review the critical experiments that falsified the central predictions of
    r- and K-selection theory.
    3 He incorrectly applied r- and K-theory to explain human life history evolution.
    4 He has presented data that are woefully inadequate to test any specific hypothesis
    concerning the evolution of human life histories.

  91. Ockechukwu says:

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    @Open to Experience:

    Black Americans do not exhibit higher IQ’s than Africans and their offspring residing in the West. In fact the most successful blacks in the United States, Canada and Europe are 100% black Africans. Furthermore, as a group 100% black Africans are vastly more successful than whites in terms of academic and occupational attainment. So not only has European admixture not had the salutary impact on IQ scores which you attribute to it, even 100% European genetics does not confer higher intelligence vis-a-vis 100% black Africans like me.

    You see, the argument that Europeans are somehow genetically superior is so easily debunked that I don’t know how an intelligent and rational person would propose it and subject himself to ridicule. For example, can you isolate the particular genes that make Europeans more intelligent? No, you can’t. Moreover, there’s no function that a European can perform that a black person, for example, cannot adapt and also perform. So what are you left with? How do you prove European superiority in real, tangible and empirical terms? I personally have known innumerable people of European descent who weren’t up to my intellectual or cognitive level. So how do you think the notion that I am inferior to these people resonates with me? It’s laughable, that’s what it is. Your trick only works on people who are unexposed.

    Speaking of IQ statistics, how do you explain the fact that ethnically homogeneous Catholics and Protestants in Ireland are 15 points apart in terms of their IQ scores (with the latter scoring higher)? How do you explain the fact that there was a time in the U.S. when black Northerners scored higher than white Southerners? Why did Russians, Poles, Irish and Jews score so low on IQ tests that that provided impetus for the restrictive Immigration Act of 1924?

    You see, statistics of the sort racialists like you rely on are also easily debunked without even much effort. Maybe you just don’t have a plausible argument. Have you considered that?

  92. Ockechukwu says:

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    *******The more north the people went “Out of Africa,” the harder it was to get food, gain shelter, make clothes, and raise children. So the groups that evolved into today’s Whites and Orientals needed larger brains, more family stability, and a longer life. But building a bigger brain takes time and energy during a person’s development. So, these changes were balanced by slower rates of growth, lower levels of sex hormones, less aggression, and less sexual activity.

    Why? Because Africa, Europe, and Asia had very different climates and geographies that called for different skills, resource usage, and lifestyles. Blacks evolved in a tropical climate which contrasted with the cooler one of Europe in which Whites evolved and even more so with the cold Arctic lands where Orientals evolved.*******

    This is the most asinine thing I’ve ever read. Civilization radiated from South to North (i.e., from warm to cold). If it weren’t for the Southerners, Northern Europeans might still be in their caves and mud huts.

    The Ancient Egyptians certainly weren’t a cold weather people. Even the Meso-Americans built magnificent civilizations while Northern Europeans were essentially savage barbarians. Therefore the notion that cold weather instigated human development and greater cognitive abilities is farcical in the extreme.

    And I assure you that blacks do not have smaller brains than whites. You can cite all the scientific racism you want. There is simply no credible evidence to support that thesis.

  93. Chris du Plessis says:

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    Its easy to see the difference in intelligence between Africans and other races.
    Just come live hear in South Africa a few months and experience it. You dont need a science degree. Even the African hear prefer European-African settler professionals than African ones.
    that is one of the reasons that South Africa was able to become a ‘Democracy’ and have the strongest economy in Africa. We also pulled-off two Rugby World Cup events and one of the most successful Soccer World Cup events. All because the whites are still in control of the economy.

  94. Ockechukwu says:

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    So why have certain white nations been failures historically and even in the present day? You can’t attribute decent governance and the success of nations to intelligence and then gloss over examples where white-run nations have not been well-governed or successful.

    Speaking of Africa, several black Africans countries rank ahead of several Eastern European countries by whatever metric you opt to use to measure quality of life. Black Caribbean countries rank ahead of even some Western European countries.

    I would have no problem accepting racial differences in intelligence were it to be empirically certain and true. But the arguments people like you make in support of that thesis are much too easy to shoot down. In fact I’d say that the preponderance of evidence weighs heavily against European intellectual or cognitive superiority.

    Just because there are blacks living in shantytowns in South Africa doesn’t preclude the presence of geniuses there. And the white man sitting in some high rise office in Johannesburg could be an imbecile relative to many of the blacks in that shantytown. Human intelligence simply doesn’t work the way you racialists think it does. If intelligence was the key controlling factor empires wouldn’t rise and fall. How do Britons go from living in mud huts and being colonized by Rome to eventually becoming a world power with a far-flung empire? Did they somehow become more intelligent? Of course not. It was done through acculturation, assimilation and adaptation, which every single human being is capable of, regardless of race or color.

  95. Ockechukwu says:

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    ******But building a bigger brain takes time and energy during a person’s development. So, these changes were balanced by slower rates of growth, lower levels of sex hormones, less aggression, and less sexual activity.*******

    Lower levels of sex hormones? Less aggression? This is a joke, right? Do you honestly believe that whites are less aggressive than blacks? Does the word HISTORY mean anything to you? I think it’s safe to say that whites have been infinitely more aggressive than blacks. I mean whole regions have been laid to waste, cultures destroyed, tens of millions killed or destroyed, including other whites.

    Lower levels of sex among whites as compared to blacks? Another joke, right? Africans are decidedly conservative with regard to sexual matters. They are universally aghast at the loose sexual mores of white Europeans, particularly the females. For example, no African family in the U.S. would tolerate the kind of sluttyness that many young white girls engage in. It will never happen. In fact African girls would not even contemplate that kind of conduct.

    And, again, who is perpetuating this nonsense that Europeans, who typically have smaller and narrower heads than Africans, somehow have larger brains? That’s another joke, right?

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    Lower levels of sex hormones can be measured. Rushton has the data. Do you have data to the contrary? Or just your unscientific knee jerk reaction? This is pretty easy to measure. Levels of agression? Anywhere in the world, go to black neighborhoods, or to white or Asian neighborhoods. This is why busing white kids to high crime violent black schools is a true crime. Again, check the data in Lynn’s publications.

    Finally you keep comparing highly disciplined violent armies, like Hitler’s, or Stalin’s, with marauding gangs in Rwanda, Haiti, or US inner cities. It is the undisciplined attitude, not the final death count. Your examples don’t even serve for anecdotal evidence. Certainly not for disproving hard data as amassed by Lynn and Rushton. You find logic to confirm your already formed opinion. You can believe me, I was educated to have the same opinions you have. It took me lots of studies to convince me of the contrary.

  97. Ockechukwu says:

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    Yes, i’d like to see the so-called data on sex hormones. What is true is that black Africans are sexually conservative while white Europeans are not. Again, Africans find European sexual mores abominable. And no single demographic is as sexually promiscuous as young white girls. In fact, even older white women are travelling to Africa for sex: http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/26/us-sextourism-idUSN2638979720071126

    Regarding aggression, what exactly is the difference between marauding gangs and disciplined gangs? And by the way, the gangs in Rwanda were just as disciplined and organized as the gangs in Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Russia. But even if they weren’t, so what? You think that mass, organized violence of the sort Europeans have practiced is somehow less indicative of aggressive tendencies? You’ll probably be the only one holding that opinion. If you could interview the tens of millions of people victimized by European aggression I don’t think they’ll make those fine distinctions.

  98. Ockechukwu says:

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    Also, if you are suggesting that blacks are somehow more inclined toward criminality, you’re wrong there as you are about everything else. If you mean street crime, that tracks with socio-economic status, not with race. Middle class and affluent black communities are no more crime-ridden than their white counterparts. Moreover, there are black African countries with vastly less crime than parts of Europe or the United States. So, again, you are engaged in wishful thinking and pseudo-science much like your heroes Lynn and Rushton, both of whom have been roundly debunked and discredited by credible, astute and authoritative individuals who have a lot more than some Internet blog on their resumes. Sorry, you are not credible and you have no authority. Even on this thread every assumption you hold has been deconstructed and debunked by me and a couple of others. Yet at no time have you owned up to being wrong.

    Let’s stick to reality. None of us live in your dream world where there are no white criminals. Tell that to the parents of the next white child who gets abducted, raped, tortured and mutilated by a white man. And statistics show, by the way, that white men are most predisposed toward those kinds of crimes against children, along with serial killings.

    Or shall we talk about white color crimes? Afterall, crime is crime. In fact white color crime is much more devastating to society than petty street crime. Certainly white people are represented among the ranks of white collar criminals at a level at least proportional to their numbers in society.

    Let’s go back 50-60 years. What race comprised most of the petty thugs, thieves, stick-up men, robbers, burglers, gangsters, muggers, hoodlums, etc.? Well, back then those street criminals were largely white. What changed wasn’t genetics but socio-economic status. Nowadays white criminals are generally found in the white color ranks, although the vast majority of bank robbers remain white for whatever reason.

    And getting back to levels of aggression, in the last century white people in this country rioted, burned, terrorized, murdered innocent black men, women and children and destroyed entire black neighborhoods over such things as false rape accusations or even because a white man lost a boxing match to a black man. How’s that for levels of aggression?

  99. Ockechukwu says:

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    Typo: white color = white collar. No pun intended.

  100. Frank says:

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    PEEKACHU: Also, if you are suggesting that blacks are somehow more inclined toward criminality, you’re wrong there as you are about everything else. If you mean street crime, that tracks with socio-economic status, not with race. Middle class and affluent black communities are no more crime-ridden than their white counterparts.

    FRANK: Statistically if the black population of the United vanished the violent crime rate would be decreased approximately by 1 half. Many of the crimes that would have little to do with the need for survival illustrate high black arrest rates per capita population.

    You want to talk about White collar crimes but if we look at government statistics crimes like fraud, embezzlement, theft and forgery we still see that blacks are highly overrepresented as arrestees while Whites are underrepresented on a per capita basis. Even gambling related crimes are overwhelmingly committed by African Americans. African-Americans make up 13% of the population yet they account for approximately 30%+ of all arrests in these categories.

    We can see the same pattern with hate crimes and even serial killing statistics along with crimes like forcible rape.

    It is all here for you to see…

    http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

  101. Frank says:

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    This will be my last post on this blog. I wish to thank the administrator for allowing me to post on this blog.

    Thank you

    Frank

  102. Ockechukwu says:

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    **********FRANK: Statistically if the black population of the United vanished the violent crime rate would be decreased approximately by 1 half. Many of the crimes that would have little to do with the need for survival illustrate high black arrest rates per capita population.**********

    Not likely. Daily headlines are full of violent crimes committed by white criminals. And, of course, all the violent criminals in Russia and Eastern Europe are white. In fact they’re exporting their criminality to other parts of the world.

    In regards to white collar crimes, I’m glad you had enough sense to distinguish between those who are arrested and those who get off scott free. How long did it take them to finally catch Madoff? How long do you think a black man pulling those kinds of scams would’ve lasted? Certainly no where as long as Madoff.

    So most white collar crimes aren’t even prosecuted. How many people went to prison in the various lootings of our banking system or Wall Street? How about the savings and loan thefts? Tax cheats with billions overseas. Crooked defense contractors stealing billions. Do they face prosecution? In most cases they don’t even get investigated.

    It’s kind of like the way store security employees watch black people like hawks while white women steal them blind. Can we really trust shoplifting arrest statistics then? They certainly don’t give us an accurate picture of what’s really going on.

    According to this New York Times article, blacks and Latinos are 9 times more likely than whites to be stopped and frisked by cops.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13frisk.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1274733596-fyhDi57CuvtBqmoAuGpDIA

    But once blacks and Latinos are stopped, they’re no more likely than whites to be arrested. But the fact that vastly more are being stopped means vastly more will be arrested and vastly more will go to prison, and all of this will be reflected in crime statistics. In other words, white criminals who otherwise would’ve been arrested and prosecuted aren’t being stopped by the cops.

    Regarding hate crimes, I don’t know what you’re trying to say there. If you’re trying to suggest that blacks commit more hate crimes you’re wrong.

    On forcible rate, let me remind you that there is an epidemic of white-on-white date rape on college campuses. Date rape is forcible rape. Rape, by the way, is a largely unreported crime. What’s more, while of course black men commit rapes, we also have a history in this country of black men being railroaded on false rape charges, while many white men have gotten away with rape. Often times it all depends on who can afford better lawyers. If you’re relying on a public defender in a rape case you’re probably screwed, even if you’re innocent. In any event, if you think black men are committing more rape per capita than white men, I’d say you’re nuts.

  103. Realist says:

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    Why all these lenghty discussions? Name one thing that has ever been invented in Sub-Saharan Africa. Enough said!

  104. james says:

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    lol i can’t believe anyone would believe this bullshit, i know a lot of dumb white people that are lesser intelligent than blacks

  105. Michael says:

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    Get a proper education. The ancient Britons didn’t live in mud huts. Archaeological finds have proven for at least seven thousand years before the Romans came to Britain, my ancestors lived in a society totally isolated from Europe. They were advanced both in agriculture and industry.They lived in sophisticated wood structures with megalithic stone floors. They also built complicated stone circle structures like Stonehenge. For some reason the liberals who control our children’s education, start our history from the Roman invasion.

  106. Raceis a myth - Stormfront says:

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    [...] suppose you believe Jarred Diamond is also a serious writer… and Bruce Baigent… Oh and here… have a read… smack… disproved Yet another Steven Rose-ian idiot with a political opinion about science. [...]

  107. Hudson Firesys says:

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    This point of saying that race does not exist is something stupid and baseless, it’s just a social thing, an attempt to erase the face of miscegenation in America(Continent) countries.

    Race is something possible to distinguish by the most ignorant person when it comes to science,all animals have a racial differentiation, it is stupid to say that the human is not the case, is something desperate.Most likely to say is that the human admixed (or multi-racial) is not a specific breed, a code of racial identity.

    Race influences but the issue of intelligence, the history of mankind can already test it very well,the evolution of civilizations and other factors prove that there is a”maximum”intelligence that only a few humans can achieve.Race is not just skin deep, is the union of several physical features among others acquired through a process of evolution or adaptation.

  108. Unamusement Park » Blog Archive » Hatred III: the Hispanic panic says:

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    [...] pretty convincing stuff, but because these findings aren’t flattering to black people, Rushton has been called [...]

  109. Gary says:

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    People talk about averages all the time. Lets look at nobel prize winners. China, with 1 billion people, has won only 5, Japan with 160 million, only 17. Israel with 5 million people, 8 winners.
    Germany over 160, United States, over 300.

    So those people who have received acknowledgement of their work as being an advancement to mankind, are overwhelmingly non asian. If asians have higher IQs, why were their societies so backward? The japanses may invent play stations, but it was the west who invented quantum mechanics, electronics etc that was the basis for it all.

  110. Gray-Color says:

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    If it is true that Races do not exist and all are equal, then why we need to categorize some people as Black, some people as White, some people as Latino and some people as Asian?

    If it is true that All are equal, then why the government policy must treat different groups of people in different ways?(Oop, “different” groups of people? Again? Tere is no “different” groups, damned it! They are all of the same! — Execuse me, sir, do you mean that all Americans are of the same color? Do you believe that yourself?)

    The fact that we must enforce policy like Affirmative Action to provide privileged favors to specific group(s) at the cost of sacrificing the equal opportunities of the other specific group(s) of the country has underlined the irrefutable truth that not only the Races exist, but also there are differences between different races.

    Lying is a crime, and should be condemned, while telling the truth isn’t. Telling the truth should never be threatened/punished/purged regardless how difficult it is to face the unpleasant truth.

    And the only way to tell between lying and telling truth is to face nothing but objective evidences, data, trained observation & research. Let the evidences tell the story, stop the powerful & shameless politicians from name calling, label attaching and coercing citizens to not discuss issues related to their daily lives. There should not be any compromise in the basic principles of our Constitution, that is, the freedom of speech.

    Only if human being has the courage to face the ugly truth then it is possible to figure out the feasible solutions to handle the problems existing between the races.

    The paradox is originated from the fact that we are human being. And here is an epitome of all the Paradox shared by human being: Having the courage to wench brothel to risk the danger of HIV disease but having no courage to recognize HIV infected as to take the HIV treatment.

    But everybody should keep this firmly in mind: HIV won’t go away just because you refuse to recognize its existance.

  111. X says:

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    Unfortunately, there are no other “races” but the human race. Genetics has already proved that; take for instance the link below

    http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

    Moreover, PBS has a show on human migration and how we all human beings share a common “adam” and “eve” that existed in Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/dna/timeline_flash.html

    As for the article you commented on, the IQ score differences may be due to chance – there is no report anywhere about statistical significance of the differences. In plain language, unless those differences are large enough they may be so due to chance. But let’s proceed further and assume they are significant; there are still problems with the argument.

    One obvious issue is whether IQ itself is an appropriate measure of human intelligence. Ideally, a study like that should at least aim to provide other measures that either confirm or contradict the basic finding -that is doing unbiased research. Let’s accept that IQ is a valid measure -and indeed the best one – and other issues emerge.

    IQ differences between “races” (genetically, a misnomer) may be environment-driven and therefore an environmental adaptation. If that is the case, I would expect those patterns not to change even after transplanting, say a black person to a white environment; if natural selection has played a role I would expect those patterns to change slowly (meaning: not at a rate that we can observe in the course of a lifeline or a couple of centuries) For instance, black people tend to dominate short-distance run races. Maybe that is the result that hunting in the African plains required good running skills that relate more with physical strength. By contrast, “Whites” and “Asians” higher IQs may have evolved because of the more demanding environment they faced. Added to the search for food -shared with blacks – they have to add the need to get shelter from ice-cold winters that do not happen in Africa.

    Even accepting things that are controversial to accept -whether IQ differences are statistically significant, whether IQ is an appropriate measure of human intelligence – what the study may be showing is differences based on adaptation to different conditions.

  112. martin_uk says:

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    What’s with this codswallop about Ngerians doing really well in Western countries. Their take up of welfare benefits is legendary in the UK. Something like one in three families from Nigeria receive housing benefit, compared to 1 in thirty immigrant families from Eastern Europe. The notion that all the Races are the same is so obviously false that only whites are stupid enough to believe it. Thank God power and influence is moving to China.

  113. Mtukwao Muungwana says:

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    I am Black, in Sub-Saharan Africa. I concur with these theories on intelligency based on race. The environment has historically provided challenges to those in it, and therefore shaped coping mechanisms which have been incorporated into their genes through evolution.

    That said, it does not make me less human, just a human with less capabilities in some areas and more in others. Sex tourism and some sports is a testimony to a fact that all races have something to contribute to other’s well being!

    If that is not enough, then you have to devise some genetic engineering to speed up the evolution of blacks. Instead of hundreds of thousands of years it has taken the whites to develop superior IQs, the times will minimal!

  114. admin says:

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    People with the least self control, lowest IQ, highest criminality have by far the most children. We strongly select for lower IQ people, independent of race. Even within the white or black races. We breed future generations with lower IQ and higher criminality. It is sad. So even without genetic manipulation, with simple breeding, we do the opposite of what you suggest.

    True genetic engineering is highly contested and quite taboo. But even positive selection is taboo, like using sperm of Nobel Prize winners.

  115. SkiFi says:

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    You see the main factor that boosted Europeans to research so fast was constant warfare as of the asians they were more calm the wars were more like for honour not just slavery and slaughter like in Europe. We had lack of space as Europeans were numerous in numbers and nations and language differences were great. We needed to conquer we needed to be better Europeans studied enemeies and adopted that is why we evolved into what we are now. Intellignece is nothing it is a limit in certain areas but fantasy the will for change under pressure.. critical situation this is what made us superior to any other race in the world. Dark ages made us strong. I even think the average IQ in EU is much higher than elswhere in the world. But IQ does not consist purely of one element a regular IQ test can find a stupid person very well but to see a difference for ppl above 115 IQ you need more than IQ test while a person capable of score 145 can end up with 125 while his thinking and way of seing thing is more abstract perhaps he has more points of view and also work under pressure while doing IQ test can lower his result. I know ppl which are supersmart but when it comes to IQ test they fail .. it has more to do with emotions. But what I was searching for nowadays is more a question if the average intelligence started to decreaase while people are not so openminded anymore, the fall simply under controll and modern slavery, humans are freelingly giving up freedom in exchange for money/debt I think that the humans 100years before us were more intelligent than we are now ..

  116. La Heretique says:

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    I also flipped POV on race and IQ, in about 2003, after actually bothering to check the data instead of just watching the TV documentaries pumped out for the masses. Even more of a surprise was finding out that race/IQ differences being at least partly genetic was the most common POV among psych phds (only 15% support the environmental cause kiddies).

    Also amazes me how few people actually know that a small majority of bio/forensic anthropologists support race as a concept, as do a mass of geneticists and biologists. Nice to see Martin_uk is busy reproducing the left wing media approved line and not bothering to look up the poll that was taken on this subject among scientists. He should also ask psych phds whether IQ is a good measure of IQ and if it is biased, Being familiar with the body of the reasearch and the studies, I can tell him he’s not going to be a happy man. The ONLY argument is ‘why are the IQ’s different?’ Qualified professionals know the tests work. Somehow nice middle class liberals like Martin always decide they know better that the people who’ve spent decades studying the subject.

    Martin, FYI, modern human populations started to go there seperate ways about 130k ago, and you’d have to assume there’s been zero evolution regarding the human brain in that time for ‘no IQ differences’ to be true. As it is we know of at least two relatively recent mutations not seen in Africans but found in Eurasians. Relative brain size also varies, and exactly the way you’d expect ot to if brain mass was related to the IQ scores.

    Always, people who obviously have zero familiarity with the hard science feel they know best, particulary if they once watched a PBS documentary.

  117. afraidso says:

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    I went to a relatively small university with a relatively prestigious graduate program. This was in the US. This school, for some reason, received a relatively high number of African students that come to study in the US via a few very prestigious and competitive fellowship programs (that I’m sure most people have heard of but I won’t mention). So these should have been the cream of the crop so to speak. I am not racist and was friends with many of these students. Having class with them though, it was obvious that they were significantly less bright than the average white or asian student. They struggled much more with things relatively free of cultural bias, like conceptual problems linking flows of cause-effect via diagrams etc. This is quite anecdotal, but matches the research presented here.

  118. emikd says:

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    A simple question what part of the world not (race) is responsible for the most damage and pollution to the enviorment of the planet where we all live. then ask yourself is this self destruction really intelligent? I personally think that intelligence is a measure of progression with positive outcome rather than so called progression with negative prospects. People who beleive they are headed towards prosperity whilst leaving and causing kaos with their intelligence then leaving themselves with a situation far worse than they begun surely are not that intelligent in my “book”. For the the sake of argument lets ask ourselves which (race)

  119. Alexander T. says:

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    Sorry white people, I don’t buy your “I’m not racist” line. If you are subscribing to these theories of race and intelligence, you are racist. If you are still actively questioning them, then there’s a little bit of hope left for you.

    I’m going to jump right to my point about why it seems that blacks are less intelligent. The culprit is religion. I tell black people all the time “it’s not your skin color, it’s your culture that’s to blame”. Being black and having grown up with blacks (how many of you all can say that?), I can tell you first hand that from the moment a black child enters the world, he or she is indoctrinated with a bunch of silly stories and superstitions that are then reinforced by the same mundane coincidences that occur daily. These reinforcements slowly begin to take the emphasis off logic and science and put it on superstitions that cannot be proven. This explains why there are so few black scientists, mathematicians, economists, engineers, etc and so many black social scientists, civil rights leaders, lawyers, judges, cops, etc. They are doing “God’s work” of providing justice. This is a race-wide problem. Compare sub-Saharan Africa to East Asia. Who produces more products, the people that believe in multiple superstitions or the ones who believe in that which can be proven, ie math and science? We can prove that 9×9=81. We cannot prove that killing 20,000 people per year keeps dead royalty happy (Annual Customs performed by the Dahomey who were subsequently wiped out by the French; amen). I know black people who are semi-rich who cannot spell simple words and wouldn’t know H2O from H2O2 or O2 from O3. They wouldn’t be able to find Brazil on a map. On top of that, I read a study that said a child born into a very religious family will be even less intelligent than his or her parents.

    Go to an orphanage and get a black child, a white child, a hispanic child and an Asian child. Raise them together and keep religion totally away from them. Teach them math and science along with all the other things the need. By time they grow up, you will have 4 people of average to above average intelligence.

    Do the same thing but feed them religion and you will have 4 unintelligent slaves who you can lead around just by saying “this is what God demands”.

    Thus, blacks can do anything that other races can do once we excise the demon of religion from our culture. How long will that take? Unfortunately, I believe a very long time because the church is deeply rooted in our culture like a blood cancer.

  120. admin says:

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    @Alexander T.: They raised black African and Asian orphan babies in white middle class families. Asian babies grew up to have an IQ of 112, Blacks of 93, as this article’s graphic shows. This was exactly the experiment you suggested, and that was what finally made me a racist, according to your terminology. Some people call it “race realism”. But you are right, conventional dogma and political correctness would call unbiased scientists “racists” if their peer reviewed academic research finds such politically incorrect results. Please read more at Race and IQ 1 and Race and IQ 2

  121. Alexander T. says:

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    @admin Not quite. In fact, I’m about to send you a very hot email. But nonetheless, there are quite a few studies showing that when we totally remove the religious component from black culture and raise a black child, his IQ comes within 1 point of a white. No one has done that experiment on a large scale, and I’d like to see it performed. You have missed my entire point. Religion is the blinder of black people. It discourages anything more than basic education. You eliminate that and suddenly all *your* arguments go out the window.

    All your “unbiased scientists” seem to have some sort of racial hangup, and you all’s continued efforts to say, in effect, “you niggers are naturally dumb” adds fuel to the black-white hate fire. You all look only at the scientific end without delving into the history as to how they got to this point.

    Let’s take Liberia for example. Put your nose in a history book and you will see that when the returned blacks came and were in power, there was peace. They were working on building an economy. Then, in 1980, the natives got restless and it’s been hell ever since. Similar events happened in Sierra Leone. The destruction of both of those countries has nothing to do with the return of the newly Westernized blacks. Being exposed to higher technology, economics, and trade pushed them far ahead of where they were before they were enslaved. Religion notwithstanding, they can go further. Even Liberia’s present president is of Americo-Liberian decent. Your argument that basically blacks are naturally stupid doesn’t hold water. Africans are VERY superstitious and have ingrained it into their culture to a much higher degree than anyone else and that causes their low IQ, socio-economic stagnation, very large families and low technological production rate. It’s not their skin color. Western Blacks are the same way. We can get much further now than we could in 1619, however if we could throw away the religion, we could get even further. As I said before *religion*, not skin color, blinds the mind from mathematics and science which are the hallmarks of man’s upward movements.

    Most, if not all of your so-called high IQ societies are secular. America has a lower average IQ because America is highly religious. Have you been to the south lately? Churches outnumber libraries. NASA didn’t locate there because of the high number of intelligent people (white OR black). In fact, my theory also explains why we don’t see much technological development coming out of the south. DARPA came from the west coast, as did Boeing and Microsoft. Most of our technological innovations, in this country, come from the Northeast and the West Coast — areas of low religious attendance and consequently, higher average level of education, and creativity.

    So please, knock it off with your scientific racism. Whites like you make me hate all white people.

  122. admin says:

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    @Alexander T. How do you know I am white? I say Asians are the most intelligent. Maybe I am Asian? or I just state scientific facts, irrespective of personal “selfish” racial interest.

    Maybe you personally have a very high IQ, irrespective of race. Or you might be mixed race, which interestingly still is called “black” even if the percentage of black genes is very low.

    Did you read the over 100 other comments by clicking on “Previous” below? The discussion is very interesting!

    Certainly, religion and “black culture” can negatively influence intellectual and economic success of blacks. But everything points towards a major in-born genetic IQ gap. So far, all expensive attempts to close the gap with educational measures have failed.

  123. rhayat10 says:

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    Some have mentioned Joseph Graves. Here is a comprehensive critique/review of his book, “The Emperor’s New Clothes”:

    http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/the-emperors-new-clothes-book-reviewcritique/

  124. Henry says:

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    I suspect the author of this article suffered an inferiority complex before she embarked in her research which blatantly showcased her inherent racial biases and prejudices. She tries to legitimize her quest with a supposedly aversion to political correctness. Ya right!

    First and foremost, there is only one race and it is the human race. If we weren’t of the same race, we couldn’t copulate among the different color groups.

    The research table shows that we as humans are fanatic about giving ranks to anything, drawing conclusions from these ranks and applying conclusions to a whole group of people from a scanty set of subjects.

    What is IQ? it is a small part of the intellectual ( reason) picture of a subject in a given time. IQ is not temporal as our ears, hands, feets or skin color. It is therefore not innate and can be improved over time according to a person exposure to an appropriate intellectual environment.

    Do we really think Steve Jobs would have been Steve Jobs if he was raised in Syria? Would being born in Syria made him an inferior being because he may have not started Apple?
    Our intellectual exposure and the basic gene of a sane mental cells plays a lot in the way we acquired knowledge.

    Perhaps, age of intercourse for blacks is earlier and later for Asian in the table. Was the goal to caricature blacks as animal with a insatiable appetite for sex? If so, how come as a continent we have less people than China?

    This article is a full of abusive generalizations that are erroneously passed as axioms. The intent goal is to reinforce the false assumption that black people are inferior to other colored-people( white, asians etc.).

    I’d like to conclude by saying that racism is a natural reaction to her overly competitive societies. If one doesn’t want to become bullied by racists( anyone who despise you because of your color, religion, language), one need to educate himself. Racism cannot be fought with the emotion of the hearts.

    Yes, all human being are not created equal(how do you define equality anyway) but our inequalities are not color-based like this obscure author wants to pretend.

  125. admin says:

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    You confuse inconvenient facts with intent. These researchers are looking for the truth. They don’t have that intent. They try to find the truth.

    you have an intent. To show all races are equal. The facts and truth be damned.

    Perhaps, age of intercourse for blacks is earlier and later for Asian in the table. Was the goal to caricature blacks as animal with a insatiable appetite for sex? If so, how come as a continent we have less people than China?

    Same as above. you have an intent. To show all races are equal. The facts and truth be damned. We (me and the researchers) just have the intent to prevent YOU from distorting facts, and research, because of your preconceived politically correct dogma. We would be very happy if someone found a recipe to make all US and African blacks affluent law abiding successful citizens, better then any Asian in the US or China. Just that 50 years of affirmative action and help for Africa has not equaled US blacks to US Asians and has not produced any Korea or Taiwan in Africa.

    This article is a full of abusive generalizations that are erroneously passed as axioms. The intent goal is to reinforce the false assumption that black people are inferior to other colored-people( white, asians etc.).

  126. free markets will regulate everything says:

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    With all the effort spent on proving to each other that it`s your opponent who`s dogmatic, you, gents, tend to let some basic logical fallacies in the very article slip past you.

    Put aside the IQ test being a paradigmally constructed quasi-scientific measurement, the author claims that the concept of it being created through expectancy effects can be disproved by stating that parents behaved as if their children were black, when, in fact, they were of mixed race, while the critical argument mentions the perceptions of “the school, classmates and society as a whole”. In the situation with the black-white mixed-race children the distinction between the “pure black” and “mixed-race” children is highly visible (the skin pigmentation differs). Now I`m going to make an assumption here that the white middle-class parents didn`t care specifically to go everhywhere after their black adopted child and explain to everyone in detail the racial identity of both of the kid`s parents. This brings us to a conclusion that no matter what the parents thought, the societal perceptions of “black” and “mixed-race” children, based on different visual perceptions, might have differed, just as it states in the text of the criticical remark Rushton is so quick to disclaim.

    I do not try to apologetically defend the presented point of view – I am just stating that this particular attempt of disproving is based on a logically inconsistent explanation.

  127. Anon says:

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    I don’t care if there is a difference in IQ between large populations on average. People should be evaluated individually. There are very smart and very stupid people of all backgrounds. I evaluate people on a person to person basis; a meritocracy.

  128. Amelia says:

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    Wow. This article sucks. I stumbled across it while looking for new makeup looks (God only knows how THAT happened). I don’t care about facts. And yes I am white, but frankly whoe gives a shit? I am a human. We are all humans. Before we actively search for superficial differances in our genetic makeup in order to feel superior to others; why don’t we ask ourselves why? Why is it so important to you to prove that your race is superior? Why is it important to you to actively divide the world into “races”? You are an individual. What makes it so important to you to put another culture down? And don’t try to say “the truth” because that’s a lie. People are tribalistic. They fear the “other”, they always have. That’s what this is. People afraid of other people. And its all meaningless. We are equal under the rightful law, and we are equal in the moral law. Why does this “science” matter. And can I ask something? Who conducted this study? What university? Can we know that this “information” is legitimate? This IS the internet I’ll remind you. This has about as much truth to it as a kiss to a whore. Have fun losers, keep up the hate. It makes me laugh! :D

  129. admin says:

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    We do research. Some people just want to know things. Find out laws of nature. Some people would like to help innner cities. Or Africa. And for that we have to understand the reasons why these places are poor and criminal.

    Most scientists believe that we can solve problems only if we truly understand them. So they want to know the truth in order to then find the best solutions.

    There are lots of links to studies, and inside the studies to other studies. If you are really interested, a true scientist, then verify all studies. Most are peer reviewed studies by real University professors according to recognized research methods.

    And yes, there still are individuals.

  130. soren says:

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    “Unfortunately, there are no other “races” but the human race. Genetics has already proved that; take for instance the link below”

    Um no… there are races as long as there are observable differences in separated genetic populations. Comparing the “genetic diversity” within and between populations is an apple and oranges comparison.

    “Even accepting things that are controversial to accept -whether IQ differences are statistically significant, whether IQ is an appropriate measure of human intelligence – what the study may be showing is differences based on adaptation to different conditions.”

    Um, duh…

  131. soren says:

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    “First and foremost, there is only one race and it is the human race. If we weren’t of the same race, we couldn’t copulate among the different color groups. ”

    You are an f’n idiot. There are races as long as there are observable differences in separated genetic populations. Comparing the “genetic diversity” within and between populations is an apple and oranges comparison.

    Do you believe in dog breeds?

    chiwawa pitbull mix

  132. soren says:

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    Good, which is why we should get rid of affirmative action…

  133. soren says:

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    “as there are no major differences in average IQ score between genders.”

    Um, you’re wrong… there is few points of IQ difference between the genders.

  134. admin says:

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    The IQ differences between genders seem fairly small. The largest I heard of is 5 points. Which is not that small.

    But it is so taboo, you hardly hear about it. The tests also might get normalized in ways that the difference disappears.

    You are welcome to post a few links about this.

  135. J.M. says:

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    It`s pointless admin, Alexander doesn`t want to accept the fact that all people are not born equal, moreover he thinks that because he is atheist it automatically turns him into an intelligent person. WHatever you think about religion, the CHRISTIAN WEST was responsible for most of the scientific breaktthroughs that were necessary for our modern world (christian doesn`t mean the imbeciles your american audiences hold up as pastors.)

  136. jixiang says:

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    The fact that medieval China had a well developed infratructure which impressed Marco Polo, while Africa didn’t, does not prove that the Chinese are more intelligent. In his famous book “Guns, germs and stell”, Jared Diamond explains the difference in technology and economic development between different parts of the world as deriving from geographic factors, and not from racial differences.
    By the way, you suggest that Vietnamese, being Asians, are very intelligent, but if you go to Vietnam, the country is extremely poor and underdeveloped, as was China a few decades ago. How does this fit in with your views?

  137. admin says:

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    Vietnam had an enormous war and a communist regime that held back China and Russia in spite of highly inteligent and educated people. Compare this with African war zones, they are doing pretty well. Compare it with Haiti even before the earthquake.

    IQ is not all. IQ works together with the environment. From what I understand, Vietnamese immigrants in the US are extremely successful, especially second and third generations. Good IQ with good environment, and still preserving good cultural values from their old cult

    Then compare the looting and unrest in the earthquake in Haiti and after flooding in New Orleans (mainly black) with the calm in Japan and other Asian Tsunami victim countries like Indonesia etc.

  138. jixiang says:

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    You seem to me to be sliding more and more into attitudes against blacks which are frankly unacceptable. Even if their average IQ was slightly lower, how does this automatically translate into looting following an earthquake? These are clearly cultural differences, not differences in IQ. Even if there was a slight difference in average intelligence, always expecting the worst from black people in every situation is not right.

    My point about Vietnam was trying to show that a country’s level of economic development and its people’s intelligence don’t necessarily correlate, especially since different countries compare differently to each other in different periods of history. China was poorer than Europe for a couple of centuries before “communism”, while it was much richer than Europe during the Middle Ages, even though the people involved still have the same genes.

  139. jixiang says:

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    And another thing: I think there is a good argument for not doing research on which races are more intelligent, because the results will automatically lead to racism and make it harder for people to be evaluated as individuals.
    If black people really do have lower IQ, it is better not to know that.

  140. admin says:

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    @Jixiang: opting to close one’s eyes and intentionally avoid knowing the truth is an interesting option. Good you honestly state such intent.

    Of course, this creates serious problems. Blacks get angry because they believe their lack of academic success is due to discrimination by the evil white man. While it is solely due to the lower IQ.

    While white IQ is slightly lower then Asian IQ, black IQ is very significantly lower, about 1-2 Standard Deviations.

  141. jixiang says:

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    Yes, and this sort of reacial theorizing is exactly what the white minority in South Africa would seaze on to justify apartheid. After all, you wouldn’t want to live in a country with a govenrment elected mainly by blacks with a “lower IQ”, would you?

    If you took the thing to extremes , you could justifiy taking black people’s vote away in Western countries too. After all, they aren’t intelligent enough to know what’s good for them are they?

    Is it surprising that people get nervous about this sort of stuff? After all, it was only recently that blacks were genuinely denied rights because they were seen as inferior, and even enslaved. Seeing them as equals has been a great step forward for civilization.

    And as for being committed to the scientific truth, differences in racial intelligence are not exactly like quantum mechanics or something. We don’t need to know about it to have a better fundamental understanding of how the world works, and I posit that we had better continue not researching the subject.

    By the way, IQ is not at all universally accepted as an objective way to assess intelligence, so here’s another problem with your “scientific evidence” of differences in racial intelligence.

  142. Human-Stupidity.com says:

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    @jixiang: I would not even dare to say that myself, but I am slowly arriving at the same conclusions.

    Yes, and this sort of reacial theorizing is exactly what the white minority in South Africa would seaze on to justify apartheid. After all, you wouldn’t want to live in a country with a govenrment elected mainly by blacks with a “lower IQ”, would you?

    I believe crime is increasing in South Africa.
    Of course it is Apartheid’s fault http://allafrica.com/stories/201011251229.html

    http://www.economist.com/node/14564621

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0824/p09s01-coop.html

  143. jixiang says:

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    I would like to direct you all to this site, which is dedicated entirely to refuting the kind of arguments found here about black people, and has lots of scientific information on the matter:
    http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrcontents.htm

  144. jixiang says:

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    Here we go. You see why people object to this sort of theorizing? The next step is always the support of discrimination. By the way crime hasn’t increased in South Africa, it’s just that during apartheid the whites were shielded from it. The townships were always very violent. In any case if the whites don’t like living in a country run by the black majority, then they can leave. Or do people with a “lower IQ” not have a right to their own land either?

  145. Les différences entre les races – II « The MRA says:

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    [...] Rushton. Jamais ces arguments (tel celui de « l’effet d’expectation » décrit dans ce lien) n’ont réussi à prouver une origine purement environnementale aux différences de QI entre [...]

  146. Unamusement Park » Blog Archive » Motives, part 3: “the new racism” says:

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    [...] The aforementioned race differences in behavioral traits explain “everything from income disparity to blacks’ abilities to get good jobs” much better than a made-up “legacy” of historical discrimination that somehow affects half-black, half-white children half as much as it affects black children, even when the mixed-race children are thought to be black. [...]

  147. vee says:

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    First of all you cannot measure intelligent cross culturally. Blacks and whites have a different culture. So emphasize is placed on DIFFERENT areas of life. I’m sure if you take a bunch of high IO white people drop them off in the middle of Africa they would die, they would fail the IQ test of life. Why is it right that your IQ test is based on Physic or Math? When Blacks do not place and emphasis on those things? And then you test them based on what YOU quality as intelligent and they fail, than you say “see!! They are less intelligent then us!” And you can’t test a small group of Black in the U.S.A and say they stand for ALL Black people, especially since the Black people in the United States are only 11% of the U.S population. 7 billion Black people in the world, 8 million in the United States. A hand full of Black people in the United States do not stand for the whole Black race! Especially when the Black population in the United States are disproportionally: Poor, subject to discrimination, subject to poor education, battling drug abuse at home, crime in the neighborhood ,poor diet ect. Ect. Ect. And the when you go outside of the United States to AFRICA these people are more concerned with life skills, then book skills. So how can you give them a test base on things they do not study? How can you compare them to a totally different culture? That’s like me being a dancer saying that I think it’s smart if you can dance will, then I give a person an IQ test based on dance who has never danced or only dances as a hobby. YOU fail! you so stupid. Yet all along this person thought it was smart if they learned how to live off the land in harmony with the earth.

  148. vee says:

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    Because of a different culture idiot

  149. vee says:

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    you think maybe the Africans never even seen a Cause-effect diagram before? something we are exposed to in Middle school? And you compare yourself and Asian students to him, when you don’t even know what type of subjects or methods of learning was was exposed to? And you think YOUR intelligent?!!! wow

  150. vee says:

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    Do you realize it was illegal to teach Black to read during slave times? And after Slaver people had to pick themselves up and go to work? no time for schools? and then Black children of Slaves were place in horrible schools being educated by the worst whites teacher or poorly educated Blacks? We have in the country long lines of uneducated Black people! Not Unintelligent Blacks, Uneducated or poorly educated. On top of the Poverty effect education, racism effects education, Home life effects education etc ect. Give them a chance to catch up to the generations of Highly educated Whites that they have to compete with.

  151. chenking says:

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    since we know the black mind is inferior the question is how to make the black mind overcome this inferiority

  152. ErikEng says:

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    Great, so blacks are not as smart as whites. Ok, and what does this do for your idividual life? Is constantly screaming about the achievements of your ancestors (I’m Asian) going to help you build a fortune 500 company? How about scoring a hot blond wife(if male, lol or if female)? The only problem I have with these websites and people who frequent them is that all in all they’re losers! they are no better than the “blacks” in my book. I have met some hard-core posters from Stormfront and believe me, they embody “white-trash”. It would seem the only thing the majority of whites have is the acomplishments of the few gifted whites and the “at least I ain’t a n!gger.” deal. Oh, and as for myself I’m studying Bio-Engeering at Georgia Tech, with six whites, four blacks, and eleven asians (including myself) and English is my second language. Here’s some free advice and instead spending your time telling everyone how great whites are why dont you improve your own life?

  153. admin says:

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    White trash are in direct competition with Blacks for jobs and cheap housing. They feel the injustice of affirmative action and of tolerance for Black racist violence first hand, starting in school. And these simple people gravitate towards simple ideologies like storm front.

    Race distribution at your college confirms that Asians are totally over-represented. The number of Blacks is surprising, I have an inkling that affirmative action and quotas are involved. Also, Georgia probably has a high percentage of Blacks.

    I know there seems to be only one woman who has created a Fortune 500 company. How many Blacks?

    The differences in IQ, impulsiveness etc show 3-fold: the average Black is like an low IQ white. There are no Blacks with Nobel Prize winning IQ in hard sciences. And there are more Blacks in the lowest rungs, equal and below low IQ high violence “white trash”

    I agree with your facts, but not with your conclusions.

    False theories about Black IQ cause black anger (they think their low worldly success is the fault of evil whites), and causes false policy (which should be informed by scientific TRUTH and not by false myths of equality).

  154. admin says:

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    Calling the black mind “inferior” is more anti-PC then I dare to do. But denial of the lower IQ, lower impulse control causes anger and rage in Blacks. Blacks and politically correct Whites perceive Black lower status, lower income, higher prison rate as unjust discrimination, not as result of innate differences. Because the differences are attributed to the evil white man, his constant discrimination and repression, and to the long lasting effects of slavery centuries ago. In general, it is difficult to solve a problem based on totally false premises and theories. Nobel prize winner Watson was maligned for saying this about Africa. So once you see the facts of IQ differences, you then can start looking for solutions.

    The IQ differences can not be solved in any quick and sensible ways. So one needs to look how to productively engage lower IQ people. Giving higher value and salaries to honest manual labor comes to my mind. There might be an injustice why high IQ office work is valued so much higher then street cleaning, brick laying, or plumbing. Both financially and status-wise.

    Other conclusions are so un-PC that I don’t even dare to vent them there. Look for HBD, Human Bio-Diversity movement for more ideas.

  155. Featherless Biped says:

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    FWIW, I have the same sexual orientation as my adopted mother (lesbian) as opposed to my biological mother (heterosexual.) While there surely are genetic aspects to IQ, sexual orientation, personality, etc., you can’t discount the effects of parenting, either.

    To put it another way, nobody thinks a white baby adopted by a ghetto single mother would sail easily through life based on having good genes.

  156. Tr.Qacy says:

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    How does black slavery in the western world explain that the world’s lowest I.Q.’s are in Africa?
    Africa is the cradle of civilization and yet its peoples have I.Q.’s consistently below 80.
    African-American’s scores are higher because they have genetically mixed with other races.
    This has nothing to do with poverty, education, racism, and slavery in the United States.
    If it did, the intelligence of native Africans would be more in line with Europeans and Asians.

  157. Tr.Qacy says:

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    Some “parts of the world” are not innately intelligent enough to invent and manufacture anything that might produce pollution.

  158. Tr.Qacy says:

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    It’s not religion nor is it culture–it is brain size.
    Brain size is measurable.
    It is quantifiable.

  159. Tr.Qacy says:

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    Your incorrect usage of the English language, vocabulary, and its parts of speech say more about you, the writer, than perhaps you intend.
    Your lack of intelligence is showing.

  160. Tr.Qacy says:

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    #27 comment is in reply to Henry’s #24 comment.

  161. Tr.Qacy says:

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    Amelia–many people are studying sociology, not looking for makeup tips.
    There are people searching the internet for different scientific studies related to their graduate degree, for instance.
    Just because you stumbled upon social scientists discussing their studies while you were looking up information for what products to paint on your face, doesn’t mean that you have any idea what is being discussed here.

  162. Tr.Qacy says:

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    jixiang,
    There is no truth that should not be known.
    To avoid knowledge just because it may be politically incorrect would undermine all advanced society.
    Suppose scientists had decided not to tell people that their dirty hands were the cause of infection because it might reflect poorly on their hygiene.

  163. Tr.Qacy says:

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    You should consider doing some research on I.Q. tests. They are not about math and physics.
    Enviroment is responsible partially for intelligence, but genetics are responsible for much more.
    This has been established with studies on children adopted at birth by families of different races and socio-economic status.
    Black children adopted by white or Asian middle or higher income families had higher I.Q.’s than children raised by their black families or economically disadvantaged families–but only by a few points. Their scores were still markedly lower than caucasian or asian children.
    Asian children adopted by white families still had higher I.Q.’s than white children.
    Genetics still has more to do with intelligence than any other single factor.

  164. Tr.Qacy says:

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    Actually, your conclusions are incorrect. Children adopted into BETTER circumstances DO have increased I.Q.’s, but not by more than a couple of points.
    Adopted children score close to their racial mean.
    Even if you change their enviroment, you can only change their I.Q. by at most 6 points.

  165. Tr.Qacy says:

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    The median I.Q. in Nigeria is 67.
    It is one of the most disadvantaged countries in the world as far as intelligence of its citizens is concerned.
    I’m sure that Nigerians’ intelligence can be increased by living in the U.S., but only by a few points.
    Intelligence is mostly hereditary…even if that fact makes you uncomfortable.
    By the way, I.Q. testing is written for afrocentretic cultures as well as for other cultures.

  166. Tr.Qacy says:

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    Your comments have absolutely no scientific nor factual basis.

  167. Tr.Qacy says:

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    If these facts are true, why are so many blacks in prison, on welfare, and high-school drop outs?
    It is a scientific fact that those with high I.Q’s avoid prison, single parenting, lack of education, and government assistance to a great degree.
    These facts do not seem to be congruent with the way the vast majority of African-Americans live their day to day lives.

  168. admin says:

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    Motives, part 3: "the new racism": a great article debunking race deniers. Too sad that the current academic climate supports “scientists” who distort facts and provide absurd explanations to avoid facing the truth.

    The following article gives more details about the trans-racial adoption study and its follow-up study
    Research That Was to Prove Jensen Wrong Proves Him Right

  169. Larry Bond says:

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    Interesting blog. I have another take on what causes the behavioural difference we observe between groups of people. (The biological differences are insignificant. I’m a biologist and agree with Colbert – I’m colour blind). I think it all turns on our cultural icons and how they have evolved and influenced how we have developed.

    Why did the western culture develop the industrial revolution and then far surpass other cultures in developing science and applying it to it’s civilization? I think the answer is an from an unlikely and unappreciated source. Only the western culture has cultural icons that develop skeptical thinking in its population. I know education, or the western school system, may want to claim the credit but I believe Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy (The Holy Trinity) deserve the credit. Indeed each of these innocent children stories, once started, evolved into more elaborate deceptions in their detailing that made them more believable to impressionistic minds.

    Why would parents deceive their children this way. What is the hidden cultural agenda? Why would such stories persist in the culture if it did not confer an advantage? These memes are very important.

    What other culture so thoroughly convinces kids one thing and then at an early age bursts their bubble about it.

    Most religious oriented cultures today discourage skepticism. Those in control of these cultures are threatened by skepticism. A “doubting Thomas” is a derogatory term discouraging any questioning of a culturally held belief. Faith is a virtue or advanced as such by these cultures. One could argue it keeps believers gullible and child-like and thus easy to control. Ironically the belief in the tooth fairy is frequently used to label adults as being too trusting and ready to believe anything.

    I contend that these three unappreciated cultural lies promote healthy skepticism. Only when you can inculcate disbelief in children in such a joyful and playful way can you develop a questioning way of viewing the world and thus advancing it. At least I think it worked for me.

    Cheers,

    Larry

  170. admin says:

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    Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy myths get debunked by every child. Thus they all learn skepticism. Intriguing theory. Any links for further study of this theory?

    I was always wondering why parents would blatantly lie to children. And, you are right, every single adult has already found out that the stories are lies.

  171. Ishen L. Jones` says:

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    These findings are highly flawed. The only way to prove or disprove any of this is to have hundreds children all of different races placed into a group from with they are together from birth, or at least of an age at which they could not have already formed subconscious alignment towards anything. In which case there would have to be many controls set in place that I am fairly certain are impossible. You would need one sole caregiver, identical treatment, care, attention, living environments, choices, etc. Then there is also the many different personalities of these children to consider, which on its own makes any sort of research on this subject invalid. In conclusion until a completely unbiased and 100% sterile experiment of this nature is conducted, which could never happen. This theory can neither proved nor disproved, therefore this or any study on the mater has no grounds on which to claim it is correct. I apologize for any misspelled or misused words and all grammatically incorrect statements let them not detract from what I have said. If it means anything to anyone I am Black.

  172. admin says:

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    Academic psychologists devised very clever experimental settings. Identical twins reared apart vs. together is the perfect science experiment with genetically identical children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Twin_Family_Study

    Furthermore, the right experimental design can observe random samples of normal, non-twin people exposed to different environmental stimuli and get to clear conclusions based on group differences in outcome. Basically large groups would compensate for the non-standardized treatments of individuals and avearage out to equal treatment in both groups.

    Don’t forget, racial differences in IQ, criminality are undeniable statistical facts, see US Dept. of Justice statistics. We are only discussing if the reasons are genetic, or if slavery hundreds of years ago can be blamed. Note that Blacks growing up among Blacks, with no evil whites nearby, don’t fare too well either. While Chinese, Koreans, etc, no matter how discriminated, flourish world wide, be it in the US or Africa.

  173. bluestate69 says:

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    we had a problem when we first formed this country. we considered african americans as inferior, and we owned them as slaves. this is what happens when you start to malign an entire group of people. sure, there are differences in race. i would also agree, that for whatever reason, there are differences in intelligence amongst the races. however, i think you are confused about the term “equal”. its more of a legal term. it doesn’t mean everyone is just as smart as everyone else. it means we are all equal in the eyes of the law. so, “all men are created equal” is not political dogma from the left. plus, when dealing with genetics, there will always be exceptions (as with anything). so, there’s the possibility of the very unintelligent white person, the asian that’s bad at math, or the black person that can’t dance. in other words, there really isn’t anything practical to do with your information.

  174. admin says:

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    The problem starts when we deny facts and warp research. When Jensen and Rushton get persecuted for their work, and when sociologists come up with ridiculous theories about “race does not exist”. When Blacks become angry at the evil white man who is to blame for Black academic under-performance which needs to be fixed with affirmative action that puts under-qualified Blacks into colleges and jobs they are not apt to perform well. And when Black crime gets covered up. When white old ladies need to be stopped and randomly searched at equal rate then young Blacks with tattoos and hoodies. Because the scientifically and logically and mathematically correct practice of racial profiling of people 3, 5, 20 times more crime-prone is evil discrimination.

  175. NeuroAce says:

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    As an aspiring neuropsychologist, it dismays me to see that these type of inflammatory beliefs are increasingly the norm. The sweeping comments of “blacks” being inferior and blacks “blaming the white man” is appalling. As an Black American, I see little use in blaming anyone, yet I am arbitrary placed into the “playing the victim” category. Nevertheless, to deny the impact of years of discrimination, such as Jim Crow laws, is misguided. In addition, blacks are over represented in poverty and violence stricken communities. As someone who actually administers IQ tests, it is naive to claim that culture is irrelevant. Yet it is equally naive to ignore the importance of genetics. There are syndromes that solely target Jewish communities and there are various disorders that are more prevalent in blacks, as well as whites. However, many people completely ignore the fact that our human brains are malleable.

    Studies on racial differences in IQ is unimportant. I can’t help but wonder, what are we trying to accomplish? It is more advantages to look at within group differences. There are differences within white, black, and asian communities, but, for some reason, blacks are viewed as monolithic. I would also urge people on this site to search all literature. After attending a seminar at the American Academy of Clinical Neuropsychology, current literature revealed that there were significant differences in adopted black children, suggesting that environment does indeed play a role. We must be steadfast in not only knowing the truth and searching all sides of the story, but we must also search for solutions. Although overarching claims that blacks are inferior may make some swell with pride as they breath a sigh of relief that they have evolved higher faculties, it does nothing to further human progress.

    From my own clinical work, when whites and blacks are compared from similar disadvantaged environments (e.g., community violence, interpersonal trauma, etc.) there are no significant differences. Researchers in this field have the propensity to look at only a fraction of constructs, while ignoring the broader ecological-transaction system. I hope to contribute to this field of work in the future, as I passionately believe it is needed. But I am dismayed by the aim to disaggregate races into superior and inferior groups. Why is this important? Finding the truth? My goal for research is to look at the disparities within groups to offer targeted interventions that will extend beyond the satisfaction of knowing that “my group scores higher than that group.”

    As mentioned previously, I administer IQ tests. Most IQ measures consist of tasks that assess working memory (e.g., math problems), vocabulary, fund of knowledge, perceptual reasoning, and processing speed. The majority of these measures require a healthy environment to evolve adaptively. As someone who was fortunate to thrive in a middle-class environment, I can’t help but wonder, “would I really be curious in the fate of Winston in 1984, Aldos Huxley’s musings, or enigmatic dark matter if I was subjected to an environment shrouded in violence?” I would hope that I would still retain the same level of curiosity and many blacks who have come from impoverished communities have been successful. But what behavior is adaptive for each community? Learning the wonders of the universe or learning skills to survive on the street? If I look at this issue candidly, I cannot honestly say that I am so superior that I would be unaffected by situations that inflict many blacks.

    I am an African American female and doctoral student. I am single and have no kids. I have a father whom I admire, parents who have been married for 30 years, friends of diverse backgrounds, and an obstinate desire to learn. Yet I am often lumped into a stereotypical category. People automatically assume the worse and become puzzled if I should become offended. My entire race is blamed for behaviors that have nothing to do with me. And even worse, my skills are always evaluated with a much more critical eye than students of other races. I have seen this reflected a few comments on this site. It seems that there is sometimes a propensity to look for inferiority.

    To avoid PC, does one actually expect the entire black race, to “face the truth” and accept that “my race is inferior and less evolved.” Would any of you do truly do this?

  176. Koa says:

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    Well, blacks used to be considered incapable of reading, writing etc…I guess, within the past few centuries, blacks have evolved the most. From iqs in the retarded range to ninety..whatever. I think it would only get better.

  177. admin says:

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    It is a statistical fact that Blacks commit multiple times as many crimes then whites. For whatever reason. So for police to racially profile makes sense, scientifically.

    Oh, and everyone who lives near a Black US neighborhood knows that as a White you will be racially profiled for serious whooping or worse. You would not walk or bicycle through there at night. It would be unwise.

    UK: Police stop and search innocent white people to balance race figures, terror watchdog says

    You are probably in the top 0.1% of IQ for Blacks, but probably 0.5% of Whites and 1% of East Asians and 2% of Ashkenazi Jews share the same IQ. I hope you don’t blame discrimination for the fact that Blacks are under-represented in PhD programs. They have lower average IQ, very few reach IQ levels of 120 and above which are appropriate for PhD students. Certainly the bad environment and a culture hostile to behaving white and studying hard add further to the problems. Your High IQ parents helped to choose and create a better learning environment for you.

    Everything has been tried to bring Blacks to the same level of education, of financial success, through affirmative action. It has been tried in Africa, in the US and other countries. All has failed to get them to the same levels as Whites, much less East Asians. Same with IQ. Everything has been tried to change the tests, to test in thousands of different ways. The differences could not be eliminated.

    You are among a privileged group, most likely with a high IQ.

    Thanks for your very detailed and elaborate reply.

  178. admin says:

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    If African countries and Black communities in the US could become as rich and successful as Taiwan or Chinatown in San Francisco, we would be delighted. And most “racist” people I know would be very happy if black crime rates in Africa and US cities would drop to East Asian crime rates. We don’t delight in Black suffering and demise.

    The problem is that all good intent, aid to Africa, affirmative action, positive discrimination, nothing could make African nations and US ghettoes comparable to Asian and Jewish nations and ghettoes. Nobody found the recipe. And they deny the simplest explanation (lower intelligence and other inborn differences) but come up with speculative adventurous theories that are defended tooth and nails no matter how much disproven they are. Like “race does not exist’, and “Blacks suffer from 200 year old slavery”, etc.

  179. NeuroAce says:

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    This reply is in response to the posts above and below.

    Thank you for your responses. I think the assumption that differences are “inborn” is a premature argument. Everything has not been tried to bring Blacks to the same level of education. Affirmative action and blind aid is definitely not the answer, but the answer is tackling the root of problem, which I feel is multifarious. When you look at literature that explores developmental outcomes in children exposed to community violence, neglect, abuse, etc. you find no significant differences across races. I think we have only scratched the surface on this topic to jump to conclusions. From my own research, environment has a substantial impact, especially during the first five years of life. The research on adopted black children typically explores children at age 7 or older. I think it is important to look at early environment. All of the school services and quota mandates do little if the child is sent back into a deleterious environment.

    As far as racial profiling, my concern is with stereotyping in day to day interactions. Why not get to know people prior to ascribing personality traits? There are also white neighborhoods that I would not venture in past dark due to the high aryan brotherhood population (e.g., Yucca Valley). There are also hispanic communities that I would avoid, specifically Florencia 13 gang infested communities that target African Americans. But when it comes to daily interactions at work, at stores, at libraries, what is the use of profiling?

    In response to the comment below, positive discrimination, affirmative action, and aid to Africa are not the answers to the pervasive problems that I think are contributing to the state of blacks. Many of the speculative adventurous theories you are referring to have been proven, but are often in ecological-transactional studies that look at IQ as a covariate rather than a dependent variable. IQ might be a secondary construct that researchers are exploring. Yet, as indicated above, environment has consistently contributed to lower IQ scores and lower verbal ability. The history of African Americans permeates in black culture today. Does that mean we should blame the white man for disadvantages? Absolutely not. During the Jim Crow era, you were ridiculed and, sometimes, threatened with death if you carried yourself like an “uppity” black. My mother experienced this treatment and she instilled in me the value of carrying yourself as an intellectual, articulating your thoughts coherently, and searching for knowledge. Yet I have seen traits that were forced during Jim Crow era and slavery replicated in today’s black community. For example, you are often ridiculed by other blacks for reading or taking interest in school and are called an oreo or white person. Conversely, Asians tend to be encouraged to excel by their peers. Like I said before, the problems are much more multifaceted and we have only scratched the surface. Summing it up as lower intelligence and inborn differences is misguided. I actually give IQ tests and I can tell you with confidence that a large portion of the tests depend on environment. If you are an avid reader and live with caregivers who use a variety of words, you are likely to have a higher vocabulary score. If you are exposed to museums you are likely to have a higher information score. If you are encouraged to play with puzzles during your childhood, you are likely to have a higher perceptual reasoning score. The list goes on and on. But to say IQ tests are in no way impacted by environment and history and scores are all a matter of genetics is ridiculous and ill informed. I would recommend thoroughly researching this topic and not just what already fits your worldview.

  180. Primo Johnson says:

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    Can you clarify your point in English? If not, your comment proves that there truly are intra-group differences in intelligence.

  181. Bastich says:

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    Negros are dumb and stupid – how can one explain how they take a country that prospers under colonials only to reduce it to ruins under their own rule?
    They’ll crib WHITEY did that – tell those porch monkeys that Whiteys Ruled Asia too – now Asia is going to rule the world!!

    Tell those porch monkeys that they’re only ONLY fuxated race that turns a FIRST WORLD nation into a third world ghetto – no Negro Hood can be considered worthy of living by humans!!!

    yet they scream “WE DIDNT DO NUFFIN!!!” DATS WHITEYS FAULT

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    Here we go. You see why people object to this sort of theorizing? The next step is always the support of discrimination. By the way crime hasn’t increased in South Africa, it’s just that during apartheid the whites were shielded from it. The townships were always very violent. In any case if the whites don’t like living in a country run by the black majority, then they can leave. Or do people with a “lower IQ” not have a right to their own land either?</blockquote Your ignorant
    of the fact that both Zimbabwe and South Africa were sparsely populated when the white settlers arrived populations stabilized and grew because of the whites medical care and policing of the actual native population. Hordes of foreign illlegal immigrants flooded their (the white, boers and affrikaaners) beautiful country's and ignorant college students around the world bought into the black is for Africans communist hate propaganda and a genocide was started against the whites, The truth is that under the evil apartheid, the black African's had more automobiles than all of the entire Soviet Union and thats counting only , South Africa. Truth being all of you ignorant supportters of scum bag Nelson Mandela should be charged with crimes against humanity.Wiithout white guidance the worthless native African's would have breed themselves out of resources, murdered,and induced plague upon themselves and would already be extinct. Every resource allotted to them is mismanaged, the native population never farmed invented anything and still are today cannibals. Talk all your delusional bullshit you want Blacks have no rights to land that was never theirs. To get a better idea of the destruction the liberal scum has done with their lies watch the Italian documentary" Africa Addia" that was made in 1964. I am American, and I cannot believe, that we allowed the communist scum, to destroy, what through hundreds of years of intelligent management and hard work by the white Afrikaans took to develop.Watching the loss of the game perserves alone in the documentary brings tears to my eyes. I would have never thought that that I could shed tears for crocodiles as I watched the futile attempts to rescue Africa's animals from the sub-human zombie hordes.The real truth is that through our welfare programs we have bred a subhuman mutant swarm,hence let loose on their own devour mame and destroy everything in their path. Our absolute negligence in the assessment of the actions needed to perserve our existence will be our ruin. We have passed that point of any recovery. By submitting to the political correct communist " I'm educated crap" that the Democrat party has dictated upon us for the last 40 yrs. While the Republican Party whimpers at their feet, and submits to the authority of what!! little spoiled communist traitor college children!! and thats all the Democrat's really are besides their billionaire communist supporters. We have allowed the
    exticntion of all of Europe and North America.

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    I guess the socioeconomic crowd doesn’t understand the trans-racial adoption studies, or the MRI brain volume studies, or the large sample size IQ tests that show around the world that northeast asians score the highest, whites in the middle, and blacks on the bottom. If the test was biased, then why do non english speaking asians score the highest on a white designed test….hmm. Why has there never been a majority black society of great inventions and achievement. The conditions of a country reflect the intelligence of it’s people; you can’t blame everything on white people.
    As for the serial killer thing, over 20% are non white, so blacks represent at least their percentage of the population, if not more. The media focuses more on white serial killers.

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    Wow.

    IQ scores are based on tests. You need to look into the field of neuropsychology and explore articles within this field. It is common to use cognitive measures to explore constructs and theories. It is not my intention to look at intellectual functioning, as there is considerable disagreement as to what intelligence really is.

    And I did not post an article nor my findings on this site, so I’m not sure why you are concluding that I lack data representing socioeconomic factors. I appreciate your eagerness to point out flaws, but I did not realize that I needed to post my entire methodology on this forum.

    Also, thank you for your criticism regarding my ability to measure human intellectual aptitude. However, I’m not concerned with your assessment of my abilities based on an internet posting. Fortunately, I have time to gain proficiency at the two ivy league sites at which I am training

    The conclusion of genetic inferiority is premature and many variables are not explored. However, it is impossible to explore every variable, so I certainly do not intend to. Empirical research adds to existing knowledge. I’m surprised to find someone who actually believes that one study should answer everything. Wow. Thank you for that enlightening post though.

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    I would be interested to know where Lamarckian theory has been resurrected. Maybe in obesity. Heredity of traits has beem shown by Bouchard’s twin studies. It is clear that environment plays a big role too. But the best environment can not elevate people beyond their genetic potential. “Be all you can be” is the limit.

  191. Big Daryle says:

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    Blacks are vastly inferior to whites, that is obvious to anyone with a brain.

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    i am abacked at the nature of information the writer of this article has tried to Marshall in the noble intent of proving racial inferiority of the African race. The black race will not be subjugated once again. it is such ill guided notions of scientific truth that gave rise to the slave trade.
    I for one am a black man.
    i have been at the top of all my classes in uk since primary
    i have 11 A*’s GCSE
    I have 3A*’S 1 A at Alevel
    i am studying mathematics with statistics at oxford
    i have 3 published books with my work
    i am a member of the international high iq society

    and incase it is not clear to anyone , i am not stupid!!!

    my message to anyone reading is , don’t listen to such racial prejudice concealed and guised as science . Intellect , as stated by my friends neuroscience lecturer , is independent of race and more down to the environment and ones motivation. So if you want to archive, don’t let you race hinder you

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    I for one am a black man.
    i have been at the top of all my classes in uk since primary
    i am studying mathematics with statistics at oxford
    i have 3 published books with my work
    i am a member of the international high iq society

    and incase it is not clear to anyone , i am not stupid!!!

    @omuyo: good for you. Now let us test if your intelligence allows you to rationally analyze math, statistics, logic and proof without prejudice, dogma. If you can analyze facts and data without being blinded by political correctness dogma.

    I overcame my false education, but it took a long time. This entire blog is devoted to the idea of highly intelligent people being unable to see the truth. Like the pope with Galileo Galilei.

    1. Are you 100% black? sub-saharan? Or what admixtures and primary races do you have? Your expected IQ might be higher then the average sub-saharan IQ
    2. You understand statistics! So you understand that you may be perfectly 4 SD (standard deviations) above the mean of your race, which makes you equal to Whites, Asians or Ashkenazi that are 2 to 3 1/2 SD above the their racial mean
    3. In other words, one would expect more Asians, Jews, and whites among your colleagues then Blacks
    4. If Blacks were over-represented among your colleagues, without resorting to quotas and affirmative actions, then it would be worth for you to elaborate how this could have happened
    5. what is the racial composition of your high iq colleages? Why?
    6. Rushton often suggests a statistical experiment to people like you: how many of your relatives, how many people of your race are as successful or more successful and intelligent as you? Regression towards the mean suggests that your East Asian and Jewish colleages have more relatives in high IQ environments
    7. In addition to the lower frequency of very high IQ among, there is the effect on the extreme tail end of the distribution. How many Nobel prize winners in Math, Physics, Chemistry are black? And how many chess grand masters?
    8. Olympics are starting. keep a watch on the semifinals and finals in the 100 m dash. Please interpret the absence of whites and Asians? I expect zero or one (Lemaitre) whites among the top 16 runners. Which of course proves the superiority of the white race.
  195. admin says:

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    Your neuroscience lecturer would not be at the University, if he promoted race-realist beliefs. He would have been fired long ago. They tried to dismiss J. Philippe Rushton, in spite of having tenure, in spite of having more publications and citations then the entire psychology department together.

    Politically correct indoctrination is very strong and powerful and frequently wins against high IQ.

    I do expect better arguments from a high IQ person like you. Did you study the evidence? Can you refute it scientifically? Are you aware that we do not claim that Black IQ is 85, or 75 with a Standard Deviation of 2? Do you understand the Bell curve of a a SD of IQ 85, or 100, with SD of 15?

    The differences are in the extreme tail ends. and in the percentile of high and low IQ.

    Analyze my articles about Race and IQ, comment and refute them.

    Also check a very intelligent black man:

  196. migratory wings says:

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    I have no comment about the IQ levels of whatever racial groups.

    The only thing bother me is that all the politicians in USA will never take a break in creating so many biased rules/requirements irrefutably in favor of specific ethnic group(s) at the cost of other ethnic group(s); in the meanwhile they never feel shameful in proclaiming that all the ethnic groups are the same in whatsoever regards. I just wonder why they haven’t announced that the color White, Black, Red and Yellow are actually the same color.

    EURO members now have very serious financial unbalance problems. If all the races are equal in whatsoever regards, then why some EURO members need huge amount of bail-out money yearly from the other members just to keep themselves from collapse?

  197. migratory wings says:

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    “i am studying mathematics with statistics at oxford”

    =====

    Since you are studying mathematics with statistics at oxford, do you know the very basic concept of Statistics is that the Sample Size must be large enough to construct the Confidence Level of the Statistics Analysis result?

    ‘I’, no matter how magnificent, is just one sample; hence ‘I’ is far from being enough to build a large Samples Size in the Statistics World. It doesn’t matter how many sentences initialized with an ‘I’ you want to compose, it is still just one sample.

    Nobody can argue the unprecedented attainments level that Michael Jordon has achieved in the professional Sports world. If one sample is enough to reach conclusion as your logic have implied, then all the African American boys may just drop out the school today and start to pursue a NBA career by following Mike’s foot-print — a crazy idea even Mike won’t agree with.

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    It seems that Blacks themselves knew how to enslave others, without needing whites to teach them.

    It also is not very clear why slavery and other allegedly problems caused by whites could not be overcome by 50 years of affirmative action. While Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Jews in the US could easily surpass discrimination and overrun elite Universities with more success then the white elite.

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    High IQ: Not as good for you as you thought

    Angela Duckworth and Martin Seligman estimate that for every ten articles on intelligence and academic achievement, there has been fewer than one about self-discipline. Even so, the small body of research on self-discipline suggests that it has a significant impact on achievement. Walter Mischel and colleagues found in the 1980s that 4-year-olds’ ability to delay gratification (for example, to wait a few minutes for two cookies instead of taking one cookie right away) was predictive of academic achievement a decade later. Others have found links between personality and college grades, and self-discipline and Phi Beta Kappa awards. Still, most research on self-discipline has achieved inconsistent results, possibly due to the difficulty of measuring self-discipline. Could a more robust measure of self-discipline demonstrate that it’s more relevant to academic performance than IQ?

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    Why are IQ tests the benchmark for intelligence? They are only a measure of how well people think a certain way, but not a true measure of genuine intelligence. Proving that a few scientists and great thinkers had a high IQ does not mean that all great scientists and thinkers have a high IQ. Also, what is this emphasis on Nobel Peace Prize winners? This organization was created by whites/ Europeans to pat themselves on the back for THEIR inventions. There are plenty of people of many races who have created several inventions and innovations helpful to the progress of mankind that have never even been considered for a Nobel Peace Prize so the fact that there are far less blacks who have been awarded that prize is completely irrelevant to their intelligence level, especially if racial biases such as the ones expressed on this blog have anything to do with the nomination process. Why are poverty and lack of intelligence or power always linked together? There are plenty of rich people who are dumb as bricks and many smart poor who live in violently oppressive countries that won’t even utilize its brightest citizens. There have been several sub African civilizations such as Ethiopia, Mali, and Great Zimbabwe which have contributed innovations in agriculture, irrigation, waste disposal (something that the Europeans of the middle ages could have used while they were dying from the plague of their own crap filling the streets of their cities),wielding. and architecture (seamless, ‘or motarless’ walls, buildings, and artifacts), as well as ones that had a pre-colonial written language, but American history books have refused to acknowledge them and during apartheid and European domination of Africa, white scientists were actually fired if they refused to cover up and lie about these innovations. Also, there have actually been several African Americans who have created modern day innovations such as George Washington Carver, the individual who created the traffic light, and the first doctor to perform a particularly difficult form of open heart surgery (have to get their names) even with a very limited education. Innovation and contribution can not be measured in the form of some arbitrary test. Thinking in a certain pattern does not necessarily produce intelligence and it definitely does not produce wisdom. There are plenty of people who are currently being PHYSICALLY and SOCIALLY oppressed in Africa just like they CURRENTLY are in Asia that are very brilliant but you will never know, because they will probably die an early death like the rest in a sea of poverty, violence, and devastation.
    For those who compare crime rates among races, why do we look at the current crime some blacks in America commit today but ignore the hundreds of thousands of blacks and native Americans who were murdered at the hands of whites in this country. I guess those crimes don’t matter, because they were committed by an ‘intelligent race’ huh? What about the post industrialized genocides of Eastern Europe and Armenia which led to death of millions? For whites to be so much more intelligent than everyone, when a national economic crises occurs, the first thought is to irrationally blame a small minority of the population for their problem then kill them off with the belief that that would solve their economy? Doesn’t sound very smart to me, and these are whites in the POST industrial era, not some society from the dark ages. History has continually proven that whites are no less violent, barbaric, or prone to destruction as any other racial group. Every racial group, including sub saharan blacks, have had a time of power, dominance, and flourishing innovations and cultures. Mathematics, astronomy, and other innovations did not start with the Greeks or Egyptians. Do you actually believe that civilizations that existed long before these did not have any system of counting or record keeping? Get out of here. There are several ancient artifacts that are just being discovered today that disprove all that crap about Africa and why would they have been talked about 50 years earlier when there was a clear agenda to keep those things secret to make blacks look dumb and unproductive?
    There is no reason for me to rely on European made tests or history books for black African history or intelligence. One thing that has always been prevalent from these studies is that they were designed to try to prove people of an already existing racial bias. These biases existed long before these tests and the tests will continue to support them but there is no reason for me to believe them. So the black American students who were raised in a society that constantly told them they were dumber and told them that they had to take a test biased towards Europeans and those (such as Asians) who intently studied European culture did not score high on an IQ test. So what? There is no way that you can prove to me that that test is a true measure to anyone’s intelligence or ability to be rational, productive human beings in society. It merely proves that certain individuals are better at thinking in a certain PATTERN than others and have been CONDITIONED better to think that way. Some of these individuals have gone on to do great things but there are many people with high IQ scores who contribute NOTHING to society but brag about how smart they supposedly are because they took some test. Who cares? There is more than one way to skin a cat and there is more than one way to display evidence of exceptional intelligence.

    Also, with regards to these trans-racial adoption statistics, they are still pretty irrelevant. In a society that constantly characterizes blacks as dumb and Asians as super intelligent, it is very likely that these white adoptive parents, as well meaning as they were, also sub consciously harbored these same beliefs about blacks and Asians and raised them accordingly. In other words, I can assure you that more of these black kids were enrolled in sports and dance by their white parents and patted them on the back when they ignored their studies to be on the football team with the belief that their black children would be better suited in these fields. White parents with Asian kids probably did exactly what is stereotyped of Asian parents to do which is put there kids in music classes, chess matches, spelling bees, and other activities which are far more mentally stimulating and emphasized good grades and academic achievement. Your economic class and income does not automatically mean you escape SOCIALIZATION and certain expectations brought about by racism and prejudice. Wealth DOES NOT equal intelligence, power DOES NOT equal good morals or ability. Relatively stupid people who are ruthless and are SOMEWHAT crafty can conquer the nation. It doesn’t take a genius to know that a gun can speak louder than a math book .

    And another thing too. Whites need to get off this Affirmative Action crap. Affirmative Action had a brief heyday in the 70’s and 80’s, but most laws have outright outlawed most Affirmative Action practices today. A couple decades is NOT ENOUGH to bring a population that has been socially, economically, AND MENTALLY oppressed for hundreds of years to the same socio-economic status of whites. There was NO HEAD START! They were already significantly held back. As far as Asians go, Asians were in this country before Affirmative Action so, again, blacks did not have any head start over them. Also, Asians did not have to come over here with the stigma that they were not smart enough to succeed so even if SOME came here poor, they were not necessarily mentally defeated. Also, there are many Asians who come over here from educated backgrounds just like many black Nigerians who come here more for the opportunity to use their skills to gain more education and make more money than they would in their home country. Also, Affirmative Action has benefited white women more than it has benefited African American as a whole. And to whoever said that making such a statement is sexist, if you don’t think your views on blacks are racist, I certainly don’t think that my views on white women benefiting from Affirmative Action sexist.

    Also, to that individual who said that the black Nigerians come over here and spend their whole lives preparing for the SAT so they’re higher SAT scores are evidence that they are actually dumb people who have to work really hard to get the same SAT scores as some whites, makes NO SENSE. People ultimately come to this country for opportunity for a better life (job, money, living conditions), not just for education. Nigerian schools for the middle class may actually be more challenging than American schools but the opportunities for good jobs may be scarce. Part of partaking in the American Dream to them is to do well in American schools, so they prepare themselves by maintaining good grades and being studious throughout their school years ( JUST LIKE ASIANS AND MOST PEOPLE WHO DO WELL ON THE SATs!). So, yes, their hard work tends to make them stellar students. How does that prove that they’re dumb, though? Any smart person knows that you have to work hard at want you want and practice makes perfect. Even geniuses spend years on their craft before they get to an exceptional level. Are you implying that the white or Asian kids who do get high SAT scores use less effort and do not also spend years getting good grades and being studious like the Nigerian kids do? How do you even begin to prove that? But this is what I’m talking about. When people are hell bent on trying to prove that THEY are somehow inherently smarter than others simply because of melanin or lack thereof, they will deny any logical evidence proving otherwise. They will keep defending the BS logic that IQ tests are the main measure of intelligence with no real proof and keep telling blacks that they are dumb so they will actually believe that no matter how much they contribute to society and no matter how little these racists jerks contribute, somehow, these prejudiced losers will always be smarter, because of some random test that someone of their race made up for the sole purpose to try to make blacks look inferior. If the black person does score high on the IQ test, they will just reason it away by saying that the black person has a large amount of white genes that they don’t know about even though most of the blacks who don’t do well on the test have THE SAME AMOUNT OF WHITE GENES OR EVEN MORE as the ones who do well on the test. There is no winning situation for a black person in the eyes of these racists. They will keep making up excuses to try to convince themselves that their skin color gives them some false inherent benefits even though they are sitting here on this very blog arguing with articulate blacks who are just, if not more, mentally capable as them. So insecure about their own intelligence that they have to look to racially biased pseudo scientific studies which are still not conducted with all things being equal just so they can try to convince themselves and others that they are smart. I don’t need a white person to tell me I’m smart for me to know it so why do some whites feel that they need to keep creating these dumb biased studies to make themselves feel more intelligent. If you’re so smart, prove it. Go out and contribute to the world and stop always trying to compare yourselves to others. And please don’t use the accomplishments of a small group of really intelligent whites to try to prove that YOU are intelligent, because you’re arguments would be futile and irrelevant. You don’t see me using the African Americans who’ve made great innovations to speak for my ability to well in society.

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  206. NOYFB says:

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    Outside of nut job blogs, pseudo-science circles and the nightmarish world of “white” supremacists, Philippe Rushton was a fraud and his work lacked scientific merit.

    Now let me see where this blog fits in. :)

  207. Gordon says:

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    It’s not at all obvious that they are “vastly inferior”. These are comparisons between individual traits, across large population sizes. You cannot point to random individuals of each of these races, and make such conclusions about intelligence, without much more personal information. That black man, passing you in the street, may be far more intelligent than you are! Also, nature has no such motivating factor as inferior or superior, only what works and successfully passes its genes on to future generations. You are making an arbitrary value judgement that intelligence is the most important criteria on which to judge their inferiority. What about the black’s greater fecundity and athletic prowess? You are being as superficial as the eugenicists, who thought that blue eyes and blonde hair conferred superiority! I would hazard a guess that your own simplistic approach to this topic is an indication of your own less than stellar intellectual capacity!

  208. Gordon says:

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    I should just add, for the elimination of doubt, that I accept the conclusions of the article. I read the original text upon which this article is based.

  209. Gordon says:

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    For the elimination of doubt, I agree with the conclusions of this article. I have also read the text upon which it is based.

  210. Gordon says:

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    For the elimination of doubt, I agree with the conclusions of this article. I have also read the text upon which it is based.
    Are you only able to post one reply to a particular comment? I tried to post this clarification to the original poster, twice, without success!

  211. admin says:

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    The race differences in IQ mean

    1. Blacks have lower IQ, on average. Which means that they have lower academic achievement, on average. And yes, IQ has been researched for a century, it is quite clear that lower IQ people have less success in professional life, on average.
    2. Blacks are less represented in the extremes. No (or almost no) Blacks as Nobel prize winners in math and physics. Over-representation of Asians and Jews, instead

    So one particular Black can quite likely be more intelligent then me. But probably not more intelligent then the Nobel prize winner in chemistry.

    I did write about athletic prowess of Blacks, look at the race and iq thread in this blog. This is one of my points: races are different. One white among the top 100 m runners.

    And yes, black fecundity is part of Rushton’s theory. So much that they have earlier menarche and higher rates of twin birth. Not just behavior, but actual “hardwired” differences.

  212. Gordon says:

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    As my clarification posts indicate, I actually accept the conclusions of the article. They seemed not to post originally, but have since all appeared! :(
    I understand what the article was saying. I was challenging the trite response of the poster I responded to.
    Intelligent people can handle nuance.
    Dummies just see Asians>Whites>>Blacks!
    Although knowledge is better than ignorance, there’s tremendous scope for this research to be misused to persecute people!

  213. Georgia Resident says:

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    I love it when self-proclaimed black geniuses come to post comments about how evil and racist it is to talk about racial differences in intelligence, and end up proving the point.

  214. Albert kaku says:

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    I.Q test are archaic and can not test for creative intelligence, emphatic intelligence, social intelligence. A lot of psychologists disagree on the definition of “intelligence”. Current I.Q test can be considered to test for time spent in the western education system.

  215. admin says:

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    IQ tests, properly administered, are very powerful, very valid.

    They are mainly attacked by the same politically correct crowd that spreads nonsense like “race does not exist”, but then demands racial quotas for the races that don’t exist.

    Most true concerns have been taken into account. Of course, one should not test immigrants with tests mainly based on language, and blind people with tests based on graphics.

    Other forms of intelligence are not intelligence. They are skills, and yes, some of them are partially in-born. People just use the word “intelligence” to make them sound better. But, terminology is not so important, so let us talk about facts.

    They are simply empathy, creativity, etc and certainly can get you advanced in life. For same empathy and social skills, again, the higher IQ person will be more successful.

    The German school system that separates kids, at 10 years of age, into different schools, has been very maligned. Lower IQ kids get into vocational schools. And there they can flourish and become great plumbers or seamstresses. Instead of getting frustrated in College.

    Knowing one has low IQ one can find different focus in life. Like sales person instead of engineer. And knowing one is not social can help too, in order to avoid customer-oriented professions.

    And, again, IQ has been studied for a century on hundreds of Millions people. It is probably the best studied topics in Psychology.

  216. Jack says:

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    Do you know what Racism really means? It for one, is a belief, while the information above is science. The two are completely different. This has long since been an established fact, African Americans simply tend to score lower than Caucasians. That doesn’t mean there are no smart Africans, or that there are no dumb Caucasians. What it means is that two different sub-species evolved from different climates. Believing that large changes in climate and ecosystem didn’t have a small – but noticeable effect on cranial capacity and birth time, is ignorant. You simply can’t deny that genetics plays a role in intelligence, or else Monkeys would be just as smart as people, and Rats just as smart as Monkeys, and so on. I am not a Eugenicist. I believe everyone deserves a fair and equal chance. I’m the most liberal person you’ll ever meet on that subject. I even believe in stronger moral rights of certain animals. But that doesn’t mean facts are no longer true. Facts are facts. If you told me my neighbor had an IQ twenty points lower than mine, I would treat him with the equality I received. Believing anything else, is wrong. And accusing people like the author, and myself of racism, means you really don’t understand what the word means.

  217. gibo bermuda says:

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    So a child of an asian and a black parent would be mular to a white child mentaly??

  218. gibo bermuda says:

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    *similar

  219. Les différences entre les races – II « Unplugged: fini l'endoctrinement says:

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  220. Lee Ta E says:

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    Noticed verbal altercation between the whites and blacks here. Therefore, it is without doubt that the Orientals are the most reserved, less offended and less affected due to their genuine intellect and superior mental capacity..lol

  221. lokkin says:

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    I think, No I know this is “hog-wash”. I for one am Black, grew up poor in an “urban” area however I am also High-IQ depending on the test typically btw (127-132). I also have a child Black not mixed that has been identified as gifted, has an IQ high enough to qualify for Mensa and has been skipped a grade. That being said I think this study along with alot if not all standardized test ignore or do not give enough weight to environmental and socioeconomic factors. I’m a very visual thinker and remember an incident in a AP math class where I had difficulty with a set of word problems not because I didn’t understand the math concepts required but because I did not know what a trough was, by the time I got over my embarrassment and asked my teacher what it was he couldn’t believe that was the only question I needed answered to successfully complete the work and move on.

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  223. admin says:

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    What percentage Black are you, what percentage other races?

    How many Blacks do you know with similar achievement and intelligence? And how many Asians, Whites, Jews?

    You are 3 standard deviations above the black mean of 85. Asians and Jews with the same IQ are less then 2 Standard Deviations above the mean. You are just very rare for your race, rare as an IQ of 145 for a white person. Rare, but not impossible.

  224. pentazoid says:

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    Rushton theory that black people are ”r-selected” and that whites and “asians” are K-selected is complete and utter bullshit. He discounts the fact that at various times in history, the birth rate of black people and birth rate of whites were very similar to each other and doesn’t explained why “asians” as a group are generally smaller in body size proportions compared to “africans”, and the r-selection animals are generally smaller and K-selective animals are larger in body size.His climate hypothesis fails to account for why northern europeans did not developed advanced civilizations until their initial contacts with the romans and why don’t american indians have an IQ similar to that of ASIANS , despite being the closest genetically to people of north east asian descent. Brain size does not correlate with intelligence 100 percent . If it did, then their should be a huge IQ difference between men and women , and the IQ gap between men and women should be larger than the IQ gap of blacks and whites of the same gender.The minessota transracial adoption study doesn’t support Rushton’s theory because their were asian adoptees had a lower IQ compared to the IQ of east asian as a group.Also in the transracial racial adoption study, blacks tended to be deplaced at a later age than the other adopteees, so that would distort the results of the IQ scores.

    If your objective is really to discover the truth about why their are social and cultural discrepancies between various populations, you wouldn’t used Rushton work as a source. Not because of the claim he attempts and fails to verify with science, but because he implements a shitty methodology that he uses to draw his conclusions. Plus, Rushton gets most of his funding from the pioneer fund, an organization whose presidents wanted to deport black people from america and who supported various other eugenic policies. You would view all of the scientific literature on the topic , you would view all of the literature that draws different conclusions from rushtons and those who have criticized Rushton’s methodology and conclusions as well. You just don’t used one shady source that draws the conclusions that you agree with and then call yourself ” scientifically objective”

  225. admin says:

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    If you are really interested, read more of Rushton’s work, especially the abridged version of his book http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html

    You seem to be honestly looking for truth and understanding. Most of your concerns are honest and valid but can be explained.

    The Pioneer fund was the only one that would fund him, all others actively discriminate against such politically incorrect research. Rushton publishes and highly prestigious scientific journals, this is only possible if your work is scientifically impeccable. Even more so if you have such unpopular results

    I was wondering about US native Indians, I think similar to Australian aborigines or other low IQ Asians, they must have had a different development. It just happens ……… or Rushton might have a better explanation.

    Cranial size vs IQ has a formula that relates relative cranial size to body size. It is not absolute size, or else elephants would have the highest IQ.

    Rushton managed to rebut his critics, he has major peer reviewed articles replying to Nisbett and Flynn, showing some maior raisin picking or omissions on their side. I quoted some of these articles, or look at his site or University page for his publications.

    Most race realists are not anti-Black. All has been tried, to no avail. If you can help to make prosperous law abiding intelligent inventive cultures similar to a Chinatown in Detroit, US inner cities, or in any African country, if you can stop the decline of Zimbabwe agriculture and law and order, or of South Africa, power to you. If you can create black schools in the US with the same success as Asian and white schools, you will be my hero. 50 or more years of US government effort failed to do so.

  226. Pstarr says:

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    So if you and and an average run of the mill black person, had to compete in a pure aptitude test (least say in the rainforest) where both of you have never been, with tools you have never used before… in other words starting from ZERO with no prior context to help you other than a brief summary of the new tools and how to use them. And the black person won this contest… what would that make you? The dumbest person to ever walk the earth?

  227. Pstarr says:

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    So if you and and an average run of the mill black person, had to compete in a pure aptitude test (least say in the rainforest) where both of you have never been, with tools you have never used before… in other words starting from ZERO with no prior context to help you other than a brief summary of the new tools and how to use them. And the black person won this contest… what would that make you? The dumbest person to ever walk the earth?

  228. Pstarr says:

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    Because stats don’t mean a thing… if YOU can’t beat the stats. intelligence like everything else is an individual sport.

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  230. admin says:

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    The author did a profound study of the literature about IQ and race. He does not THINK black people are stupid, rather he found, counter to his politically correct education and indoctrination, that blacks, on average, have a much lower IQ then Whites. And Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQ

    Politically correct but factually wrong teachings spread hate. They make Blacks think that Whites are to blame for their misfortunes, not their own lower IQ, higher criminality and problematic black culture.

    Read more about race and iq

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    I grew up thinking black people loooooooved to blame all their problems on whites and racism………not because of what I was taught, but on what I observed……………hey, I’m observing it again!!!!!!

  232. TJ Tretman says:

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    I don’t this this shows any race is inferior. What some races lack in some categories, they make up for in other categories. I don’t know the validity of this information though.

  233. Asian dude says:

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    I have read Rushton’s unabridged publications, and I do agree with what the blog concludes and denotes.
    First of all, this has NOTHING to do with superiority. It is very obvious race differences that show up significantly (and consistently) on large meta-analyses of IQ tests data.
    Secondly, these race differences simply show how evolution works. It shows which strategy is the most successful upon thousands of years of natural selection. For the Ashkenazis and East Asians, that means to have higher IQ, and for the Africans, it means to have greater physical ability. Again, let me emphasize, it has nothing to do with superiority, it is simply how nature works. East Asians are mostly hairless, have the least natural muscular mass and development, are considerably of lesser height in comparison to the other races, and have larger cranial capacity. This strategy seemed to have work for those living in East Asia for thousands of years. Luckily and incidentally, now, at least in many fields of work and academics, this is advantageous for them. If the situation now demands more physical abilities to survive, they would be severely disadvantaged. In any sense, I don’t see any superiority in this. You only have one Jeremy Lin while most of the other players are African Americans or Whites. Please don’t be inclined to think that none of us East Asians want to be sportsmen as well, as there are just as many who do, and they have to work very hard just to get to the default fitness level of those of other races.

    Denying racial differences in itself is being racist. It’s like asking 1000 randomly sampled East Asians to go against 1000 randomly sampled Africans in the 100-meter run. Or a logical-spatial task derived from a standardized test. Just not fair.

  234. admin says:

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    Both Rushton and Jensen passed away recently. Research on race differences will be hampered by the PC police. New researchers with similar attitudes and results are unlikely to be hired or to get tenure.

  235. The Problem With Labeling… | bronzesugar says:

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    [...] inferiority and black people were thus labeled as stupid, lazy and frivolous.  There were even scientific studies conducted to prove that blacks people are less intelligent than white people because black people [...]

  236. John says:

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    Actually, it is Ashkenazi Jews > East Asians > Europeans > Semites > South Asians > Arabs > Mestizos > North Africans > Sub-Saharan Africans. That’s the general conclusion drawn from IQ studies.

    Southern Asians (Indonesians, Maylasians, Papua New Guinea’s etc..) are genetically further apart from their cousins in the East (Japan, South Korea etc…) and are found to possess lower IQ intelligence levels than them.

    I cherish academic honesty and integrity before all else and I just wanted to point out that ‘Asians’ as a collective continental identity spanning Indians to Papua New Guinea’s are not altogether possess higher IQ intelligence levels that Europeans. Many of these South Asian countries possess IQ level below 90, well below the median average of Europe.

  237. admin says:

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    Absolutely. I appreciate this elaboration.

    Can you elaborate exactly on the Asian intelligence, where and why there is a divide between High IQ and low IQ Asians?

    Is it East Asians? West Asians? Are Vietnamese, Cambodians included? All of China or only part of it?

    Who exactly are Ashkenazi Jews? The white Jews?

    The main focus always is on Black IQ vs White IQ. The other races are not clearly divided and explained. Thanks again for your comment.

  238. BobS says:

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    Might be the admixture of earlier hominids: Africans are pure Homo sapiens*. Caucasians have 4-6% Neanderthal genes, and most Asians have an additional 2-8 % genes of a much earlier Siberian hominid: the Denisovans, at least as old as Homo erectus of H. ergaster.

    Before we domesticated the dog (while the dog domesticated us) we (black Africans was the only variety available 70.000 years ago), we had 15 % more brain weight! Smaller brain happens to all domesticated animals.

    * there is a very small pygmy tribe which shows admixture with DNA of another hominid,probably never to be found (jungle not good for fossilization).

  239. BobS says:

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    Might be the admixture of earlier hominids: Africans are pure Homo sapiens*. Caucasians have 4-6% Neanderthal genes, and most Asians have an additional 2-8 % genes of a much earlier Siberian hominid: the Denisovans, at least as old as Homo erectus of H. ergaster.

    Before we domesticated the dog (while the dog domesticated us) we (black Africans was the only variety available 70.000 years ago), we had 15 % more brain weight! Smaller brain happens to all domesticated animals.

    * there is a very small pygmy tribe which shows admixture with DNA of another hominid,probably never to be found (jungle not good for fossilization).

    -‘The immune system’s HLA alleles have drawn particular attention in the attempt to identify genes that may derive from archaic human populations. Although not present in the sequenced Denisova genome, the distribution pattern and divergence of HLA-B*73 from other HLA alleles has led to the suggestion that it introgressed from Denisovans into humans in west Asia. Indeed, half of the HLA alleles of modern Eurasians represent archaic HLA haplotypes, and have been inferred to be of Denisovan or Neanderthal origin.[17] The apparent over-representation of these alleles suggests a positive selective pressure for their retention in the human population.’-

  240. Kokiris says:

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    If you consider intelligence to be a factor in superiority and inferiority. I would personally say nature has balanced it fairly well, with (Subjectively) “good” traits in each race. So far what I’ve looked up has all said the same thing asians are smartest yet not quite physically inclined white people are intermediate at everything and black people are not quite the smartest but the best physically inclined but these things are determined more on chemicals in everybody and their potential through genetics. Certain genes are more prominent in certain races, obviously … the anti-racist dogma was an attempt to eradicate racism quickly, stamp it out so it wouldn’t return. Brain washing every generation and not properly researching and educating them about these sort of things was quite irresponsible. Though I think that if it went the other way instead of the way it is now, the black populace i’d assume would be very outraged. I understand that but they should be informed clearly about their own positive traits … such as quick maturity higher testosterone making them more physically inclined. Though I know it’s quite useless in the environment they might be in now it’s still good to know you beat everybody else at something. Whites don’t get that. They get to be in the middle, neither great or horrible in anything. Think of that … but some would observe that that’s a benefit in and of itself, not overwhelmingly weak, but not overwhelmingly strong. Not overwhelmingly unintelligible but not overwhelmingly intelligent. In the middle, that balance is quite an advantage in development in new environments, smart enough to do things, strong enough to survive. Not strong enough to dominate. Not weak enough to die. Though looking at it with this sort of perspective limits your thoughts, the fact is … intelligence is ultimately the deciding factor. You aren’t physically inclined enough to do something? Use your intelligence to get around it. Humans are the best because of this … and you don’t have to be a scientist to make that realization.

  241. Kokiris says:

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    I’m white, I agree. Asians are the smartest … I’ve never seen an asian argue against stereotypes I’ve always (Irresponsibly) assumed they just were to good to come down to the level of arguing about what they may have seen as such pointless topics.

  242. Kokiris says:

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    Where is your testing? Where is your analysis? I want your research. Quoting one singular manuscript which could be completely tangible, is not evidence, that is still just conjecture. Why are you aiming it at europeans? Shouldn’t you be talking also about the asians? Which pretty much outdid what you said in every way at the time. I could give you evidence of that if you want …

  243. admin says:

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    Check the links. Read Rushton’s abridged book first.

    If you really want research, look at the unabridged version of Rushton’s book with citation for every single statement. Go to medlib or other science libraries and search for J. Philippe Rushton.

    Go to Rushton’s web site and see his publications. Read more on our category about race and iq.

  244. Amanavarapur_India says:

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    I hope nobody actually believes that simply sharing white parents is enough to control for motivators, education, and social interaction. Is there anyone who associates with another because their parents have more in common? Black children will face different interaction with educators, different cultural experiences that manifest in differing performance motivation, and will be members of different social cliques, adopting the mannerisms and language of thought of their peers as children. Not to mention stereotype threat. A precise language of thought and vocabulary itself is essential to dispose one toward critical thinking.

    Secondly, orientals are not native to the US, and neither are whites and Africans. Orientals that travel to the US are part of a self-selected group. Africans are the descendants of tribals that were enslaved by their own and Arabs / Europeans.

    As someone as unbiased and open to evidence as yourself, I’m sure you will change your world view. America’s tested IQ a century ago would have been about 70 by today’s standards: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444032404578006612858486012.html.
    IQ scores in the US are higher today than they ever were, even when a more disproportionate demographic of the population is black and brown than ever before.

    Race categories, themselves, are inventions. The latest human migration out of Africa left a diaspora about 30k years old; that’s over one thousand generations ago. If you want to group people by ancestry, we can draw the divide at any of at least 1000 points along our lineage. The fact is, race is a charged word, an invention of the Victorian era with a mythos built around it that is nigh impossible for people to give up. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies often use race denominations in describing who should be weary of disposition toward various diseases or reactions to particular drugs. But that’s not because race isn’t biologically arbitary; it’s because people aren’t familiar with particular phenotypes, and are much more familiar with, and readily identify with, race, so naturally, we label data clusters according to race.

    Race cannot even be said to be ancestry; some African tribes will be ancestrally more closely related to other races than other tribes. Most europeans, for example, are descendants of the Bantu tribe. The fact is, the full range of intelligences, and indeed all phenotypes, exists within the African continent. Not only that, but the intelligence that distinguishes modern humans from all of her ancestors, evolved, and was selected for, within Africa. There is no evidence that selection pressures in Eurasia for higher intelligence given the niche our species occupied were any different than those within Africa.

    The body of evidence against the far-fetched conclusions of these ‘racialists’ is quite monumental; but of course, when it’s not the science but the conclusion that’s important, it’s hopeless to try and reason with their sort with all the evidence in the world. Chances are, many ‘racialists’ will continue to view the world thru race-colored lenses and cling on to whichever studies and scientists support their narrow worldview regardless of what’s argued to the contrary.

    Lastly, as someone who does research for a living, finding data clusters isn’t interesting per se. Some degree covariance between any two factors chosen at random is almost a given. For me, the question is, what is the meritocratic reasoning for distinguishing on the basis for race rather than infinite other factors and the biological ambiguity of race denominations. Moreover, why the focus on race, when if we wanted to discriminate on the basis of intelligence, whites should consider some Africans as more closely related than other whites.

    With respect to political correctness, I hope as many studies are carried out on the matter by as many scientists as possible. The fact is, avoiding these topics does more to give fodder to racists who apply their lack of understanding to an incomplete data set and draw whatever conclusion they had been disposed to all along.

  245. Andy says:

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    It is blatantly obvious blacks are so very unintelligent. They are braggarts, loud mouthed, aggressive bigots and definitely stupid. Look at Africa, no roads, no brick or stone buildings, no domesticated animals, no writing… Zanzibar is just off the coast of Tanzania but was discovered by Sri Lancans from several thousand miles away, the blacks could even think to build a boat.

    Look round the world, find the slums and foul housing conditions – who is living and creating that – the blacks. Look at what they are doing to cities in the US and UK – blacks should not be brought near to civilised society.

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  247. admin says:

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    Unfortunately you have not link, no citation, just some vague musings.

    If MIT has classes about racial differences in IQ on the web, feel free to post the links.

    If they are scientific and truthful, they will mention the obvious and unassailable differences.

    If they are dominated by Political Correctness rubbish, then they might deny the truth.

    Please peruse my dozens of posts on the topic race and iq

  248. Alex says:

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    It doesn’t matter if blacks really have low IQ or not, if you say it, then you are advocating white (and asian and jew) supremacy, whether you like it or not. Humans are programmed by nature (who “designs” life through genocide, Darwinian evolution in a nutshell) to exterminate people with low IQ. Just look at some comments here as proof. The dogma that all races are equal is today the only thing preventing the extermination of blacks and other disadvantaged races. It is very obvious that unlike in Gallileo’s case, there is good reason to repress research when it comes to IQ and genes.
    Genome researchers may claim they have the best intentions but since they are busy looking for intelligence genes instead of researching genome editing techniques they obviously want to detect specific genes to get rid of people with specific traits, in other words, eugenics. Of course, since aborting babies and killing embryos is now PC (thanks idiotic leftists) they can do it without sending people to gas chambers. But it’s still the “final solution”. The same goes from everyone whoever wrote this article and all the “race realists” who want to help Africa with apartheid. I’d rather just let Africans do what they want. Ironically the “race realists”, intentionally or not, are advocating the same crimes as the overt racists of the 19th and 20th centuries. The PC dogma ultimately helped more the blacks than anything else in history, allowing them to at least live like humans during the last few decades. It’s no solution either but a decent stopgap until the root problem, which is Darwinian evolution, gets fixed.
    The real solution would be to no longer be enslaved by our genes, but that is so far away by that point blacks, latinos, maybe even whites may be already extinct, thanks to Jensen, Rushton and most of its successors who are more interested in slaving and killing people than in getting rid of our genetic shackles.

  249. admin says:

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    First of all, there also is the opposite. Persecution and genocide of the more intelligent, out of petty envy and jealousy. Happened in Hitler Germany with the high IQ Jews, in Africa with Chinese. The Khmer Rouge and other communist genocidal ideologues killed all the able more intelligent people. And nowadays, there are quotas to disadvantage the more able people.

    Also, all societies like to import low IQ people for menial task, the Mexicans in the US, the Turks in Germany. It would be better to employ the people you already have in the country.

    Finally, hate and violence arise out of the false ideology that it is the white man’s fault that Africans did not invent the wheel, the transistor, the computer, higher math, air planes and the iphone. And it is the white man’s fault that Black governance and Blacks ruined Detroit. It is the white man that makes Blacks commit gang violence. And that women don’t make many inventions either if the fault of the patriarchy. All this after half a century of blatant favoritism of Blacks and women, called affirmative action.

    If I thought that all my misfortunes are someone else’s fault, I would be angry too.

  250. admin says:

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    fiddling with genes to change human genetics for better is quite impossible and very unethical due to unforeseeable side effects. Now, eugenics has happened for millennia. The more able ones had more offspring. And now it has been clearly inverted. Not only between races, but within races the more successful ones have less children, and their taxes pay for the upbringing of the less intelligent and less well behaved children. As a net result, we have less productive intelligent people in future generations. Thanks to PC.

    Rushton and Jensen just want to tell the truth, and want us to find policies based on truth.

    For example, the old German method to separate low IQ children at age 9 and put them into excellent vocational training. Instead we torture them in high schools they can not possibly succeed in, delay their progress in life and prevent the progress of the more intelligent children.

  251. Alex says:

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    Blacks don’t need PC to hate whites. Just being second-class citizens will do. IMO eugenics is the most inhuman atrocity which was itself responsible for the Holocaust (though Hitler wasn’t an eugenist himself, he borrowed ideas American eugenists had to get rid of blacks) and of course, apartheid. Nature can’t help but be inmoral since it’s not a living being (not to mention the universe has no concept of morality), but for humans to imitate nature intentionally is doubly inmoral. The whole idea of evolution through genetic determination and death is inmoral and the root of most evil in humanity. Finding policies based on truth won’t solve the problems, it will merely justify the current apartheid-lite and wage slavery we have now, or make them even worse.
    We are still a couple of decades away to be able to do genetic engineering in humans, hopefully they can work out the kinks. It has its risks, but it’s the most ethical alternative, and it’s based on truth. Unfortunately it seems that the genetic researchers are more interested in killing embryos than in fixing them. Not to mention the current practice of creating more embryos than necessary then freezing them and eventually destroy them.

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