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Feminist arguments against prostitution debunked

Devils Advocate — Tue, 04 May 2010 23:27:15 +0000

I have been converted by the arguments of the antifeminists, that

the feminist movement’s main goal is to reduce male choice in female partners, to force men to dedicate their lives to unattractive, high spending, ruinously expensive feminist sex partners.

I add to this my hypothesis

The balance of power between men and women tilted in favor of women because

Men mostly stopped using physical & economical power,
women maintained their superior social manipulation power and thus,
world-wide, women are biasing laws totally in their favor in clear detriment of men

In evolutionary times (EEA, environment of evolutionary adaptedness), males had superior physical strength, fighting skills, and economical power as meat providing hunters.

Females, to defend their interest, had to use social skills, social manipulation, shaming, intrigue, cunningness trying to counter male physical superiority (anyone got research links on that?)

Now males surrendered the advantages of physical strength, even of economic strength. Suddenly, in the last half century, in the male-female conflicts of interest, all the female agendas win in politics. Feminists hide their agenda behind absurd warped arguments, shaming, willful misuse of language,

Feminists argue that prostitution is dangerous, unhealty, unpleasant, demeaning, not a free choice. These arguments that can be brought against menial jobs, professional boxing, military service. Personally, I think that spending one’s life fixing up people’s teeth, staring into smelly mouths all day long, is demeaning. And going to a war that one is opposed to, this is like a year long repeated rape.

It is amazing with what kind of dis-information feminists get away with. I will analyze a frminists views about prostitution from a Wikipedia text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution#Coercion_and_poverty

Feminist argument	Absurdity of feminist argumentation
Many feminists are strongly opposed to prostitution, as they see the practice as a form of violence against women, which should not be tolerated by society [...]	Many men are strongly opposed to military service, as they see this practice as a form of violence against men, which should not be tolerated by society. Military service often is involuntary, and desertion punished by execution.
These feminists argue that, in most cases, prostitution is not a conscious and calculated choice.	{Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing, panhandling, begging, robbing, military service} in most cases, are not a conscious and calculated choice. Getting a husband that pays spousal support for the rest of his life is a much better choice.
Most women who become prostitutes do so because they were forced or coerced by a pimp or by human trafficking, or, when it is an independent decision, it is generally the result of extreme poverty and lack of opportunity, or of serious underlying problems, such as drug addiction, past trauma (especially child sexual abuse) and other unfortunate circumstances.	{Panhandling and begging,robbing} may be caused by childhood traumas, abuse, drug addiction. {Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing} are usually the result of extreme poverty or caused by unfortunate circumstances. Furthermore, feminists simply deny the existence of cases of rich well off prostitutes. See “Belle de Jour”: Cancer Scientist financed Doctorate with Prostitution Work
These feminists point out that women from the lowest socioeconomic classes—impoverished women, women with a low level of education, women from the most disadvantaged racial and ethnic minorities—are overrepresented in prostitution all over the world.	Let us point out that women/men from the lowest socioeconomic classes—impoverished women/men, women/men with a low level of education, women/men from the most disadvantaged racial and ethnic minorities—are overrepresented in {Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing, military service, panhandling, begging, robbing} all over the world.
"If prostitution is a free choice, why are the women with the fewest choices the ones most often found doing it?" (MacKinnon, 1993)^[9	"If {Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing, military service, panhandling, begging, robbing} is a free choice, why are the women/men with the fewest choices the ones most often found doing it?" (MacKinnon, 1993)[9 why do feminists get away with such drivel and even get academic recognition? Even men kind of buy this ridiculous feminist BS.
Most prostitutes are in a very difficult period of their lives and most want to leave this occupation.	Most {Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing, panhandling, begging, robbing} professionals are in a very difficult period of their lives and most want to leave this occupation. Except highly successful professional boxers, and highly successful prostitutes, whose existence the feminists duly ignore.
Catharine MacKinnon argues that "In prostitution, women have sex with men they would never otherwise have sex with.	We argue that "In {Street sweeping, toilet cleaning, professional boxing, panhandling, begging, robbing} , women/men clean streets they otherwise never would clean, fight men they otherwise would not fight.
The money thus acts as a form of force, not as a measure of consent. It acts like physical force does in rape." ^[11]	The money thus acts as a form of force, not as a measure of consent. It acts like physical force does in slavery."

Anti-prostitution feminists argue that prostitution is a practice which leads to serious negative long term effects for the prostitutes, such as severe trauma, stress, depression, anxiety, self medication through alcohol and drug abuse, eating disorders and a greater risk for self harm and suicide	Prize fighting, boxing, heading a ball in soccer leads to serious long term health effects, potential brain damage. Being a high executive, manager, causes severe long term consequences like stress, heart attack, obesity.

It is amazing how feminist women get away with manipulating language, distorting facts, and got their agenda all the way up to the United Nations. And thanks to their deceitful language most men somehow get swayed by their warped arguments.

Term	common definition	feminist extension & re-definition	provocative re-definition
victim	somebody or something harmed; somebody duped	$ 400 an hour luxury prostitute "victims", that earn much more then most of their customers	the prostitute’s customer is the victim of his raging hormones that make him spend too much money
selling a body	sale is a final one time transaction that changes ownership. Like selling into slavery.	"sale" is a one hour "rental" to provide an hour of sexual services.	A construction helper sells his body for money in exchange for often unhealthy work; a fire fighter, a soldier, a full contact figher sells his body, risiking his health and his life. A journalist, physician, engineer sells his brain to provide services to people.
violence against women	an act of aggression (as one against a person who resists); princeton.edu/perl/webwn Violence is the expression of physical or verbal force against self or other, compelling action against one’s will on pain of being hurt. … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence	exchanging sex for money by mutual agreement (is violence against women). A woman that pays money to put up an ad offering sexual services. If you answer the ad you are violent against the woman.	obviously, drafting a non-volunteer soldier for war is violence against men; obviously, a firefighter who sells his body to pull people out of burning houses is violence against men; by feminist definition, even a construction worker who sells his body to lug wood and cement, is suffering violence, because he would rather be at the beach or receive welfare.

Am I the only one that is lost why people buy this BS, why they have offer academic carreers to such manipulative, cunning, deceiving, misleading and totally illogical people?

Why they influence even United Nation Policy?

Why are men stupid enough to let themselves be lead astray by such arguments? Seems women really have more verbal intelligence then men.

I rest my case.

Sex trafficking: An US American problem too?

admin — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:13:45 +0000

Feminists and others that are opposed to prostitution puposefully confuse issues like:

voluntary vs. forced prostitution,
adult vs adolescent vs child prostitution.

Here is an analysis of such a confusing article that allows for an adolescent to be a “trafficked child” even when there is no trafficker.

But the human traffickers who ensnared her had a different vision for Lena, shipping her to America and exploiting her in the sex industry for profit. They met her at the airport with news that her study abroad placement had been changed. She was given new bus tickets and sent off to Detroit, Michigan. Once there they took her passport and her freedom.

After almost a year of enslavement, Lena risked her life to make a daring escape.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/25/carr.human.trafficking/index.html

Now lots of questions arise. How can a girl be kept imprisioned for a year, while in constant contact with customers? Are there any details that were omitted? did Lena really come with an I-5 Student visa? How come her schoold did not miss her? Or was she smuggled into the US, consensually?

Now, in the US, prostitution is illegal. This might be a good reason for girls to claim being a trafficing victim when caught. But, let us suppose the story is true. I believe such stories exist, but they are probably very rare.

The “Human Trafficking Clinic at the University of Michigan Law School [...] works to identify solutions to combat human trafficking“. I am here to help to identify such solutions:

How can such tragedies be avoided? Well, this is similar to the drug industry: legalizing lighter drugs would solve a lot of the crime connected to drug trading. Equally, the problems of true human trafficing can be solved by methods that Mrs. Carr probably would not endorse:

legalizing prostitution and
legalizing prostitution by foreigners by emitting work visa to sex workers

would make most human trafficers jobless. Easy availability of 18 year old legal prostitutes would probably reduce the desire for 16 year old illegal jail bait.

Now Mrs. Carr somehow changes topic. Lena was seemingly not underage, but she mixes these things up with child prostitution. Children are under 12 or under 14 years old, but prostitution of adolescents does not sound as catchy as child prostitution, so conveniently, Mrs. Carr introduces some more confusion.

Children who are selling sex in the United States are then, by definition, victims of human trafficking. Despite this, child victims of sex trafficking are frequently viewed as criminals rather than as victims.

Here it is. A 17 year old runaway, a 17 year old drug addict who prostitutes herself, is called a victim of human trafficing. It is nice that Bridgette Carr honestly admits to using purposeful misleading language. There is no trafficer, the girl is on her own, but there is a victim of human trafficing.This skillfully manipulative perversion of language would make Josef Goebbels proud.

Victims should not be described as entering into prostitution; they are being exploited and should be described as victims of human trafficking.

This unusual language use is meant to foster the purposes of feminist and religious zealots by confusing the general populace who does not profoundly analyze what is being said.

To foster their agenda of reducing male and young female sexual choices, they create utterl confusion about very diverse issues such as

5 year old children who get raped by use of violence and force (an obvious crime by all standards, independent of age of victim, but aggravated further by age of victim which is physiologically and psychologically not ready, and by bodily harm inflicted)an
consensual exchange of sex for money between an adult sex worker (prostitute) and a client, which is legal in many countries.
This confuses all of course all intermediate steps such as:
1. consensual sex of teenagers between 14 and 17 (falsely and manipulatively called “children”)
2. non-violent fondling of minors
3. voluntary prostitution by teenagers almost 18 years old
4. rape of adults
5. rape of males: interestingly none of these people are concerned about prison rape. This is a deadly danger due to violence and HIV, and an issue so dangerous that even Mike Tyson had reason to be concerned about being raped in jail. Raping Mike Tyson would have been the ultimate trophy for a macho jail gang boss.

The data on human trafficking is sparse, but what is known is terrifying. It’s already the second largest criminal industry in the world — behind only the trade in illegal drugs — and it’s growing fast. The global commercial sex trade exploits one million children annually. At least 100,000 and perhaps as many as 300,000 children in America are victims of sex trafficking each year.

Is there any proof? 300 000 children in America victims of sex trafficing? Even with such definition that lone youngsters prowling the street looking for customers?

There are about 300 Million people in the US, a quarter of which are under 20. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

So maybe 60 Million are under 17. 300 000 of these, half a percent, one of 200 of children, one of 800 inhabitants are victims of sex trafficing? Where are they? In a city of 8 000, we would expect 10 such underage prostitutes, in a city of 8 million, Mrs. Carr would expect to find 10 000 such victims. And how many customers would each such victim have? A prostitute can easily have 100 customers, and they are overwhelmingly male. So one in 8 inhabitants, or one in 4 male US citizens would be customers of these underage kids? Ok, there might be repeat customers, so maybe only one in 30 US citizens is a regular customer of underage prostitutes?

Human-Stupidity is in favor of honestly and squarely facing and discussing issues and solving problems. In favor of research, science, honesty. Against confusing issues to foster hidden agendas and dogmas. Disagreements about issues and policies should be discussed honestly and openly, not hidden behind manipulative language.

In this content the daring theory of the antifeminist.com rings true

In a sense then, my thesis that feminism is an aggressive response to technology that widens the sexual choices for men, is indeed a scientific theory.

http://www.theantifeminist.com/jessica-valenti-feminists-ban-sex-dolls/

Obviously, as learned readers of this blog will know by now, as well as anybody with an ounce of common sense, Valenti and her fellow feminists want to ban sex dolls because such things, increasingly realistic, threaten to give men sexual independence from women.

Now I learn that feminists in Canada are already drawing up legislation that would limit the sale and ownership of sexbots – realistic androids created for the sexual gratification of men.
http://www.theantifeminist.com/feminists-seek-legislation-over-sexbots/

When sex toys were mainly vibrators that gave women sexual independence from men, feminists avidly endorsed sex toys. This relates to the initial topic: feminist and religious zealots use manipulative language to foster their personal agenda.

“Belle de Jour”: Cancer Scientist financed Doctorate with Prostitution Work

admin — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:13:39 +0000

Today a positive example, against human stupidity: An independent professional women comes out of the closet and admits she enjoyed her work as a prostitute to finance her doctorate studies.

Last month John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, said on his Web site that “fiction” like “Belle de Jour” created a “myth” that sex workers were “independent women, empowered by the hold they have over men.”
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/11/16/sex.blogger.identity/index.html

Well, Mr. Archbishop, the myth is true. And independent empowered women made money with the power she had over men! Not a poor victim of male violence, as feminist myth and religious zealots want to insist. Maybe the true victims are lonely men that paid prices as high as 300 pounds per hour.

The 34-year-old said she became a call girl in 2003 to support herself in London while completing her doctoral thesis after realizing she had no qualms about being paid for sex.

She contacted an agency, working as a prostitute until late 2004, describing it as “so much more enjoyable” than an earlier job as a computer programmer.

Her online chronicle of her experiences attracted a huge following, prompting the publication of a bestselling book which was serialized on UK prime time television in 2007’s “Secret Diary of a Call Girl,” starring actress of Billie Piper

[...]

She said she finally broke her silence to answer her critics, including senior Church of England clergy, and because she feared an ex-boyfriend was poised to go public.

More links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_Jour_(writer)
Belle de Jour blog: http://belledejour-uk.blogspot.com/

Sex workers out of choice vs. true abducted forced sex slaves

Now let us be clear: there is real forced prostitution in this world, and everyone agrees that this must be combatted. The problem is that feminist and religious zealots confuse forced sex slavery and abduction and free choice to work as sex worker.

Here an example of real sex slavery

Sunarsih went to what she thought was a legitimate company. She received training in the basics of housekeeping, a passport for the first time.

“The company announced that an Arab employer was looking for a virgin, brown-skinned, tall housemaid,” she remembers. “I was chosen among hundreds. I was so happy, it was like a dream come true. I was so proud. My friends told me how lucky I was to be chosen that quickly.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/11/17/indonesia.sex.slave/index.html

She was harrassed, forced to do sexual services to the employers, fled and got into worse brothel slavery. I think everyone agrees that this is criminal and has to be suppressed.

But suppressing women who out of their free choice want to make a financial deal with a man willing to pay them for sexual services, is this really the government’s duty?

Human Stupidity: Irrationality, Self Deception » Prostitution

Feminist arguments against prostitution debunked

The balance of power between men and women tilted in favor of women because

Feminist argument

Absurdity of feminist argumentation

“Belle de Jour”: Cancer Scientist financed Doctorate with Prostitution Work

Term

common definition

feminist extension & re-definition

provocative re-definition

Sex trafficking: An US American problem too?

“Belle de Jour”: Cancer Scientist financed Doctorate with Prostitution Work

Sex workers out of choice vs. true abducted forced sex slaves