Diferências raciais em inteligência: como superei o preconceito “todas as raças são iguais”.

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#1 by Hudson Firesys on 12:21 AM - 12:21 AM

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This point of saying that race does not exist is something stupid and baseless, it’s just a social thing, an attempt to erase the face of miscegenation in America(Continent) countries.

Race is something possible to distinguish by the most ignorant person when it comes to science,all animals have a racial differentiation, it is stupid to say that the human is not the case, is something desperate.Most likely to say is that the human admixed (or multi-racial) is not a specific breed, a code of racial identity.

Race influences but the issue of intelligence, the history of mankind can already test it very well,the evolution of civilizations and other factors prove that there is a”maximum”intelligence that only a few humans can achieve.Race is not just skin deep, is the union of several physical features among others acquired through a process of evolution or adaptation.

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#2 by Gary on 10:31 AM - 10:31 AM

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People talk about averages all the time. Lets look at nobel prize winners. China, with 1 billion people, has won only 5, Japan with 160 million, only 17. Israel with 5 million people, 8 winners.
Germany over 160, United States, over 300.

So those people who have received acknowledgement of their work as being an advancement to mankind, are overwhelmingly non asian. If asians have higher IQs, why were their societies so backward? The japanses may invent play stations, but it was the west who invented quantum mechanics, electronics etc that was the basis for it all.

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- #3 by SkiFi on 06:28 AM - 06:28 AM
  
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  You see the main factor that boosted Europeans to research so fast was constant warfare as of the asians they were more calm the wars were more like for honour not just slavery and slaughter like in Europe. We had lack of space as Europeans were numerous in numbers and nations and language differences were great. We needed to conquer we needed to be better Europeans studied enemeies and adopted that is why we evolved into what we are now. Intellignece is nothing it is a limit in certain areas but fantasy the will for change under pressure.. critical situation this is what made us superior to any other race in the world. Dark ages made us strong. I even think the average IQ in EU is much higher than elswhere in the world. But IQ does not consist purely of one element a regular IQ test can find a stupid person very well but to see a difference for ppl above 115 IQ you need more than IQ test while a person capable of score 145 can end up with 125 while his thinking and way of seing thing is more abstract perhaps he has more points of view and also work under pressure while doing IQ test can lower his result. I know ppl which are supersmart but when it comes to IQ test they fail .. it has more to do with emotions. But what I was searching for nowadays is more a question if the average intelligence started to decreaase while people are not so openminded anymore, the fall simply under controll and modern slavery, humans are freelingly giving up freedom in exchange for money/debt I think that the humans 100years before us were more intelligent than we are now ..
  
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#4 by Gray-Color on 01:51 PM - 01:51 PM

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If it is true that Races do not exist and all are equal, then why we need to categorize some people as Black, some people as White, some people as Latino and some people as Asian?

If it is true that All are equal, then why the government policy must treat different groups of people in different ways?(Oop, “different” groups of people? Again? Tere is no “different” groups, damned it! They are all of the same! — Execuse me, sir, do you mean that all Americans are of the same color? Do you believe that yourself?)

The fact that we must enforce policy like Affirmative Action to provide privileged favors to specific group(s) at the cost of sacrificing the equal opportunities of the other specific group(s) of the country has underlined the irrefutable truth that not only the Races exist, but also there are differences between different races.

Lying is a crime, and should be condemned, while telling the truth isn’t. Telling the truth should never be threatened/punished/purged regardless how difficult it is to face the unpleasant truth.

And the only way to tell between lying and telling truth is to face nothing but objective evidences, data, trained observation & research. Let the evidences tell the story, stop the powerful & shameless politicians from name calling, label attaching and coercing citizens to not discuss issues related to their daily lives. There should not be any compromise in the basic principles of our Constitution, that is, the freedom of speech.

Only if human being has the courage to face the ugly truth then it is possible to figure out the feasible solutions to handle the problems existing between the races.

The paradox is originated from the fact that we are human being. And here is an epitome of all the Paradox shared by human being: Having the courage to wench brothel to risk the danger of HIV disease but having no courage to recognize HIV infected as to take the HIV treatment.

But everybody should keep this firmly in mind: HIV won’t go away just because you refuse to recognize its existance.

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#5 by X on 06:07 PM - 06:07 PM

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Unfortunately, there are no other “races” but the human race. Genetics has already proved that; take for instance the link below

http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

Moreover, PBS has a show on human migration and how we all human beings share a common “adam” and “eve” that existed in Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/dna/timeline_flash.html

As for the article you commented on, the IQ score differences may be due to chance – there is no report anywhere about statistical significance of the differences. In plain language, unless those differences are large enough they may be so due to chance. But let’s proceed further and assume they are significant; there are still problems with the argument.

One obvious issue is whether IQ itself is an appropriate measure of human intelligence. Ideally, a study like that should at least aim to provide other measures that either confirm or contradict the basic finding -that is doing unbiased research. Let’s accept that IQ is a valid measure -and indeed the best one – and other issues emerge.

IQ differences between “races” (genetically, a misnomer) may be environment-driven and therefore an environmental adaptation. If that is the case, I would expect those patterns not to change even after transplanting, say a black person to a white environment; if natural selection has played a role I would expect those patterns to change slowly (meaning: not at a rate that we can observe in the course of a lifeline or a couple of centuries) For instance, black people tend to dominate short-distance run races. Maybe that is the result that hunting in the African plains required good running skills that relate more with physical strength. By contrast, “Whites” and “Asians” higher IQs may have evolved because of the more demanding environment they faced. Added to the search for food -shared with blacks – they have to add the need to get shelter from ice-cold winters that do not happen in Africa.

Even accepting things that are controversial to accept -whether IQ differences are statistically significant, whether IQ is an appropriate measure of human intelligence – what the study may be showing is differences based on adaptation to different conditions.

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- #6 by soren on 11:34 AM - 11:34 AM
  
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  “Unfortunately, there are no other “races” but the human race. Genetics has already proved that; take for instance the link below”
  
  Um no… there are races as long as there are observable differences in separated genetic populations. Comparing the “genetic diversity” within and between populations is an apple and oranges comparison.
  
  “Even accepting things that are controversial to accept -whether IQ differences are statistically significant, whether IQ is an appropriate measure of human intelligence – what the study may be showing is differences based on adaptation to different conditions.”
  
  Um, duh…
  
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#7 by martin_uk on 12:39 PM - 12:39 PM

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What’s with this codswallop about Ngerians doing really well in Western countries. Their take up of welfare benefits is legendary in the UK. Something like one in three families from Nigeria receive housing benefit, compared to 1 in thirty immigrant families from Eastern Europe. The notion that all the Races are the same is so obviously false that only whites are stupid enough to believe it. Thank God power and influence is moving to China.

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#8 by Mtukwao Muungwana on 03:03 AM - 03:03 AM

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I am Black, in Sub-Saharan Africa. I concur with these theories on intelligency based on race. The environment has historically provided challenges to those in it, and therefore shaped coping mechanisms which have been incorporated into their genes through evolution.

That said, it does not make me less human, just a human with less capabilities in some areas and more in others. Sex tourism and some sports is a testimony to a fact that all races have something to contribute to other’s well being!

If that is not enough, then you have to devise some genetic engineering to speed up the evolution of blacks. Instead of hundreds of thousands of years it has taken the whites to develop superior IQs, the times will minimal!

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- #9 by admin on 04:40 AM - 04:40 AM
  
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  People with the least self control, lowest IQ, highest criminality have by far the most children. We strongly select for lower IQ people, independent of race. Even within the white or black races. We breed future generations with lower IQ and higher criminality. It is sad. So even without genetic manipulation, with simple breeding, we do the opposite of what you suggest.
  
  True genetic engineering is highly contested and quite taboo. But even positive selection is taboo, like using sperm of Nobel Prize winners.
  
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  - #10 by vee on 09:25 AM - 09:25 AM
    
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    Do you realize it was illegal to teach Black to read during slave times? And after Slaver people had to pick themselves up and go to work? no time for schools? and then Black children of Slaves were place in horrible schools being educated by the worst whites teacher or poorly educated Blacks? We have in the country long lines of uneducated Black people! Not Unintelligent Blacks, Uneducated or poorly educated. On top of the Poverty effect education, racism effects education, Home life effects education etc ect. Give them a chance to catch up to the generations of Highly educated Whites that they have to compete with.
    
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    - #11 by Tr.Qacy on 01:06 AM - 01:06 AM
      
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      How does black slavery in the western world explain that the world’s lowest I.Q.’s are in Africa?
      Africa is the cradle of civilization and yet its peoples have I.Q.’s consistently below 80.
      African-American’s scores are higher because they have genetically mixed with other races.
      This has nothing to do with poverty, education, racism, and slavery in the United States.
      If it did, the intelligence of native Africans would be more in line with Europeans and Asians.
      
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#12 by La Heretique on 05:38 PM - 05:38 PM

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I also flipped POV on race and IQ, in about 2003, after actually bothering to check the data instead of just watching the TV documentaries pumped out for the masses. Even more of a surprise was finding out that race/IQ differences being at least partly genetic was the most common POV among psych phds (only 15% support the environmental cause kiddies).

Also amazes me how few people actually know that a small majority of bio/forensic anthropologists support race as a concept, as do a mass of geneticists and biologists. Nice to see Martin_uk is busy reproducing the left wing media approved line and not bothering to look up the poll that was taken on this subject among scientists. He should also ask psych phds whether IQ is a good measure of IQ and if it is biased, Being familiar with the body of the reasearch and the studies, I can tell him he’s not going to be a happy man. The ONLY argument is ‘why are the IQ’s different?’ Qualified professionals know the tests work. Somehow nice middle class liberals like Martin always decide they know better that the people who’ve spent decades studying the subject.

Martin, FYI, modern human populations started to go there seperate ways about 130k ago, and you’d have to assume there’s been zero evolution regarding the human brain in that time for ‘no IQ differences’ to be true. As it is we know of at least two relatively recent mutations not seen in Africans but found in Eurasians. Relative brain size also varies, and exactly the way you’d expect ot to if brain mass was related to the IQ scores.

Always, people who obviously have zero familiarity with the hard science feel they know best, particulary if they once watched a PBS documentary.

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#13 by afraidso on 06:58 PM - 06:58 PM

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I went to a relatively small university with a relatively prestigious graduate program. This was in the US. This school, for some reason, received a relatively high number of African students that come to study in the US via a few very prestigious and competitive fellowship programs (that I’m sure most people have heard of but I won’t mention). So these should have been the cream of the crop so to speak. I am not racist and was friends with many of these students. Having class with them though, it was obvious that they were significantly less bright than the average white or asian student. They struggled much more with things relatively free of cultural bias, like conceptual problems linking flows of cause-effect via diagrams etc. This is quite anecdotal, but matches the research presented here.

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- #14 by vee on 09:17 AM - 09:17 AM
  
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  you think maybe the Africans never even seen a Cause-effect diagram before? something we are exposed to in Middle school? And you compare yourself and Asian students to him, when you don’t even know what type of subjects or methods of learning was was exposed to? And you think YOUR intelligent?!!! wow
  
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#15 by emikd on 05:11 PM - 05:11 PM

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A simple question what part of the world not (race) is responsible for the most damage and pollution to the enviorment of the planet where we all live. then ask yourself is this self destruction really intelligent? I personally think that intelligence is a measure of progression with positive outcome rather than so called progression with negative prospects. People who beleive they are headed towards prosperity whilst leaving and causing kaos with their intelligence then leaving themselves with a situation far worse than they begun surely are not that intelligent in my “book”. For the the sake of argument lets ask ourselves which (race)

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- #16 by Tr.Qacy on 01:13 AM - 01:13 AM
  
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  Some “parts of the world” are not innately intelligent enough to invent and manufacture anything that might produce pollution.
  
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#17 by Alexander T. on 08:23 PM - 08:23 PM

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Sorry white people, I don’t buy your “I’m not racist” line. If you are subscribing to these theories of race and intelligence, you are racist. If you are still actively questioning them, then there’s a little bit of hope left for you.

I’m going to jump right to my point about why it seems that blacks are less intelligent. The culprit is religion. I tell black people all the time “it’s not your skin color, it’s your culture that’s to blame”. Being black and having grown up with blacks (how many of you all can say that?), I can tell you first hand that from the moment a black child enters the world, he or she is indoctrinated with a bunch of silly stories and superstitions that are then reinforced by the same mundane coincidences that occur daily. These reinforcements slowly begin to take the emphasis off logic and science and put it on superstitions that cannot be proven. This explains why there are so few black scientists, mathematicians, economists, engineers, etc and so many black social scientists, civil rights leaders, lawyers, judges, cops, etc. They are doing “God’s work” of providing justice. This is a race-wide problem. Compare sub-Saharan Africa to East Asia. Who produces more products, the people that believe in multiple superstitions or the ones who believe in that which can be proven, ie math and science? We can prove that 9×9=81. We cannot prove that killing 20,000 people per year keeps dead royalty happy (Annual Customs performed by the Dahomey who were subsequently wiped out by the French; amen). I know black people who are semi-rich who cannot spell simple words and wouldn’t know H2O from H2O2 or O2 from O3. They wouldn’t be able to find Brazil on a map. On top of that, I read a study that said a child born into a very religious family will be even less intelligent than his or her parents.

Go to an orphanage and get a black child, a white child, a hispanic child and an Asian child. Raise them together and keep religion totally away from them. Teach them math and science along with all the other things the need. By time they grow up, you will have 4 people of average to above average intelligence.

Do the same thing but feed them religion and you will have 4 unintelligent slaves who you can lead around just by saying “this is what God demands”.

Thus, blacks can do anything that other races can do once we excise the demon of religion from our culture. How long will that take? Unfortunately, I believe a very long time because the church is deeply rooted in our culture like a blood cancer.

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- #18 by admin on 11:24 PM - 11:24 PM
  
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  @Alexander T.: They raised black African and Asian orphan babies in white middle class families. Asian babies grew up to have an IQ of 112, Blacks of 93, as this article’s graphic shows. This was exactly the experiment you suggested, and that was what finally made me a racist, according to your terminology. Some people call it “race realism”. But you are right, conventional dogma and political correctness would call unbiased scientists “racists” if their peer reviewed academic research finds such politically incorrect results. Please read more at Race and IQ 1 and Race and IQ 2
  
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  - #19 by Alexander T. on 12:46 AM - 12:46 AM
    
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    @admin Not quite. In fact, I’m about to send you a very hot email. But nonetheless, there are quite a few studies showing that when we totally remove the religious component from black culture and raise a black child, his IQ comes within 1 point of a white. No one has done that experiment on a large scale, and I’d like to see it performed. You have missed my entire point. Religion is the blinder of black people. It discourages anything more than basic education. You eliminate that and suddenly all *your* arguments go out the window.
    
    All your “unbiased scientists” seem to have some sort of racial hangup, and you all’s continued efforts to say, in effect, “you niggers are naturally dumb” adds fuel to the black-white hate fire. You all look only at the scientific end without delving into the history as to how they got to this point.
    
    Let’s take Liberia for example. Put your nose in a history book and you will see that when the returned blacks came and were in power, there was peace. They were working on building an economy. Then, in 1980, the natives got restless and it’s been hell ever since. Similar events happened in Sierra Leone. The destruction of both of those countries has nothing to do with the return of the newly Westernized blacks. Being exposed to higher technology, economics, and trade pushed them far ahead of where they were before they were enslaved. Religion notwithstanding, they can go further. Even Liberia’s present president is of Americo-Liberian decent. Your argument that basically blacks are naturally stupid doesn’t hold water. Africans are VERY superstitious and have ingrained it into their culture to a much higher degree than anyone else and that causes their low IQ, socio-economic stagnation, very large families and low technological production rate. It’s not their skin color. Western Blacks are the same way. We can get much further now than we could in 1619, however if we could throw away the religion, we could get even further. As I said before *religion*, not skin color, blinds the mind from mathematics and science which are the hallmarks of man’s upward movements.
    
    Most, if not all of your so-called high IQ societies are secular. America has a lower average IQ because America is highly religious. Have you been to the south lately? Churches outnumber libraries. NASA didn’t locate there because of the high number of intelligent people (white OR black). In fact, my theory also explains why we don’t see much technological development coming out of the south. DARPA came from the west coast, as did Boeing and Microsoft. Most of our technological innovations, in this country, come from the Northeast and the West Coast — areas of low religious attendance and consequently, higher average level of education, and creativity.
    
    So please, knock it off with your scientific racism. Whites like you make me hate all white people.
    
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    - #20 by admin on 11:46 PM - 11:46 PM
      
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      @Alexander T. How do you know I am white? I say Asians are the most intelligent. Maybe I am Asian? or I just state scientific facts, irrespective of personal “selfish” racial interest.
      
      Maybe you personally have a very high IQ, irrespective of race. Or you might be mixed race, which interestingly still is called “black” even if the percentage of black genes is very low.
      
      Did you read the over 100 other comments by clicking on “Previous” below? The discussion is very interesting!
      
      Certainly, religion and “black culture” can negatively influence intellectual and economic success of blacks. But everything points towards a major in-born genetic IQ gap. So far, all expensive attempts to close the gap with educational measures have failed.
      
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      - #21 by J.M. on 03:27 PM - 03:27 PM
        
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        It`s pointless admin, Alexander doesn`t want to accept the fact that all people are not born equal, moreover he thinks that because he is atheist it automatically turns him into an intelligent person. WHatever you think about religion, the CHRISTIAN WEST was responsible for most of the scientific breaktthroughs that were necessary for our modern world (christian doesn`t mean the imbeciles your american audiences hold up as pastors.)
        
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- #22 by Tr.Qacy on 01:16 AM - 01:16 AM
  
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  It’s not religion nor is it culture–it is brain size.
  Brain size is measurable.
  It is quantifiable.
  
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#23 by rhayat10 on 12:16 PM - 12:16 PM

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Some have mentioned Joseph Graves. Here is a comprehensive critique/review of his book, “The Emperor’s New Clothes”:

http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/the-emperors-new-clothes-book-reviewcritique/

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#24 by Henry on 02:25 AM - 02:25 AM

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I suspect the author of this article suffered an inferiority complex before she embarked in her research which blatantly showcased her inherent racial biases and prejudices. She tries to legitimize her quest with a supposedly aversion to political correctness. Ya right!

First and foremost, there is only one race and it is the human race. If we weren’t of the same race, we couldn’t copulate among the different color groups.

The research table shows that we as humans are fanatic about giving ranks to anything, drawing conclusions from these ranks and applying conclusions to a whole group of people from a scanty set of subjects.

What is IQ? it is a small part of the intellectual ( reason) picture of a subject in a given time. IQ is not temporal as our ears, hands, feets or skin color. It is therefore not innate and can be improved over time according to a person exposure to an appropriate intellectual environment.

Do we really think Steve Jobs would have been Steve Jobs if he was raised in Syria? Would being born in Syria made him an inferior being because he may have not started Apple?
Our intellectual exposure and the basic gene of a sane mental cells plays a lot in the way we acquired knowledge.

Perhaps, age of intercourse for blacks is earlier and later for Asian in the table. Was the goal to caricature blacks as animal with a insatiable appetite for sex? If so, how come as a continent we have less people than China?

This article is a full of abusive generalizations that are erroneously passed as axioms. The intent goal is to reinforce the false assumption that black people are inferior to other colored-people( white, asians etc.).

I’d like to conclude by saying that racism is a natural reaction to her overly competitive societies. If one doesn’t want to become bullied by racists( anyone who despise you because of your color, religion, language), one need to educate himself. Racism cannot be fought with the emotion of the hearts.

Yes, all human being are not created equal(how do you define equality anyway) but our inequalities are not color-based like this obscure author wants to pretend.

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- #25 by admin on 03:11 AM - 03:11 AM
  
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  You confuse inconvenient facts with intent. These researchers are looking for the truth. They don’t have that intent. They try to find the truth.
  
  you have an intent. To show all races are equal. The facts and truth be damned.
  
  Perhaps, age of intercourse for blacks is earlier and later for Asian in the table. Was the goal to caricature blacks as animal with a insatiable appetite for sex? If so, how come as a continent we have less people than China?
  
  Same as above. you have an intent. To show all races are equal. The facts and truth be damned. We (me and the researchers) just have the intent to prevent YOU from distorting facts, and research, because of your preconceived politically correct dogma. We would be very happy if someone found a recipe to make all US and African blacks affluent law abiding successful citizens, better then any Asian in the US or China. Just that 50 years of affirmative action and help for Africa has not equaled US blacks to US Asians and has not produced any Korea or Taiwan in Africa.
  
  This article is a full of abusive generalizations that are erroneously passed as axioms. The intent goal is to reinforce the false assumption that black people are inferior to other colored-people( white, asians etc.).
  
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- #26 by soren on 11:53 AM - 11:53 AM
  
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  “First and foremost, there is only one race and it is the human race. If we weren’t of the same race, we couldn’t copulate among the different color groups. ”
  
  You are an f’n idiot. There are races as long as there are observable differences in separated genetic populations. Comparing the “genetic diversity” within and between populations is an apple and oranges comparison.
  
  Do you believe in dog breeds?
  
  chiwawa pitbull mix
  
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- #27 by Tr.Qacy on 04:46 AM - 04:46 AM
  
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  Your incorrect usage of the English language, vocabulary, and its parts of speech say more about you, the writer, than perhaps you intend.
  Your lack of intelligence is showing.
  
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  - #28 by Tr.Qacy on 04:50 AM - 04:50 AM
    
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    #27 comment is in reply to Henry’s #24 comment.
    
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#29 by free markets will regulate everything on 04:30 PM - 04:30 PM

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With all the effort spent on proving to each other that it`s your opponent who`s dogmatic, you, gents, tend to let some basic logical fallacies in the very article slip past you.

Put aside the IQ test being a paradigmally constructed quasi-scientific measurement, the author claims that the concept of it being created through expectancy effects can be disproved by stating that parents behaved as if their children were black, when, in fact, they were of mixed race, while the critical argument mentions the perceptions of “the school, classmates and society as a whole”. In the situation with the black-white mixed-race children the distinction between the “pure black” and “mixed-race” children is highly visible (the skin pigmentation differs). Now I`m going to make an assumption here that the white middle-class parents didn`t care specifically to go everhywhere after their black adopted child and explain to everyone in detail the racial identity of both of the kid`s parents. This brings us to a conclusion that no matter what the parents thought, the societal perceptions of “black” and “mixed-race” children, based on different visual perceptions, might have differed, just as it states in the text of the criticical remark Rushton is so quick to disclaim.

I do not try to apologetically defend the presented point of view – I am just stating that this particular attempt of disproving is based on a logically inconsistent explanation.

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#30 by Anon on 12:49 PM - 12:49 PM

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I don’t care if there is a difference in IQ between large populations on average. People should be evaluated individually. There are very smart and very stupid people of all backgrounds. I evaluate people on a person to person basis; a meritocracy.

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- #31 by soren on 11:59 AM - 11:59 AM
  
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  Good, which is why we should get rid of affirmative action…
  
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#32 by Amelia on 11:09 PM - 11:09 PM

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Wow. This article sucks. I stumbled across it while looking for new makeup looks (God only knows how THAT happened). I don’t care about facts. And yes I am white, but frankly whoe gives a shit? I am a human. We are all humans. Before we actively search for superficial differances in our genetic makeup in order to feel superior to others; why don’t we ask ourselves why? Why is it so important to you to prove that your race is superior? Why is it important to you to actively divide the world into “races”? You are an individual. What makes it so important to you to put another culture down? And don’t try to say “the truth” because that’s a lie. People are tribalistic. They fear the “other”, they always have. That’s what this is. People afraid of other people. And its all meaningless. We are equal under the rightful law, and we are equal in the moral law. Why does this “science” matter. And can I ask something? Who conducted this study? What university? Can we know that this “information” is legitimate? This IS the internet I’ll remind you. This has about as much truth to it as a kiss to a whore. Have fun losers, keep up the hate. It makes me laugh!

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- #33 by admin on 05:20 AM - 05:20 AM
  
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  We do research. Some people just want to know things. Find out laws of nature. Some people would like to help innner cities. Or Africa. And for that we have to understand the reasons why these places are poor and criminal.
  
  Most scientists believe that we can solve problems only if we truly understand them. So they want to know the truth in order to then find the best solutions.
  
  There are lots of links to studies, and inside the studies to other studies. If you are really interested, a true scientist, then verify all studies. Most are peer reviewed studies by real University professors according to recognized research methods.
  
  And yes, there still are individuals.
  
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- #34 by Tr.Qacy on 04:57 AM - 04:57 AM
  
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  Amelia–many people are studying sociology, not looking for makeup tips.
  There are people searching the internet for different scientific studies related to their graduate degree, for instance.
  Just because you stumbled upon social scientists discussing their studies while you were looking up information for what products to paint on your face, doesn’t mean that you have any idea what is being discussed here.
  
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#35 by jixiang on 11:47 PM - 11:47 PM

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The fact that medieval China had a well developed infratructure which impressed Marco Polo, while Africa didn’t, does not prove that the Chinese are more intelligent. In his famous book “Guns, germs and stell”, Jared Diamond explains the difference in technology and economic development between different parts of the world as deriving from geographic factors, and not from racial differences.
By the way, you suggest that Vietnamese, being Asians, are very intelligent, but if you go to Vietnam, the country is extremely poor and underdeveloped, as was China a few decades ago. How does this fit in with your views?

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- #36 by admin on 05:12 AM - 05:12 AM
  
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  Vietnam had an enormous war and a communist regime that held back China and Russia in spite of highly inteligent and educated people. Compare this with African war zones, they are doing pretty well. Compare it with Haiti even before the earthquake.
  
  IQ is not all. IQ works together with the environment. From what I understand, Vietnamese immigrants in the US are extremely successful, especially second and third generations. Good IQ with good environment, and still preserving good cultural values from their old cult
  
  Then compare the looting and unrest in the earthquake in Haiti and after flooding in New Orleans (mainly black) with the calm in Japan and other Asian Tsunami victim countries like Indonesia etc.
  
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#37 by jixiang on 12:07 AM - 12:07 AM

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You seem to me to be sliding more and more into attitudes against blacks which are frankly unacceptable. Even if their average IQ was slightly lower, how does this automatically translate into looting following an earthquake? These are clearly cultural differences, not differences in IQ. Even if there was a slight difference in average intelligence, always expecting the worst from black people in every situation is not right.

My point about Vietnam was trying to show that a country’s level of economic development and its people’s intelligence don’t necessarily correlate, especially since different countries compare differently to each other in different periods of history. China was poorer than Europe for a couple of centuries before “communism”, while it was much richer than Europe during the Middle Ages, even though the people involved still have the same genes.

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#38 by jixiang on 12:17 AM - 12:17 AM

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And another thing: I think there is a good argument for not doing research on which races are more intelligent, because the results will automatically lead to racism and make it harder for people to be evaluated as individuals.
If black people really do have lower IQ, it is better not to know that.

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- #39 by admin on 09:20 PM - 09:20 PM
  
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  @Jixiang: opting to close one’s eyes and intentionally avoid knowing the truth is an interesting option. Good you honestly state such intent.
  
  Of course, this creates serious problems. Blacks get angry because they believe their lack of academic success is due to discrimination by the evil white man. While it is solely due to the lower IQ.
  
  While white IQ is slightly lower then Asian IQ, black IQ is very significantly lower, about 1-2 Standard Deviations.
  
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  - #40 by jixiang on 12:44 AM - 12:44 AM
    
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    Yes, and this sort of reacial theorizing is exactly what the white minority in South Africa would seaze on to justify apartheid. After all, you wouldn’t want to live in a country with a govenrment elected mainly by blacks with a “lower IQ”, would you?
    
    If you took the thing to extremes , you could justifiy taking black people’s vote away in Western countries too. After all, they aren’t intelligent enough to know what’s good for them are they?
    
    Is it surprising that people get nervous about this sort of stuff? After all, it was only recently that blacks were genuinely denied rights because they were seen as inferior, and even enslaved. Seeing them as equals has been a great step forward for civilization.
    
    And as for being committed to the scientific truth, differences in racial intelligence are not exactly like quantum mechanics or something. We don’t need to know about it to have a better fundamental understanding of how the world works, and I posit that we had better continue not researching the subject.
    
    By the way, IQ is not at all universally accepted as an objective way to assess intelligence, so here’s another problem with your “scientific evidence” of differences in racial intelligence.
    
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    - #41 by Human-Stupidity.com on 07:06 AM - 07:06 AM
      
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      @jixiang: I would not even dare to say that myself, but I am slowly arriving at the same conclusions.
      
      Yes, and this sort of reacial theorizing is exactly what the white minority in South Africa would seaze on to justify apartheid. After all, you wouldn’t want to live in a country with a govenrment elected mainly by blacks with a “lower IQ”, would you?
      
      I believe crime is increasing in South Africa.
      Of course it is Apartheid’s fault http://allafrica.com/stories/201011251229.html
      
      http://www.economist.com/node/14564621
      
      http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0824/p09s01-coop.html
      
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      - #42 by jixiang on 09:44 PM - 09:44 PM
        
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        Here we go. You see why people object to this sort of theorizing? The next step is always the support of discrimination. By the way crime hasn’t increased in South Africa, it’s just that during apartheid the whites were shielded from it. The townships were always very violent. In any case if the whites don’t like living in a country run by the black majority, then they can leave. Or do people with a “lower IQ” not have a right to their own land either?
        
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  - #43 by vee on 09:07 AM - 09:07 AM
    
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    Because of a different culture idiot
    
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- #44 by Tr.Qacy on 05:03 AM - 05:03 AM
  
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  jixiang,
  There is no truth that should not be known.
  To avoid knowledge just because it may be politically incorrect would undermine all advanced society.
  Suppose scientists had decided not to tell people that their dirty hands were the cause of infection because it might reflect poorly on their hygiene.
  
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#45 by jixiang on 03:13 AM - 03:13 AM

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I would like to direct you all to this site, which is dedicated entirely to refuting the kind of arguments found here about black people, and has lots of scientific information on the matter:
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrcontents.htm

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#46 by vee on 09:04 AM - 09:04 AM

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First of all you cannot measure intelligent cross culturally. Blacks and whites have a different culture. So emphasize is placed on DIFFERENT areas of life. I’m sure if you take a bunch of high IO white people drop them off in the middle of Africa they would die, they would fail the IQ test of life. Why is it right that your IQ test is based on Physic or Math? When Blacks do not place and emphasis on those things? And then you test them based on what YOU quality as intelligent and they fail, than you say “see!! They are less intelligent then us!” And you can’t test a small group of Black in the U.S.A and say they stand for ALL Black people, especially since the Black people in the United States are only 11% of the U.S population. 7 billion Black people in the world, 8 million in the United States. A hand full of Black people in the United States do not stand for the whole Black race! Especially when the Black population in the United States are disproportionally: Poor, subject to discrimination, subject to poor education, battling drug abuse at home, crime in the neighborhood ,poor diet ect. Ect. Ect. And the when you go outside of the United States to AFRICA these people are more concerned with life skills, then book skills. So how can you give them a test base on things they do not study? How can you compare them to a totally different culture? That’s like me being a dancer saying that I think it’s smart if you can dance will, then I give a person an IQ test based on dance who has never danced or only dances as a hobby. YOU fail! you so stupid. Yet all along this person thought it was smart if they learned how to live off the land in harmony with the earth.

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- #47 by Tr.Qacy on 05:16 AM - 05:16 AM
  
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  You should consider doing some research on I.Q. tests. They are not about math and physics.
  Enviroment is responsible partially for intelligence, but genetics are responsible for much more.
  This has been established with studies on children adopted at birth by families of different races and socio-economic status.
  Black children adopted by white or Asian middle or higher income families had higher I.Q.’s than children raised by their black families or economically disadvantaged families–but only by a few points. Their scores were still markedly lower than caucasian or asian children.
  Asian children adopted by white families still had higher I.Q.’s than white children.
  Genetics still has more to do with intelligence than any other single factor.
  
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#48 by chenking on 03:11 AM - 03:11 AM

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since we know the black mind is inferior the question is how to make the black mind overcome this inferiority

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- #49 by admin on 06:05 AM - 06:05 AM
  
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  Calling the black mind “inferior” is more anti-PC then I dare to do. But denial of the lower IQ, lower impulse control causes anger and rage in Blacks. Blacks and politically correct Whites perceive Black lower status, lower income, higher prison rate as unjust discrimination, not as result of innate differences. Because the differences are attributed to the evil white man, his constant discrimination and repression, and to the long lasting effects of slavery centuries ago. In general, it is difficult to solve a problem based on totally false premises and theories. Nobel prize winner Watson was maligned for saying this about Africa. So once you see the facts of IQ differences, you then can start looking for solutions.
  
  The IQ differences can not be solved in any quick and sensible ways. So one needs to look how to productively engage lower IQ people. Giving higher value and salaries to honest manual labor comes to my mind. There might be an injustice why high IQ office work is valued so much higher then street cleaning, brick laying, or plumbing. Both financially and status-wise.
  
  Other conclusions are so un-PC that I don’t even dare to vent them there. Look for HBD, Human Bio-Diversity movement for more ideas.
  
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#50 by ErikEng on 02:17 AM - 02:17 AM

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Great, so blacks are not as smart as whites. Ok, and what does this do for your idividual life? Is constantly screaming about the achievements of your ancestors (I’m Asian) going to help you build a fortune 500 company? How about scoring a hot blond wife(if male, lol or if female)? The only problem I have with these websites and people who frequent them is that all in all they’re losers! they are no better than the “blacks” in my book. I have met some hard-core posters from Stormfront and believe me, they embody “white-trash”. It would seem the only thing the majority of whites have is the acomplishments of the few gifted whites and the “at least I ain’t a n!gger.” deal. Oh, and as for myself I’m studying Bio-Engeering at Georgia Tech, with six whites, four blacks, and eleven asians (including myself) and English is my second language. Here’s some free advice and instead spending your time telling everyone how great whites are why dont you improve your own life?

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- #51 by admin on 05:05 AM - 05:05 AM
  
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  White trash are in direct competition with Blacks for jobs and cheap housing. They feel the injustice of affirmative action and of tolerance for Black racist violence first hand, starting in school. And these simple people gravitate towards simple ideologies like storm front.
  
  Race distribution at your college confirms that Asians are totally over-represented. The number of Blacks is surprising, I have an inkling that affirmative action and quotas are involved. Also, Georgia probably has a high percentage of Blacks.
  
  I know there seems to be only one woman who has created a Fortune 500 company. How many Blacks?
  
  The differences in IQ, impulsiveness etc show 3-fold: the average Black is like an low IQ white. There are no Blacks with Nobel Prize winning IQ in hard sciences. And there are more Blacks in the lowest rungs, equal and below low IQ high violence “white trash”
  
  I agree with your facts, but not with your conclusions.
  
  False theories about Black IQ cause black anger (they think their low worldly success is the fault of evil whites), and causes false policy (which should be informed by scientific TRUTH and not by false myths of equality).
  
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#52 by Featherless Biped on 08:19 PM - 08:19 PM

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FWIW, I have the same sexual orientation as my adopted mother (lesbian) as opposed to my biological mother (heterosexual.) While there surely are genetic aspects to IQ, sexual orientation, personality, etc., you can’t discount the effects of parenting, either.

To put it another way, nobody thinks a white baby adopted by a ghetto single mother would sail easily through life based on having good genes.

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- #53 by Tr.Qacy on 05:24 AM - 05:24 AM
  
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  Actually, your conclusions are incorrect. Children adopted into BETTER circumstances DO have increased I.Q.’s, but not by more than a couple of points.
  Adopted children score close to their racial mean.
  Even if you change their enviroment, you can only change their I.Q. by at most 6 points.
  
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#54 by admin on 09:28 AM - 09:28 AM

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Motives, part 3: "the new racism": a great article debunking race deniers. Too sad that the current academic climate supports “scientists” who distort facts and provide absurd explanations to avoid facing the truth.

The following article gives more details about the trans-racial adoption study and its follow-up study
Research That Was to Prove Jensen Wrong Proves Him Right

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#55 by Larry Bond on 10:52 PM - 10:52 PM

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Interesting blog. I have another take on what causes the behavioural difference we observe between groups of people. (The biological differences are insignificant. I’m a biologist and agree with Colbert – I’m colour blind). I think it all turns on our cultural icons and how they have evolved and influenced how we have developed.

Why did the western culture develop the industrial revolution and then far surpass other cultures in developing science and applying it to it’s civilization? I think the answer is an from an unlikely and unappreciated source. Only the western culture has cultural icons that develop skeptical thinking in its population. I know education, or the western school system, may want to claim the credit but I believe Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy (The Holy Trinity) deserve the credit. Indeed each of these innocent children stories, once started, evolved into more elaborate deceptions in their detailing that made them more believable to impressionistic minds.

Why would parents deceive their children this way. What is the hidden cultural agenda? Why would such stories persist in the culture if it did not confer an advantage? These memes are very important.

What other culture so thoroughly convinces kids one thing and then at an early age bursts their bubble about it.

Most religious oriented cultures today discourage skepticism. Those in control of these cultures are threatened by skepticism. A “doubting Thomas” is a derogatory term discouraging any questioning of a culturally held belief. Faith is a virtue or advanced as such by these cultures. One could argue it keeps believers gullible and child-like and thus easy to control. Ironically the belief in the tooth fairy is frequently used to label adults as being too trusting and ready to believe anything.

I contend that these three unappreciated cultural lies promote healthy skepticism. Only when you can inculcate disbelief in children in such a joyful and playful way can you develop a questioning way of viewing the world and thus advancing it. At least I think it worked for me.

Cheers,

Larry

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- #56 by admin on 12:31 AM - 12:31 AM
  
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  Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy myths get debunked by every child. Thus they all learn skepticism. Intriguing theory. Any links for further study of this theory?
  
  I was always wondering why parents would blatantly lie to children. And, you are right, every single adult has already found out that the stories are lies.
  
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#57 by Ishen L. Jones` on 12:10 AM - 12:10 AM

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These findings are highly flawed. The only way to prove or disprove any of this is to have hundreds children all of different races placed into a group from with they are together from birth, or at least of an age at which they could not have already formed subconscious alignment towards anything. In which case there would have to be many controls set in place that I am fairly certain are impossible. You would need one sole caregiver, identical treatment, care, attention, living environments, choices, etc. Then there is also the many different personalities of these children to consider, which on its own makes any sort of research on this subject invalid. In conclusion until a completely unbiased and 100% sterile experiment of this nature is conducted, which could never happen. This theory can neither proved nor disproved, therefore this or any study on the mater has no grounds on which to claim it is correct. I apologize for any misspelled or misused words and all grammatically incorrect statements let them not detract from what I have said. If it means anything to anyone I am Black.

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- #58 by admin on 03:00 AM - 03:00 AM
  
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  Academic psychologists devised very clever experimental settings. Identical twins reared apart vs. together is the perfect science experiment with genetically identical children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Twin_Family_Study
  
  Furthermore, the right experimental design can observe random samples of normal, non-twin people exposed to different environmental stimuli and get to clear conclusions based on group differences in outcome. Basically large groups would compensate for the non-standardized treatments of individuals and avearage out to equal treatment in both groups.
  
  Don’t forget, racial differences in IQ, criminality are undeniable statistical facts, see US Dept. of Justice statistics. We are only discussing if the reasons are genetic, or if slavery hundreds of years ago can be blamed. Note that Blacks growing up among Blacks, with no evil whites nearby, don’t fare too well either. While Chinese, Koreans, etc, no matter how discriminated, flourish world wide, be it in the US or Africa.
  
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