A woman started a scuffle with a policeman over a jaywalking ticket. Then she resists arrest. Her friend shoves the policeman. The policeman, faced with 2 unruly women scuffling with him, punches one girl in the face and then arrests both.
Again and again, he [the officer] tried to subdue the 19-year old. But the struggle continued. Suddenly, from the sidelines jumped the girl’s 17-year old friend. She shoved the officer out of the way. […] He closes his fist, winds up, and lands a hard right to her face.
[Human Rights proponent:] I don’t excuse her behavior. She was clearly in the wrong. But again, a force of a punch to the face is not justifiable.
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Human Rights seems to be mainly concerned with protecting criminals. People who are wrong. You don’t resist a police officer. You don’t shove a police officer. First you put yourself outside of the law, and then you look for protection of the law.
How does a police officer arrest 2 unruly women? If he maced and tasered them, that would be ok? He has to do a profound analysis, if the girls will escalate? How does he know if more people will interfere? Or if one woman has fighting skills, weapons? So a police officer has to take risks to protect the human rights of girls that are clearly wrong and that attack him!?
Interestingly, dictatorships do not have major crime problems. Nor do Brazilian shanty towns dominated by criminal gangs, or cities controlled by the mafia. Most smaller criminals can get subdued by rigorous law and order.
Devli’s advocate s provocative proposal
The suspension of due process, normal in alleged rape, child abuse and child porn cases, should be applied to crimes with real violence and real victims, where public safety is at stake. If simple unproven accusations would suffice to arrest and try bullies and street criminals, maybe public safety could be reinstated
|Girls shoving Policemen||Gang attack victim stabs attacking gang banger||Rodney King
|“Bad guy” does something wrong or illegal||Girls start scuffle with policeman, resist arrest & attack policeman on duty||Group of thugs attack innocent students. Already knocked down one victim. Attacks next victim||* Rodney King takes LA police on high speed car chase
* risking life of many innocent drivers and pedestrians on the way,
* He resists arrest, resists handcuffs, and attacks arresting policemen.
|“Good Guy” reacts||Unable to handcuff 2 unruly girls at the same time, policeman returns a punch to the girl that shoved him||Next victim pulls a knife, and stabs attacker in throat.||Police taser and beat in attempt to subdue and handcuff.
Rodney King keeps getting up. Police takes necessary measures to subdue him.
Even if they were overreacting, how serious is that compared to felony reckless driving, parole violation and drunk driving?
|“Human Rights” worry about the guilty criminals||Girl interferes with police work. Attacks policeman who is busy with another unruly girl.
Poor girl got a punch after attacking a policeman who, alone, faces 2 attackers
|A group of thugs attacks innocent guys with punches. A victim defends himself with a knife.
How unjust for the attacker to get stabbed without prior warning
|If police tells you to lie down and you get up, you must be aware of the consequences.
Even more if you are clearly wrong, drunk driving, parole violation and reckless driving on escape attempt.
Poor guy: almost killed innocent citizens with his car, could have injured police officers on duty, and got some beating with no long term effects.
|“Human Rights” don’t get concerned about victims, safety of society and law abiding citizens||Police should engage in half hour scuffle with the girls. If girls use weapons, or more people enter in the fight, tough luck.
If the girls escape and thus learn that it pays to resist police, tough luck too.
|Attack victim has risk his life
When attacked by a group of thugs, victim has to do a legal analysis of the case before acting.
|Safety of policemen is not important.
Safety of society against criminal reckless driving felons is not important.
|“Good Guy” gets into trouble||Police get suspended, suffer inquiry. Press and “anti-racists” attack the police for doing their duty.||In this case the attack victim, a student, got 3 years 9 months unsuspended jail sentence!||Police suffered inquiry, legal challenges.|
|Either way, “good guys” get into trouble, even if they act differently||At other occasions, police may get injured for reacting too lightly or too slow||Had he wasted time with warnings, and not defended himself, he could have been knocked down, beaten to death. The attackers could have gotten out their (bigger) knives. He might have been attacked by the entire group of the agressor.||If police is too lenient, they may suffer consequences:
|The exact “human right” of the criminal||Attack police trying to arrest your friend and have the human right not get punched||You may knock down one person, attack the next person. You have the human right to be politely warned before getting knived in self-defense.||Human right to resist police, flee for an hour endangering hundreds of people’s life, continuing to resist, try to attack police, being potentially armed, not surrender to police. You have the human right not get beaten into submission until you get handcuffed|
|Sources of information||Video with transcript & subtitles||Prison for Self Defense
Prison for Self Defense (2)
Prison term length reconsidered
|Rodney King (Wikipedia)|