Any law abiding citizen can end up in jail at any time
The child porn witch hunt endangers any normal law abiding citizen. One may be arrested and kept in jail at any time for no fault. This is why the term witch hunt is appropriate.
Simon-Timmerman, an American pizza delivery guy, bought a bootleg DVD in Venezuela. It has sex videos of 19 year-old teen Little Lupe.
- Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmermann was arrested by US border control. The girl on the DVD looked underage. Conviction of a customs agent that the girl is underage was enough for arrest, and to keep the poor citizen in jail for months!
- guilty until proven innocent
- There was nothing blatant, there were no 7 year old girls that OBVIOUSLY are under 18
- even if they were 7 years old explicit photos:
- it might be inadvertent.
- Even if he owned 7 year old’s porn on purpose, what danger would be done? Enough damage and danger to compare his dangerousness, and his jail term to that of a torturer, murderer, terrorist?see persecution of academic research in the case of the Rind Study, “Child Porn” Witch Hunt: Insane Laws, Child porn & underage sex witch hunt analyzed, Pedophilia witch hunt discussed by academia and press
- Any alleged endangerment of a minor has already happened in the remote past, independent of ownership of a DVD
- nobody got endangered,
- no danger of intimidating witnesses, of damaging victims.
- No prior criminal record.
- No damage would be done leaving the “perpetrator” out of jail while investigating and during trial.
- Of course, alleged child molestors, kiddie pornographers are at special risk to be anally raped in prison.
- proof of age was right on Little Lupe’s web site’s 2257 declaration. It is insane to be arrested for possession of child porn with a 2257 declaration right on the internet. It is a witch hunt!
- Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmermann was lucky that there was only ONE well known porn star. Were this a movie with 20 girls, or a home video with unknown girls, he would be doomed. As I said: "guilty until proven innocent"
- He could have bought a different non-sexual movie (for example, "Avatar") and by accident it was mislabeled and contained porn. Too bad, 20 years in jail!! "in dubio contra reo" (if in doubt, decide against the accused)
- The video could contain old, formerly legal Dutch videos with 16 year old girls doing hard core porn produced legally 20 years ago. Sold inadvertently in a garage sale or by a pirate copycat. Doom. Life ruined, 20 years in jail. Even if it was inadvertent and he thought he bought the Video "Avatar". More here: Child porn & underage sex witch hunt analyzed
- He could have bought old collections of Playboy, formerly legal dutch magazines, a certain 1970’ies issue of the reputable German News Magazine "Der Spiegel" with a cover story about Lolita. Or a british tabloid from the 70ies with a 15 or 16 year old page 3 nude girl. Jail for child pornography. (yes I know, it is "adolescent erotic photography", but for the purpose of obfuscation and propaganda adolescents are called children and erotics are called pornography) see “Child Porn” Witch Hunt: Insane Laws
- His daughter might have left some photos of herself on the computer. Or his son surfed some web sites and encountered child porn. 20 years in jail. Or he might have nude bath photos of his toddlers
- It is almost impossible to be safe. Like a middle age witch hunt. It can get anyone, any time. There is no legal safety for good law abiding citizens. It can get anyone, even a middle aged feminist woman who bought a mis-labeled DVD or carries a computer she bought used or loaned to her porn surfing son.
This month, a Brooklyn pizza-delivery guy narrowly avoided a wrongful conviction for child pornography. Wrongful convictions might not be that unusual, but this case certainly is: the man accused has a porn star to thank for setting the record straight.
In August when returning from a trip to Venezuela, Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmerman was stopped en route in Puerto Rico when custom officers found pornographic DVDs in his backpack. One DVD was called "Little Lupe the Innocent — Do Not Be Fooled By Her Baby Face." Customs investigators reviewed the DVDs and determined that actresses in the films were underage. They charged Simon-Timmerman with trafficking in child porn. Nobody knew the ages of the girls or women in the films, but authorities decided to err on the side of assuming Simon-Timmerman’s guilt.
It would eventually take Little Lupe herself flying from Venezuela to Puerto Rico, testifying in court and displaying her passport to prove her age to the judge and lead prosecutors to drop the charges
Source:
http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/a_porn_star_stops_a_wrongful_conviction
For further details, citations, and concise analyisis on why this is "human stupidity",
blind unconscious thinking based on taboos,
click on "more" right below
Simon-Timmerman spent two months in jail prior to the court case because a Special Agent of Immigration and Customs Enforcement had testified that Fuentes was “definitely” under the age of 18 in the video, as well as testimony from a pediatrician that had deemed her 100% underage; both of which Fuentes proved wrong when she showed up in court.
http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/carlos-simon-timmerman
After spending nearly two months in jail and with a 20-year maximum prison sentence at stake, Simon-Timmerman and his public defenders were seemingly defeated. The Federal Government and the United States Attorneys Office presented the testimony of a Special Agent of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that deals with child pornography and child exploitation cases. She testified that Lupe was “definitely" under the age of 18. The government then presented the testimony of a pediatrician, who also assured the courts that she was 100% sure that Lupe was underage. Simon-Timmerman’s fate seemed to be doomed without some way of finding production dates for Lupe’s videos and photos.
Via MySpace, the legal team contacted Lupe in hopes that her testimony could set him free. She immediately agreed and flew to Puerto Rico on April 6th, 2010 to appear in court on April 7th, 2010 to state her case in court, presenting evidence copies of documents showing her birth date, and dates of production for the Little Lupe DVD. “Lupe walked into the courtroom and it was like a courtroom drama in a movie”, according to Assistant Public Defender Héctor L. Ramos-Vega. “When Lupe walked in, that tiny human being, she looked like she was seven feet tall. She owned the room, and she immediately won the jury over.” The prosecution, recognizing that its case had been completely discredited, moved to dismiss all of the charges against Simon-Timmerman."
http://www.examiner.com/x-1916-Sex–Relationships-Examiner~y2010m4d19-Porn-star-Lupe-Fuentes-appears-in-Puerto-Rico-court-vindicates-man-accused-of-child-porn-possession
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trial_star_is_porn_fdAVQvqxVbPZuWPQ9XrukN#ixzz0m4svTghP
Now, where here are human-stupidity, unconsciousness, blindness, taboo?
- there is fear and panic of underage sexuality, underage depictions, photos,
- purposefully created confusion of violence and non-violence
- confusion between children, adolescents
- total confusion thinking that looking at a photo taken 30 years ago, damage will be caused.
- Even if the photo or movie were totally legal 30 years ago
- total taboo of rational thinking. Academic researchers will be intimidated so they will not talk the truth. See persecution of academic research in the case of the Rind Study
- violence, killing, maiming, vigilante movies, all is legal to show and not supposed to create damage, imitation. Any depiction of underage sex is, by dogma, supposed to create violence against children. See Pedophilia witch hunt discussed by academia and press
- Any childhood sexuality or depiction thereof, by unassailable dogma, is considered damaging. Especially if it involves an older partner.
- Lot seems to involve religious beliefs, but religion has been around for 2000 years and Michelangelo could depict young nude boys without being jailed for 70 years. So it must be a more recent effect.
- The most parsimonious explanation really is given by the http://theAntiFeminist.com:
- the feminist trade union is fostering their agenda,
- to make sure that men will stay faithful to aging middle age women
- by making difficult or impossible men’s access to younger, prettier, more attractive women
- and even their depictions
@Jan
You wrote at the end of para 7):
“I find it very ironic that this blog is designated under a site or title of: Human Stupidity. Seems quite fitting if you ask me.”
It fits YOU like a glove, because you are to stupid to eveb understand what is being said throughout the blog.
It’s people like YOU that gave rise to blogs such as this.
You also wrote in para 5): “it is due to the fact that there is scientifically supported evidence suggesting that the majority of people who are not 18+ are not psychologically prepared for the consequences of their actions”…
Where are this links to this “scientifically supported eveidence”??
At least everything the admin of this site quotes as being scientifically proven or supported has LINKS to the scientific reports that promulgate it.
While I agree that purchasing pornography that only contains images, and footage, of people that are 18+, and then getting busted for it would suck. But.. Here’s the problem with your logic:
1) The tape was bootlegged, meaning there is no way to REALLY provide reasonable evidence that the actors are all of age. Maybe he should’ve bought a legitimate copy, no?
2) You are inferring that if someone were to have child pornography in their posession that is is a victimless crime? – What is wrong with you? You don’t know how it affects the children who are ‘actors’ in the film – and this legislation protects the exploitation of children. Furthermore purchasing, and viewng, such material supports those who make it, meaning they can continue to produce as it provides them sustenance. Thereby damaging the lives of more children and those who care for them.
3) You are defending those who produce and actively watch child pornography, saying they shouldn’t be in jail while they have a trial because they might get killed or raped? Excuse me, but measures are taken to ensure this does not happen. If an incarcerated person requests to be seperated from the general population out of fear for their lives, then it MUST be provided – that is the law – and so what if they get raped or hurt in prison? If you violate the rights of another – you had better be prepared for people trying to take away yours.
4) The time when the pornography was shot is irrelevant, had it been 10, 20, 30 years or even just the other day. Possession, and viewing of that child pornography is still supporting and providing a demand for others who may decide to produce.
5) The reason a sexually matured, but still underage, person is not allowed to participate in pornography is not due to whether or not they are pubescent, it is due to the fact that there is scientifically supported evidence suggesting that the majority of people who are not 18+ are not psychologically prepared for the consequences of their actions. In fact it is supported that most people will reach the final stages of mental stability past the age of 25, meaning: people below this age do not fully understand or possibly will not be able to fully cope with the decisions they make. Having said that, if a 16 year old girl willingly participates in sexual activity it may negatively affect her for the rest of her life. The fact that if she participates in sexual activity that is documented, and then sold to people throughout the world may affect her to an even worse degree.
6) Whether or not two teens who decide to have consensual sex with one another is, again, irrelevant: That is legal if they are of the consensual age. Which is usually 14 to 16. But again, documentation and distribution is illegal for the very same, and aforementioned, reasons.
7) People not understanding why these legislations are in effect is completely beyond me. It is a social menace, and a threat to the well-being of others. Ignorance at its finest if you ask me. I find it very ironic that this blog is designated under a site or title of: Human Stupidity. Seems quite fitting if you ask me.
Your research into these matters are not bearing any resemblance to an informed opinion. Perhaps you should read up on aspects Developmental Physchology, and how business models work. This was definitely the most disgusting, and disdainful commentary on legitimately well-founded legislation I have ever witnessed. I sure hope authorities have documented your IP Address and are casting a wary eye in your direction. Because this sounds an awful lot like the logic of people who avidly view child pornography.
As a disclaimer I will state that pedophilia is not something that can be helped. People are born that way. But that doesn’t mean they have to act on their desires, and while it may certainly be unfair that they possibly have to live their lives without sex just because of how they were born – it should be noted that the world is imperfect, and all we, as humans, can do is try to ensure that imperfection does not affect who don’t have to experience the effects.
A beautiful summary of the warped logic of mainstream opinion about child porn.
So actually, people should get arrested for having movies of under 25 year olds.
I sometimes wonder why a 15 year old boy, statutorily raped by a 30 year old woman, has the maturity to pay child support for the next 20 years. And why adolescents have the maturity to have sex, but cannot film themselves or they go to jail. Well …..
I have written about this here
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/watching-child-pornography-victimizes-child-voodoo-science
and here
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt
Sometimes I wonder if I am really too stupid that I don’t get that logic.
I’d like to point out how age of consent laws have negatively affected me life. Right now I am a gay male in my twenties. When I was an adolescent, due to the laws preventing me from having consensual sex with an adult, I reserved my sexual activity for only other minors. This distorted logic allowed me to justify fondling an eight year old neighbor. We were caught, I was shamed for my sexuality in all ways, completely unable to express myself. Boys my age would make fun of me and exclude me. Had I the ability to seek older sexual partners, I would not have concluded that sexual activity with a younger male was appropriate before being shamed by my family. Further, this incident lead to a furthering of my depression. See how the laws preventing adolescents from consenting to activity with adults hurts everyone? Was I unclear? Summary: laws criminalizing adolescent sexuality have harmed me and other children and prevented proper emotional growth.
Very interesting different take. So age of consent law is an issue of human right and freedom for minors. I have read about minors petitioning the UN to consult them before making laws that prevent them from working paying jobs that would allow them to buy their school books. Your issue about child adult sex being desired by the child is an extremely taboo issue that is almost never mentioned. The simpler issue of an adolescent 14 year old teenage girl (or boy) desiring sex with a 20 or 25 year old, though, should be an extremely frequent and very normal issue.
I have an article in the pipeline that talks about adult child sex not being traumatic in itself and while it happens, but years later when the child understands that it was a terrible trauma and very bad thing, according to society’s norms and teachings.
“I have an article in the pipeline that talks about adult child sex not being traumatic in itself and while it happens, but years later when the child understands that it was a terrible trauma and very bad thing, according to society’s norms and teachings.”
So in other words: society’s norms and teachings that the older ‘child’ eventually learns and fully comprehends, make him or her feel traumatized; not by the sexual experience itself, but by the GUILT that those teachings have made him / her feel and for no real reason at all.
Now that IS child abuse!
I hope I will put out that article soon. It is a series of posts about the child sex trauma myth. Your point is very interesting. I haven’t seen this so clearly.
As long as there is a sex-crimes witch-hunt, no one is safe, even traditional married couples that try to spice up their love lives with a DVD. Just like the “war on drugs” has begun restricting alcohol and smoking in public so too will the drive to keep the children pure and free from sin. Is it really sinful to look with lust at a sixteen year old? Should the sinfulness of a man who possesses a nude picture result in 20 years in prison? How long before all of America is micro chipped to save the children from sin?
I understand the fact that she is over 18 but are you honestly going to tell me that you stress yourself that fact while you’re masturbating? I think not, it’s not about that she’s technically over age, it’s the fact that she looks 13 that turns you on. And I for one find that scary, you can say it’s a fetish all you want but if you have sexual feelings towards a minor, or those who even a pediatrician believed to be a minor then I don’t want you near my kids.
Eva, it is legitimate to want to protect your children. Always be careful. Especially about the very rare REAL predators.
But punishing people for a thought crime, for looking at a video, that is not how the law works in other cases. I have other posts here describing how it is perfectly legal to watch a 16 year old being clubbed, kicked, stabbed to death (you can find such videos on prime Time TV) but if the same kid were naked kissing someone, then it is a heinous crime.
Finally, I even voice a unpopular and taboo view: if 13 year olds who legally have sex anyway, would record the act and someone else would watch it, I really do not understand what terrible damage would be done.
This change in laws and enforcement about text and images of minors (or NOT) wasn’t sudden, as you know. It happened gradually, or at least with several major changes socially and politically. I am very interested to learn the history of the past few decades in order to see where we are going. Frankly, it scares me. IMHO, this is not about sex crimes or protecting children. It is about control, period.
girls-in-magazines.blogspot.com
Disturbing article about Little Lupe incident. Great she testified.
My blog documents changing attitudes by mainstream men’s magazine publishers over the decades. It is a work in progress that is mostly sorting through material for a book.
I posted this in response to a good article here
http://blog.simplejustice.us/2010/04/24/for-a-good-time-call-little-lupe.aspx?ref=rss
This is so scary and absurd.
All due process is suspended. A real witch hunt. Spreading terror.
I appreciate all your comments, your rightful indignation about prosecuting innocent people.
Imagine if the Video contained 5 dozen young Russian 19 year olds. Would they all have to fly in? And a home made video, where one cannot locate the actor?
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/any-innocent-can-go2-jail4-childporn-carlos-alfredo-simon-timmermann
Interestingly, the world has been brainwashed so much that the real deeper issues are already taboo and nobody mentions them:
Let us suppose Timmermann had REAL adolescent porn. 14 year olds who already have babies and have sex every day with each other, made a movie with their cell phone. So for possession of that one should go to jail for 20 years? To protect whom and what? Anyone had been damaged?
Let us suppose Timmermann had REAL child porn of the worst kind. 5 year olds playing with sexual organs or getting penetrated. The REAL stuff.
So what if he got it inadvertently. Did not even look at the DVD. The DVD was mislabeled. Does he deserve 20 years in jail?
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/lynching-adolescent-video-is-legal-but-nude-adolescent-photos-felony-crime
Now let us assume, he is a REAL PERVERT. He enjoys watching this tasteless abusive stuff.
What damage gets done by him watching abuse photos taken 30 years ago? Why don’t they persecute the abuser? Have you ever searched the internet for movies about child lynching, toddler beating, etc? Not only Hollywood movies glorify violent justice illegally dished out by the hero.
In the above link you see a few examples of youtube and fox news toddler abuse and a gang beating a 16 year old to death. Why is owning videos of beating a 16 year old to death legal? But owning videos of a 16 year old having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend (which he does anyway, and which is legal) is a heinous crime punishable by 20 years in jail? All these laws stem from a witch hunt mentality that unfortunately has taken over the world, up to the United Nations.
more here
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt
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Actually, as this is read by lawyers: I wish someone prosecuted people for possession of “Blue Lagoon” videos. Prosecute Hollywood Studios, Video Stores, Youtube.
Blue Lagoon clearly fulfills all criteria for child porn. Underage actors simulating sex acts intended to depict underage people having sex.
Maybe this law suit would wake up the silent majority. If they notice that EVERYONE can be a victim of this witch hunt.