I grew up indoctrinated by political correctness. Like a large part of citizens in Western countries I was brainwashed: Races do not exist, all are equal. Saying anything different, saying that there are racial differences, is racism, a crime.
Read this, everything you need to know about scientific research about racial differences: RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton
In school I heard disparaging remarks about Artur Jensen and other “unscientific” “dishonest” “cheating” scientists doing faulty research about race differences.
The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray actually looked fairly convincing to me, but if even President Bill Clinton denounced it, there must be something wrong about it.
There always was some complex theory to explain away the IQ differences:
- different culture
- parental expectation
- mother’s malnourishment
- IQ measurements are racially and culturally biased
My opinion changed when I read about trans-racial adoption studies. That was the last drop that really disproved all these desperate attempts to explain away racial differences in intelligence.
“The best evidence for the genetic basis of race-IQ differences comes from trans-racial adoption studies of Oriental children, Black children, and Mixed-Race children. All these children have been adopted by White parents at an early age and have grown up in middle-class White homes.”
Chart 9 summarizes the results for Oriental children adopted into White middle-class homes.
Korean and Vietnamese babies from poor backgrounds, many of whom were malnourished, were adopted by White American and Belgian families. When they grew up, they excelled in school. The IQs of the adopted Oriental children were 10 or more points higher than the national average for the country they grew up in. Trans-racial adoption does not increase or decrease IQ. The three-way pattern of race differences in IQ remains.”
In plain English: adopted Asian babies grew up to be very bright, adopted black babies grew up to have low intelligence.
One more desperate argument that was posed to save the “racial equality” dogma:
They claimed “expectancy effects,” not genes, explained the pattern. They argued that the Black and White children were not treated the same. Even if parents took good care of their children, the schools, classmates, and society as a whole discriminated against Black children and this hurt their IQs. Because we expected Black children to do poorly in school, they lived up to our low expectations.”
Even that argument got promptly destroyed. Rushton:
A special analysis of the Scarr study compared parents who believed that they had adopted a Black baby but, really, had adopted a Mixed-Race (Black-White) child. The average IQ for these Mixed-Race children was just about the same as for other Mixed-Race children and above that for adopted Black children. This was true even though the parents who adopted these Mixed-Race children thought their babies really had two Black parents.
Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton
That did it for me. It destroyed my ingrained indoctrinated beliefs that all races must be equal. It opened up my mind to the possibility that there could be racial differences.
Before we go on, may I stress a few more points
- I have no axe to grind against blacks. I am not interested in proving that blacks are stupid or inferior. I am not a white supremacist
- I have an axe to grind against dogmatism, blindness, stupidity. I have an axe to grind against the catholic church for repressing Galileo’s truth about the moving and revolving earth. And I have an axe to grind about political correctness repressing the truth, repressing research.
- This site is about human stupidity versus truth and consciousness
- Rushton, though much maligned, is not some crazy cook but one of the most prestigious research scientists to date: Rushton holds two doctorates from the University of London (Ph.D. and D.Sc) and is a Fellow of the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the American, British, and Canadian Psychological Associations. He is also a member of the Behavior Genetics Association, the Human Behavior and Evolution Society, and the Society for Neuroscience. Rushton has published six books and nearly 200 articles. In 1992 the Institute for Scientific Information ranked him the 22nd most published psychologist and the 11th most cited. Professor Rushton is listed in Who. Some of Rushtons scientific publications can be found on his University page: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm
Summary of Racial differences
Then of course, the non-scientific “evidence”, the hearsay, the anecdotal evidence, our daily experience, suddenly made sense:
The Whites who explored China were just as racist as those who explored Africa, but their descriptions were different from what they and the Arabs had written about Africans. In 1275 Marco Polo arrived in China from his native Italy to open trade with the Mongol Empire. He found that the Chinese had well built roads, bridges, cities connected by canals, census takers, markets, standardized weights and measures, and not only coins, but paper money as well. Even a postal system was in existence. All of these made him marvel when he compared the Chinese to what he saw in Europe and the Middle East.
Even though he was an Italian, proud of his people and well aware of the greatness of Ancient Rome, Marco Polo wrote: “Surely there is no more intelligent race on earth than the Chinese.”
In amazing ways, Rushton forms a coherent picture to make sense of all the racial differences shown in reasearch. Some differences are biological and can not be talked away by simple psychobabble or sociology-babble.
In a few cases medical treatment and medication showed racial differences. which proves a real quagmire for race equality dogmatist. Should they talk away and hide the differences as racist and cause medical malpractice and suffering for black patients? Or should they accept the scientific facts and actively promote racial analysis of medical studies and see their beloved pet dogma undermined?
Rushton’s book sums up the relevant research. Please forgive me for always quoting Rushton, incessantly. Nobody can say it better, nobody summed up the entire field in a more concise and coherent manner then Rushton.
Many statistics in Chart 1 come from the United States, where Orientals are a “model minority.”
They have fewer divorces, fewer out-of-wedlock births, and fewer reports of child abuse than Whites.
More Orientals graduate from college and fewer go to prison.
On the other hand Blacks are 12% of the American population and make up 50% of the prison population. In the U.S., one out of every three Black men is either in jail, on probation, or awaiting trial. That is much more than the number who graduate from college.
Chapter 2 shows how this racial pattern in crime is found worldwide. INTERPOL Yearbooks show the rate of violent crime (murder, rape, and serious assault) is four times lower in Asian and Pacific Rim countries than in African and Caribbean countries. Whites in the United States and in European countries are intermediate. The 1996 INTERPOL violent crime rates clearly show this pattern: Asian countries, 35 violent crimes per 100,000 people; European countries, 42; and African countries, 149.
Chapter 2 also finds that Oriental children are slower to mature than White children while Black children are faster to mature. This is true for the rate of bone and tooth development and the age at which a child first sits, crawls, walks, and puts on clothing. Oriental children do not begin to walk until about 13 months, White children at 12 months, and Black children at 11 months.
Chapter 3 looks at racial differences in sexual activity. Orientals are the least sexually active, whether measured by age of first intercourse, intercourse frequency, or number of sexual partners. Blacks are the most active on all of these. Once again Whites are in between. These contrasts in sexual activity lead to differences in the rate of diseases like syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, and chlamydia. There are high levels of AIDS in Africa, Black America, and the Caribbean and low levels in China and Japan. European countries again fall in between.
The races differ in rate of ovulation (Chapter 3). Not all women produce one egg during the menstrual cycle. When two or more eggs are produced at the same time, a pregnancy is more likely. So is the likelihood of producing fraternal twins (i.e., two-egg twins). The number of twins born is 16 out of every 1,000 births for Blacks, 8 out of every 1,000 births for Whites, and 4 or less for Orientals. Triplets and other multiple births are rarest in Orientals and highest in Blacks, with Whites in between.
Chapter 4 is about race and intelligence. Hundreds of studies on millions of people show a threeway pattern. IQ tests are often made to have an average score of 100, with a “normal” range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for use in the Euro-American culture. Blacks in the U.S., the Caribbean, Britain, Canada, and in Africa average lower IQs — about 85. The lowest average IQs are found for sub-Saharan Africans — from 70 to 75.
Chapter 4 also looks at brain size. Bigger brains have more brain cells and this leads to higher IQs. The races vary in brain size. The Collaborative Perinatal Project followed more than 35,000 children from birth to seven years. Orientals had larger brains than Whites at birth, four months, one year, and seven years. Whites had larger brains than Blacks at all ages (see Chart 2). The data on adults in Chart 2 come from a sample of 6,325 U.S. Army personnel.
Chapter 5 asks whether differences in our brain size, our bodies and our behavior are because of genes, environment, or both. It also asks whether individual differences can tell us anything about race differences.
Chapter 6 discusses the gene based “life-history theory” I have proposed to explain the racial pattern in brain size, intelligence, and other traits. Evolutionary biologists call it the r-K scale of reproductive strategies. At one end of this scale are r-strategies that rely on high reproductive rates. At the other end are K-strategies that rely on high levels of parental care. This scale is generally used to compare the life histories of different species of animals. I have used it to explain the smaller but real differences between the human races.
On this scale, Orientals are more K-selected than Whites, while Whites are more K-selected than Blacks. Highly K-selected women produce fewer eggs (and have bigger brains) than r-selected women. Highly K-selected men invest time and energy in their children rather than the pursuit of sexual thrills. They are “dads” rather than “cads.”
Chapter 7 shows that the race differences in reproductive strategies make sense in terms of human evolution. Modern humans evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Africans and non-Africans then split about 100,000 years ago. Orientals and Whites split about 40,000 years ago.
The more north the people went “Out of Africa,” the harder it was to get food, gain shelter, make clothes, and raise children. So the groups that evolved into today’s Whites and Orientals needed larger brains, more family stability, and a longer life. But building a bigger brain takes time and energy during a person’s development. So, these changes were balanced by slower rates of growth, lower levels of sex hormones, less aggression, and less sexual activity.
Why? Because Africa, Europe, and Asia had very different climates and geographies that called for different skills, resource usage, and lifestyles. Blacks evolved in a tropical climate which contrasted with the cooler one of Europe in which Whites evolved and even more so with the cold Arctic lands where Orientals evolved.
Because intelligence increased the chances of survival in harsh winter environments, the groups that left Africa had to evolve greater intelligence and family stability. This called for larger brains, slower growth rates, lower hormone levels, less sexual potency, less aggression, and less impulsivity. Advanced planning, self-control, rule-following, and longevity all increased in the non-Africans.
I realize that these topics are controversial and that readers will have many questions. Chapter 8 lists the questions I am most asked about Race, Evolution, and Behavior, and my answers to them.
Race is more than “just skin deep.” The pattern of Oriental-White-Black differences is found across history, geographic boundaries, and political-economic systems. It proves the biological reality of race. Theories based only on culture cannot explain all the data shown in Chart 1. The next three chapters describe the scientific findings on race differences (summarized in Chart 1) in greater detail. Later chapters explain why these differences follow such a pattern.
Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton
You can download the abridged version, in various languages, here: RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton
If you really are interested, then, of course, you will read the unabridged version. Unfortunately, I could not find it at Amazon
384 thoughts on “Race differences in intelligence: how research changed my mind to overcome the “all races are equal” dogma.”
When dealing with something as large, complex and, for want of a better concept, “squishy” as ecologies and their inhabitants, it is seldom a good idea to seek a single correlation or causal element. Here the single correlative is skin pigmentation and IQ.
I will now list a single that kinda throws a large monkey wrench into that argument. Environmental lead.
See this: http://www.dnusbaum.com/LeadBlack.html From which we get:
First- and second-generation immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean, though only 13 percent of the nation’s blacks as a whole, represent 41 percent of all those of African descent at 28 selective universities and 23 percent of the black population at all public universities.
With regard to the race of adoptive parents having an impact on the the childs IQ. Consider that black adoptive parents will likely have been damaged by lead when they grew up in the inner city. Add to that the idea of epigenetics which posits that environmental damage can, really, be passed on to offspring. That is, the ideas of Lamark may not have been entirely without merit. So the parents of black children pass their neurological damage onto their children. Try and separate out the the damage from lead from Race. oh yea … it is possible. Look at black immigrants from Africa. They out perform everyone. Cause they had no lead exposure. Just like the Asians had the least lead exposure — especially if they came from recent immigrants.
I am not claiming that the thesis of racial inequality is wrong. I am saying that the available evidence supporting the theory is at best weak, and at worst, falsifies the proposition.
I grew up in the intercity in the 1950s as did my parents and grandparents before me. This was in a time before the part of the city I lived in became black. Our urban housing had the same lead pipes as does the housing the blacks live in today. Why is it that none of my family suffer from generational low IQ as the blacks do? Your environmental neurological damage theory is total hog wash. It is genetic and cultural pure and simple.
I grew up in Malawi. Then we moved to Canada. Both former British colonies.
Malawi today is about a 1.5 out of 10 as a well managed society.
Canada is about a 9.5 out of 10.
The average IQ in Canada is 23 points higher.
My parents were old school white racists. God’s plan, etc. Blacks and whites should each know their place. I scoffed at this. I was the new generation of ‘we are all the same’.
I will not visit my former homeland again after the last life shattering experience. I really no longer believe that the Blacks are capable of managing a functional society in the 21st century. Its not a question of education or tinkering here or there. They quite simply do not have the mental capacity or social temperament. It’s the same for every subSaharan Black country.
Yes, I accept major race difference. The irony is that those who deny race also deny a decent quality of life for the children in Black countries. The deniers expect some social epiphany and all will be well. Reality check…its getting worse.
I have no idea what the answer is but pretending racial difference in .iQ don’t exist is a type of subtle abuse.
Yes, they aren’t a representative sample. That’s been gone over thoroughly by researchers.
I also see problems with the idea that moving into colder weather areas was the reason some groups evolved higher IQs. If that is the case why did Modern Man first arise from Homo populations in hot Africa rather than from the Neanderthal population in cold Europe. Keep in mind that the dominance of those in cold weather areas is relatively recent. The first advanced cultures appeared in Iraq, Egypt, Greece and then Italy (in the ‘West’), while among Native Americans the most advanced cultures were also in hot weather areas.
There is lot of luck and coincidence involved. For some reason Neanderthal was extinguished, maybe by Homo Sapiens.
If you ever lived in a hot country with lots of Blacks, you will see the happy go lucky attitude and low concern about the future. Even umbrellas are rarely carried unless it rains the moment they leave home.
This attitude is deadly in climates with cold winters. “Why should I save food, I have eaten enough”.
Or just saving enough food for an average winter and die in a longer winter
Also it says it has to do with planning, foreseeable weather.
Also, it does not really matter why, the undeniable fact is that the IQ IS DIFFERENT, the why can be discussed and argued
I don’t see ANY problem with it at all. In fact it really makes sense that nature is selecting for intelligence in northern climates as it is harder to survive. Food scarcity and the need to build shelters could very well be selecting for more intelligent traits in other races. Look at your Iraq example. It is a HARSH environment as well. You also have to have wits to survive there. So it isn’t so much cold weather as it is EXTREME environments period that are selecting for intelligence. Also don’t forget Neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens.
Another thing to consider is that Native Americans evolved from Asians yet look at the Native American IQ. It is on par with blacks!
Have you actually read the original adoption study (Scarr), if not I suggest you do, and not just accept Rushton’s summary. There are a lot of caveats about the data, including the fact that the white and Asian children came from Minnesota, while some of the black children came from other places. Also the black children tended to be adopted later.
Some other comments:
(1) The supposedly superior ‘Oriental’ IQ only applies to some sub-groups. In broad racial classifications Mongoloids include East Asians, Southeast Asians (basically any one east of Bangladesh), and Native Americans. The only groups that have shown higher IQs are Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. Mongolians are near or slightly below the White average while Southeast Asians and Native Americans are well below. Some ‘scientific’ racists try to explain this away by dividing the Mongoloid ‘race’ into East Asian and Southeast Asian (actually this division is not unreasonable based on physical appearance and genetics). The problem is that the Native Americans group genetically with the ‘superior’ East Asians, while the Southern Chinese (including those in Hong Kong and Taiwan, who have the highest measured IQs) group genetically with the ‘inferior’ Southeast Asians’.
(2) I’m sure Marco Polo was impressed with China in 1275 as China was near it’s peak and Europe was still in the Dark Ages. I wonder what he would have thought if he had arrived in the 1950s or 1960s when China was one of the poorest countries in the world (poorer than most of Africa) and suffering from famines and the senseless violence and insanity of the cultural revolution.
(3) The most violent area of the world is not Africa, but rather parts of Mexico and Central America, where there are very few people of African decent. The overwhelming majority of the population are mixtures of
the ‘peaceful’ white race, and the very peaceful oriental race.
(4) IQs have been rising at a rate of about 3 points per decade which is much too fast to be accounted for by genetic changes.
(5) IQ differences of 15 points have also been observed between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, and between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.
For your consideration.
China’s poorest provinces still have an IQ of up to 110.
Also there is no rule about one single city having a higher IQ, if they inbreed enough. This is how Jews have an IQ of about 115 (Ashkenazi)
Facts count. IQ of certain groups are different, and if one Chinese province has a different IQ than another, so be it.
Mestizos have an average IQ score of about 3 points lower than American blacks.
The IQ differences between protestants and catholics can probably be explained by the fact that the most intelligent son in a catholic family was often encouraged to go into the priesthood for centuries.
It’s also the hypothesis for the higher IQ score among Ashkenazi Jews.
I’m afraid I can’t remember the source for that however.
>>… “Anyone that plays chess knows that it is not a particularly intellectually challenging game. However, Scrabble is a very intellectually demanding game.”
Hoo-Wee! The mind boggles.
It must be hell being a 70-I.Q. person in a 100-I.Q. world.
‘Loyal American Underground’
Haven’t read everything (so maybe it was mentioned) but I think there is still room for a significant confounding variable. And this variable being that black adoption kids usually come from different backgrounds as opposed to white adoption kids.
I can imagine for example, that because there are more black people with a very low social economic status, that there are more black kids which were given up for adoption because their parents were extremely poor. Whereas I can imagine that there are more white people who give up their kids because they were teens when they got pregnant, or because of religious reasons, or because of career-related reasons.
I highly doubt though, that this possible confounding variable explains the entire difference.
Another point of critique is that people from an African decent could naturally have (on average of course) lower stress levels. As I can easily imagine lowered stress levels correlate with most of the characteristics listed in the table this article refers to. And if so, you could argue that this characteristic might be beneficial to society in ways not mentioned/highlighted in this article.
And for all the white-supermist getting all excited about this article: Stop worrying that race-mixing will dilute the average IQ of the population (assuming the conclusion of this article is correct). People with higher IQs tend to be more attracted to other people with high IQs. And of course there are exceptions, but whether someone with a high IQ mates with a lower IQ white person or black person doesn’t matter.
Finally, I like this topic perhaps because it is so controversial, but because there is a strong possibility of unnecessarily hurting people, we should be careful with drawing strong premature conclusions. And to end on a bit more philosophical note: whether you are theistic or atheistic, you must agree that we all at one point came from the same place, and I am sure that if you think hard and long you will also agree that your existence wouldn’t be without the existence of everything you see around you, so show some love 😉
One last thing, I forgot to mention. Even though I have never taken a proper IQ test, I probably score on the higher end of the spectrum seeing as I am currently doing a PhD in theoretical physics. And I find it extremely ironic that certain white-supermist feel superior because of their so called higher IQs, even though if you’ d extend this line of reasoning, I should feel the same way about them (at least most of them, that is). And if I were to adopt some of their more extremist thoughts, I should be pro exterminating THEM. I am sure though that they’d be against that proposition, and they’d rather set the minimum IQ requirements to be deemed a valuable person a little closer to their own level. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I belief a better, and more rational, standard to be deemed valuable to society is the extent to which you show pro-social behavior. And if we really want to show which “race” is more “valuable” we should start doing/researching studies focusing on this characteristic.
Tom’s command of spelling and grammar is inversely proportional to his opinion of his own IQ…
If a disproportionate amount of Negro gentlemen are regularly breakfasting on government supplied porridge is this not indicative of their lack of pro-social behaviour?
Nope. Take any group of people, even those with identical genes to the majority population, subject them to 200 years of slavery, and another 100 of systematic discrimination, and I’m sure they will continues to be poorer than average, 40 years later.
all humans are 99.6% genetically identical, of the 0,4% difference, 86% is within racial groups and only about 8% is inter racial.
now given that asians make up two thirds of the worlds population, that means if you are caucasian, you are much more genetically simillar to an asian than you are to a random caucasian which is why all scientists agree that there is no such a thing as a race, because it can not be defined using genes
Jews have been prosecuted and in ghettos. Chinese and even Irish came as indentured slave workers to the US.
What systemic discrimination did the Haitians in 200 years of independence suffer? Why are they exactly as poor, criminal, low intelligence as Africans?
Why are US Blacks doing better than non-discriminated non-enslaved Haitians and other Africans in Africa with no slavery?
What proof do you have that slavery 100 years ago for the grand grand father influences people today?
The gaps between blacks and whites are closing, on pretty much everything. These things take time.
Where do you see the scientific research showing that the black white gaps are closing? How much time does it need>? It took 50 000 years out of Africa to create these differences. What scientific principle would create a slow closing of gaps?
Will the running gap between poodles and greyhounds close? How long will that take?
People don’t seem to understand statistics and a standard bell curve. So let me use the example I use when trying to illustrate the difference between a ‘racist’ and a ‘eugenicist’:
You put a hundred black Africans in a room along with a hundred white Europeans. Then you ask someone to pick the hundred smartest people. The racist will just pick all the people who are the same colour as himself. The eugenicist will give everyone in the room various intelligence and personality tests and eventually pick about 70 to 80 whites and 30 to 20 blacks. The people that the eugenicist picked will be the top 50% of the original 200 mixed group.
Just because the AVERAGE (American) black has an IQ of 85 compared to 100 for most whites DOESN’T mean that every black is less intelligent than every white.
Your use of the term “Orientals” (Asians) might be confusing to international readers. Most Europeans would consider anybody east of the Mediterranean as “Orientals” while Americans don’t use that term because it is no longer “politically correct”. I would make a distinction between:
Middle Easterners (Arabs, Turks, Persian)
Indians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis)
South Asians (Burmese, Thais, Laotians, Cambodians, Vietnamese)
Southeast Asians (Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos)
Northeast Asians (Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Formosans)
The increased intelligence for “Asians” is the most pronounced for NORTHEAST Asians (which have the coldest winters), while SOUTHEAST Asians (which are more tropical) are slightly LOWER than European whites. Also there seems to be a slightly different ‘type’ of intelligence in NE Asians, where mathematics, logic, and science are stronger, but language is weaker. There are millions of brilliant NE Asian scientists, but not so many lawyers, politicians, and orators (I consider that a plus).
I haven’t the time to read all the comments but I wonder if anyone has pointed out that ‘intelligence’ is only one part of a persons makeup and is measured using particular type of tests. Intelligence isn’t necessarily the most important aspect of a person. We could measure other things; happiness; empathy; work ethic; emotional intelligence etc.
If your theory has validity then it can be modified to explain why black immigrants do so well — better in fact than whites in our society. I mention that in my article here: http://www.dnusbaum.com/LeadBlack.html
which I will soon update to include this more indepth analysis: http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
I am not claiming that you are wrong, just that there is not sufficient evidence to make a solid case that you are right, and that you may, in fact be wrong.
Of course, I like my lead poisoning theory a lot. It does explain a lot. Black affrican immigrants have had almost no exposure to lead. You may wish to explore the problem of Consanguinity in the Arab / Muslim culture
What a worthless topic. Spend time trying to improve others lives or shut the fuck up and mind your business. From a white Sicilian in Cincinnati who will gladly shove this pointless article right up your ignorant ass.
You’re lowering the collective IQ of white people Bryan. Please don’t reproduce.
Enough, you all are arguing about a matter that you both do not know much about. I am a black African American male who is from Chicago, IL and also grown up in gang infested areas. At a young age I witness many murders, shootings, family separations and drug abusers. I state all of this because, I do not believe neither of you know what the majority of African Americans in our country live like.
I was placed in special/lower educational classes in the 2nd grade after the professor found out I couldn’t read, write or do mathematics…don’t just read this statement, visually and emotionally live what I am saying.
After witnessing my older cousin being executed in my face, I decided to make it out of what most call the hood, aka the ghetto and aka the trap. I had to teach myself how to read, write and do basic math at the age of 14. I felt really bad for myself because most of my age group knew how to do these simple tasks; I only knew how to stay alive and avoid getting killed. At the time before my cousin succumbed to her injuries, I had no intention to strive to become world class intelligent.
Ask yourself these questions: Would you care about school-
If when you came home and there was no food to eat?
If when you came home and there was no water to drink or shower with?
If every day you were alive, it could be your last?
If you had to play sports because you knew they would feed you after the events?
I could go on but I choose not, the reason for the questions is to state your IQ would not save you in my past neighborhood. To fast forward, I did an IQ test then and it was low but now I score well above 130. I also joined the armed forces, the U.S. Navy to be exact as a Nuclear operator and scored 86 points on the ASVAB after taking it three times.
There are many variables of intelligence and an IQ test could not tell me I was under educated then or now because the results only show my familiarity. I say this with deep respect for the studies being conducted, however; how could one determine one’s intelligence if I couldn’t read, write, solve puzzles or do mathematics?
My scores increased as I become more familiar with each subject…
Thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing from you all in the near future! Also, cut out the racist jokes because that and religion is responsible for separating us.
Victor J. Hall
Good for you. You are a rare exception. And that because you were born with the tendency for high IQ. It will not work for all.
Your first IQ tests were wrong, a total unfamiliarity with the subject, of course, reduces your score.
The bad environment you grew up in was created by low IQ high violence Blacks.
White guilt is only that they financially reward and promote fatherless black families
Fatherless families are a bit of a problem for whites, but a disaster for Blacks
How the hell is he a “rare exception?” Do you understand the meaning of the word? Is he among only a few successful black people in America? Do millions of successful black people constitute an exception to you?
“The bad environment you grew up in was created by low IQ high violence Blacks.”
White violence against blacks destroyed entire communities and set the stage for many of the problems we see today. Google “the black Wall Street”
In fact, let me help you out:
As one of the most successful and wealthiest black communities in the United States during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America’s “Black Wall Street” until the Tulsa race riot of 1921, in which white residents massacred black residents and razed the neighborhood within hours.
You see, whenever black people tried to improve themselves dumb white trash like you would have none of it. And Tulsa was far from the only thriving black community destroyed by white bigots.
Once again, you’re an idiot.
An extreme illustration admittedly but the only time bombe were dropped on American citizens was when whites dropped em on black…is trie…no lie, is true.
Apologies for bursting your bubble but I have an IQ of 110 and I can spell and construct coherent logical grammatical sentences.
To quote you below:
“say this with deep respect for the studies being conducted, however; how could one determine one’s intelligence if I couldn’t read, write, solve puzzles or do mathematics?”
One determines intelligence exactly in terms of reading, writing, solving puzzles and doing mathematics amongst other things otherwise how else could it be done?
Perhaps by “throwing the bones?”
That is quite the story, thank you for sharing it. And congratulations on overcoming huge disadvantages. I am guessing that you are: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDz86yqSu7whE-n48qZl2SA the same Victor J. Hall as that one.
I also admire Human-Stupidy (Admin) for being honest about a topic for which honestly is almost illegal. HSA being that you are open minded, would suggest being opened minded about Victor’s point that IQ can change with time in same individual and that “expectations” can affect performance. Thomas Sowell has written about this, and Sowell is one of the smarter and clear minded people out there. He says culture is a huge factor. Also that jews scored low on IQ tests 100 years ago and high today. I would guess that the adopted black children in you study did better than non adopted. I just went out and checked that and indeed black children that are not adopted have significantly lower IQ than adopted ones.
However by whatever reason people score differently on IQ tests, those scores do translate into income and other achievements. And to ignore that is stupid and counterproductive for all, which is is the way its being handled today.
That said people are way too sensitive about IQ. What if everything HSA says is true? What difference does that make. Adolf Hitler was likely higher IQ than Mother Teresa, does that make him a better person?
People’s worth is not based on their IQ. Being upset of resentful about a low IQ does no good, nor giving yourself credit for having a high IQ, as it makes as much sense as giving yourself credit for having two legs. The cards you were given were not of your making.
Darp, you seem quite open minded. That is good.
Now we do have 100 years of IQ research, almost 100 years of armed forces admission tests to millions (?) of recruits a year, millions of SAT, GRE college tests.
Also tests that IQ usually does not change with normal life circumstances. IQ differences between Black and White are like height differences between men and women. They are always 1-2 Standard differences apart, no matter if we talk tall Dutch or short Asians. And one very tall woman does not prove that women are as tall as men.
Group IQ is a big problem. Blacks among themselves, in Black groups, Black cities, and Black countries fare a lot worse than mixed with better performing whites.
If you have a low IQ, PLUS a corrupt government, inept teachers, kleptocratic school administration who embezzles lunch and book money, you fare even worse.
I could just as easily argue that black people are, on average, smarter than white people. I could argue that black people have greater potential than white people to be members of Mensa. Prove me wrong. My evidence is just as strong as yours.
IQ is not scientific evidence of anything. IQ doesn’t test for native intelligence or innate smarts. There’s no part of the brain called IQ. IQ isn’t set in stone for all eternity. IQ’s rise, gaps close. Your own white grandparents generation had an IQ average under 70. IQ tests for acculturation to certain values. Once those values are acquired, scores inevitably rise. IQ tests steeped in another value system would yield much different results.
It is easy to argue that the sun revolves around the earth. If you ignore 100 years of scientific IQ research, there is no basis for discussion. Here is some literature, after studying this for 100 hours, please come back to discuss further
I know, you are in good company. All of the politically correct establishment, media, want to ignore IQ research.
The same IQ research indicates that your own great-grandparents generation had an IQ average under 70. Why do you ignore that? In fact why do you ignore all the IQ research that go to dispel your theories? Why do you only cite discredited pseudoscientists while ignoring respectable mainstream scientists? I know you’ll claim that the real scientists are kowtowing to political correctness. Well the converse of that is that your pseudoscientists are kowtowing to racial superiority ideologies.
The notion that you can cite IQ averages as a means by which to prove racial disparities in intelligence is patently absurd. There are even group differences within ethnically homogeneous populations, the key variable being socio-economic status. For example, Irish protestants score a full standard deviation higher than Irish Catholics. Ethnic Japanese in Japan score a full standard deviation higher than ethnic Koreans. Koreans and Japanese are just about homogeneous genetically. In India, IQ rises or falls in accordance with caste status. Etc, etc.
No, the sun doesn’t revolve around the earth. But multitudes of black people are more intelligent than multitudes of white people. You wouldn’t bet your life or anything of value that any random black person you encounter on the street, whether in America or Africa, isn’t going to be innately more intelligent than you.
Oh, here are some countries that don’t have a culture of political correctness: North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Albania, China, India, Japan, Mexico, etc. There are many, many others.
Now, identify just one credible scientist or academic in any of these countries that agrees with you that there is a racial hierarchy in intelligence. Good luck. You’ll need it.
Yeah, yeah. TWENTY PERCENT OF BLACKS ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN FIFTY PERCENT OF WHITES… and NAXALT, BRO!
…you prove.the point.
None of the blacks I cited that are smarter than you and every white person you know are members of Mensa. There are innumerable blacks sitting in African villages that could be members of Mensa. But they’re not. Once again, use your head. Don’t go around pontificating on intelligence when you’re not very intelligent yourself.
When adjusted for 400+ plus years of slavery, brutality, dehumanization and socio-cultural ostracization, the IQ of black Americans is actually significantly higher than the IQ of white Americans. Only a complete nincompoop wouldn’t adjust scores for the factors I mentioned. Whites should be 30 or 40 points ahead. Instead they’re only about 10 points ahead and even that gap is closing.
You have to admit that if you and yours are confronted with a higher iq group then you are vunerable to slavery, brutality, dehumanization and god forbid, socio-cultural ostracization.
I can’t find any information on who you are. So who are you?
I’ve posted evidence of black people who are smarter than you and everyone you know. And they’re just the very tip of the iceberg. Unless you (and the idiot admin) are smarter than every single black person on earth, both of you clowns are disqualified from suggesting that blacks are intellectually inferior. In science all it takes is one counter example to prove a hypothesis wrong. For example, the law of gravity works every time; the law of thermodynamics works every time. In fact I’m much smarter than both of you jokers and, as stated, I AM BLACK! So I alone am an exhibit that refutes all your racist bullshit.
Chinedu, I will, eventually, write a chapter about basic statistics, for people like you.
US Blacks have a mean IQ of 85, Standard deviation of 15. Whites of 100, Standard deviation of 15.
That means that Mensa qualification of an IQ over 130 is reached by 2% of Whites, and 0.1% of Blacks.
It means that over 60 % of Blacks fall under the qualifying score of the Armed forces entrance test, AFQT.
IQ between Blacks and Whites is like height between women and men. There are tall women. But on average, they are smaller. The tallest people are men. In large groups, the tallest are men.
Delphinian, the counter that refutes the hypothsis
delphinian to Chinedu-Sir you are an ignorant ranter and not only ignorant but illiterate as well and have no idea about scientific procedure or methods.
ha ha ha talk of the kettle
this coming from people who always quote old out dated scientific data while disregarding recent findings i.e. treating science like its a religion where original text are everything and any later texts are heresay
you people are always quoting the bellcurve an unscientific book not written scientist, as science!
‘deep seated inferiority complex’
you cant accuse blacks on this site of inferiority complex, if that were true we wouldn’t be here. the reason we come on this site is because we think you folks are stupid, we think we are better not the other way round
Delphinian says:And as an Apropos read the response from your cousin mushawasha – has huge intellectual content -go figure – talk about clowns?
Delphinian, you cant expect me to come on a site like this to use intellectual jargon, that would be stupid on my part
if you understood ‘intellectual content’ you wouldn’t be on this site writing ignorant bs, because the world is laden with intellectual content that says you are wrong, from Wikipedia to kindergarten, to high school biology, to journals , to dissertations
you being here is evidence that you cant comprehend ‘intellectual content’
so no don’t pretend like this is some intellectual site where people are actually making educated discussion just because you used words like Apropos which you used incorrectly
i feel like ranting
so you mean if i go to Africa and said this:
if (it rains)
do not water garden;
else if (it drizzles)
check to see if garden needs more watering;
else if (its torrential rain)
you think africans will sit down and scratch their heads in bewilderment?
You were just a terrible teacher and like all terrible professionals you always find something to blame, in this case you trying to blame the language of your poor students
somebody mentioned my name!i’m gonna be famous!
seriously Delphinian did you just use me as an example of ‘neophyte keyboard warrior’?
you see i have a busy life but boring life so i humor myself by seeing what deluded stupid people think. its like watching Donald Trump and his supporters, yes its supposed to be scary, yes its supposed to be hurtful but its not, its actually humorous because its so stupid.
now, about that post, here is what i meant
1.English has what you termed “extremely close correspondence with mathematical structure” only because it is full of derived words e.g. all english words prefix Ph- are derived from Greek and Xy- from latin so you cant give credit to english for words that it borrowed
2. humans and 99% of Chordata species see in 3D which literary means they have no problems seeing 3D structures and pictures
3. you are not a programmer otherwise you would know that in computer science logic has a different meaning to how it is generally used in life e.g. in boolean algebra 1+1=1, 1+0+1+A+B+(infinity) is still equal to 1, A+A=A that’s because boolean algebra is not math, it representation of logic gates
every language in the world, except some obscure amazon tribe has a concept of “if, else”, you just don’t understand the languages period
Chinedu check the ‘Hansard’
‘Chinedu the Nigerian’ says “neophyte keyboard warrior morons like yourself and the admin..”
And as an Apropos read the response from your cousin mushawasha – has huge intellectual content -go figure – talk about clowns?
April 2, 2015, 7:19 pm On this thread some of the smartest posters are black.
May 15, 2015, 3:33 pm here may be a dearth of black physicists in the United States.
May 15, 2015, 4:41 pmYour data is a joke: Europeans are vastly more aggressive than
May 22, 2015, 2:51 pm Admin, It’s completely irrelevant who solves diseases or vaccine
July 2, 2015, 5:32 pm Admin, Here’s an African Ebola expert for ya:
August 4, 2015, 5:32 am Admin, They don’t play chess in Africa
December 10, 2015, 4:47 pm “Mixed kids have the average IQ according to race admixture
December 10, 2015, 4:52 pm Admin, Why don’t blacks play chess?
December 10, 2015, 4:53 pm Admin says: “Mixed kids have the average IQ
December 10, 2015, 5:02 pm Firekitty says:“The differences of races cannot be denied
December 12, 2015, 4:42 pm Admin, dmin, Yeah, women are shorter than men.
December 28, 2015, 3:04 pm Admin, To answer your question, I am Nigerian by heritage,
January 19, 2016, 8:40 pm Hey, admin, it seems you’re getting destroyed on your own .
February 16, 2016, 9:43 pm This idea that Neanderthal DNA improved cognition
February 16, 2016, 9:50 pm Admin,Unlike Rushton Nisbett has not been censured by his
February 16, 2016, 9:53 pm This clown Delphinian is spouting some of the most laughable
February 17, 2016, 5:03 pm That’s a typo, you moron. Beyond that, you’ve said
‘neophyte keyboard warriors?’ Ersatz verbosity proving low intellect?
Chinedu and PS
It has nothing to do with ME hankering after ‘wanting to be right’. I don’t care about where I am in the evolutionary chain because it will take me a billion years to change that. What I consider more important is relinquishing the parochial narrow mindedness of political engineering. Who cares what the respective IQ’s are -I DON’T and this is the crux of the matter because you physically and intellectually cannot as you have been politically programmed. This somehow goes to prove the point of this very lengthy comment stream on this blog! What matters is getting the facts whatever they might be. I am content to accept them as they are and the tragedy of this stupid debate is I don’t think you are!
I draw your attention to the point which I have consistently raised which is you are clearly not a scientist and that you illustrate your ignorance of the scientific method repeatedly in your rantings:
“So according to you the overwhelming preponderance of mainstream scientific and academic thought is wrong….”
Scientific method is not about thought or about subjective opinion sir -it is about observation, question, hypothesis, method, result, proof and conclusion. Your country has decayed academically by allowing charlatans to invade your campuses, including the Ivy League contingent, by the 1927 Frankfurt PC clan of the ilk of Herbert Marcuse et al. No longer are mathematics, physics, chemistry etc predominant but rather sociology, politics, communications, gender and ethnic studies none of which are ‘Sciences’. The malaise on your campuses is not a mystery -it is a clear result of substituting political thought for scientific fact. I will make you a prediction that if your academic institutions continue on this path the USA will collapse within 20-50 years. There were a number of periods in civilised history where this same error and confusion infected the academic milieu particularly in medieval times and I name as perhaps the most hackneyed example – Galileo, Copernicus etc. Scientific fact, not “THOUGHT”, confirms the very antithesis of your ‘touchy’ ‘feely’ ideas where you contort what you would like to be the truth into your personal ‘truth’. I can guarantee you sir that will never fly!
I can guarantee you sir that will never fly. My brother Orville proved him wrong we were Wright.
So according to you the overwhelming preponderance of mainstream scientific and academic thought is wrong but laughable pseudoscience spewing “race realist” neophyte keyboard warrior morons like yourself and the admin are right.
Umm…I don’t think so.
Shall Odysseus invoke Calypso? Where art thou? Why not embark with me on the next leg of a scientific journey where truth only prevails. The proper categorization of species- is this a forbidden subject? Perhaps you…. like all weak folk are slaves to your own prejudices yet claim allegiance to science. It is here that I defy you and your medievil non-scientific ad hominem methods and challenge you to confront me directly – if I am wrong then as a General who has the capacity and intellect to bow to the truth will admit to it -so challenge me to the duel. I shall gladly sacrifice myself on the alter of truth if it is so required -I am a soldier of honour. Might you claim the same? So far, based on your record I doubt it.
Chinedu “Monkey scribblings’
Since you raised the issue of monkey scribblings perhaps you would like to confirm that the lyrics quoted in my previous post – ‘Slob on my Knob’ were penned by the negro hip hop group 36 Mafia. Or do you not have the balls? -Perhaps the issue of cowardice could then be raised?
For your edification you might want to read the short story:
“How to Hunt Dinosaurs” by L. Sprague de Camp
You’re not only profoundly stupid and deeply delusional, I’m afraid you’re also a psychopath. I don’t think anyone is going to wade through your tangled, incoherent and utterly nonsensical monkey scribblings.
A message for Chinedu
Lets have a look at some IQ issues – and I am ignoring your dumb president who keeps council with the likes of geniuses like JZ and (big?-now little) Al so here are the lyrics of Oscar winners 36 Mafia.
Slob On My Knob”
Slob on my knob
Like corn on the cob
Check in with me, and do your job
Lay on the bed, and give me head
Don’t have to ask, don’t have to beg
Juicy is my name
Sex is my game
Let’s call the boys, let’s run a train
Squeeze on my nuts
Lick on my butt
The natural curly hair, please don’t touch
First find a mate
Second find a place
Third find a bag, to hide the ho face
Real name rover
I said bend over
I started to knock, then came the odor
Smelled like mush
Shouldn’t had a woosh
Told her to stop, and take a dush
While she did that
I didn’t want the cat
So I bounced out and never came back
Suck a nigga dick or something [4x]
Now I put to you something else – you dumb imbecile you haven’t a damn clue!!!
John Gillespie Magee, Jr RAF pilot killed in combat WWII
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, –and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of –Wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air…
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Western Civilisation has been at it for 6000+ years (perhaps have a look at the Alpine Iceman, you might get a wake up call) Wake up and stop trying to expose your obviously deep seated inferiority complex. People have moved on from racism- its a dumb stupid epithet that fits only those who are still trapped in some form of infancy and insecurity. I hope you will in time transcend it- if you don’t you are already a dinosaur. Best of luck.READ!!!!
‘another load of fertilizer sucked from his thumb or nether regions’
This individual or what ever it is, is typical of the ill educated. No ability regarding statistical analysis, distributions and deviations. He cherry picks a handful of Caribbean countries that flourish on the back of illicit English banking laws that attract investment and oversubscribed tourism from elitist Brits who still exercise control over many of these islands. Maybe he would like to explain why of the 165 African countries 90% of them occupy the lowest rungs on the global GDP ladder. Perhaps he could also deliver a dissertation on why Namibia, Botswana and South Africa completely defy the general African performance trends and figures in every category. There are very good established reasons so go on genius have a go. Lets see how you fair.
“And additionally, it does not explain the intellectual, professional, political failure of Blacks everywhere, from Detroit to Haiti to Africa.”
Yet more stupidity. Haiti is not the only black majority country in the Caribbean. Some black Caribbean countries have better living standards and safer more orderly environments than European and Asian countries.
Detroit is not the only black majority city or municipality. There are many middle class and affluent black communities in America that are no less safe and no less well managed than their white counterparts.
Many black African countries have a higher GDP per capita than Russia and other Eastern European countries. What’s more, according to the Global Peace Index multiple black African countries rank higher than the United States, parts of Western Europe, all of Eastern Europe, all of the Middle East and most of Asia.
Either you’re a hardcore racist (which means you’re impervious to reason, logic or even reality) or you are just about the dumbest blogger on the entire Internet.
I was not aware that you have to date made any salient points other than the frothing babble of a deranged demagogue afflicted with an extended rapier of a mis-allinged tongue most probably inherited from the depths of Sterkfontein and an insult to Mrs Ples!
That’s a typo, you moron. Beyond that, you’ve said absolutely nothing. Not one point that I’ve made have you even come close to refuting. You are heralding a clownish pseudoscientist like Rushton as the paragon of scientific virtue. That makes you a complete idiot.
What you clowns fail to understand is that your ideology will never find even minor acceptance as long as you continue to cite buffoons like Rushton. If you were to try to introduce Rushton’s “work” in a court of law as some sort of expert testimony you’d be laughed out of the building. Furthermore, your penchant for cherrypicked correlations, confirmation bias and fraudulent or out of context statistics are yet more reasons people like you and the admin are firmly ensconced among an infinitesimally small fringe group who attempt to use the anonymity of the Internet to give voice to their stupidity. Just go into the real world and try to expound on your ridiculous race and intelligence theories and see how far you get.
It is an obvious and well-documented fact that Negroids are intellectually inferior to all the other races of the human species. You have to thank all those whites who raped the females in your ancestry line for what little traits of intelligence you possess.
I live in Russia, and we are a poor country. Our living standards are lower than those of black Americans. Still my personal IQ is 126, and the average IQ of white Russians is 100. The IQ does not depend on food. If you have nothing to eat at home, you are motivated to read books, you think how you can earn money. Black Americans have more money than we do and they can eat better food… I do not understand why do black Americams compare themselves with white Americans rather than with white people in poor countries.
Sorry for misprint. You must read Americans rather than Americams.