Tag: Human Rights

Movie of 15 year old girl repeatedly brutally stomped on head: prime time news. Depicting the same girl posing nude would be child porn, a heinous crime.

The beating last month of a 15-year-old girl in the transit tunnel at Westlake Center as security personnel watched without intervening is prompting a review of King County Metro’s policies for its unarmed guards.

The incident — which was partially captured on surveillance video — happened about 7:15 p.m. Jan. 28 and involved a large group of teens and young adults, according to the King County Sheriff’s Office. Another 15-year-old girl is allegedly the one who can be seen on the video assaulting the victim, kicking her head several times while she is on the pavement.

Two security guards stand over the victim while she’s being pummeled and do not intervene. At one point in the video, one guard is seen raising his arm toward the assailant, who ignores him.

Source, more details, comments:
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011027703_webbeating09m.html

A girl gets attacked by a thug girl. Before that the victim had tried to hide behind 3 security guards, to no avail. The guards had orders not to interfere. Even when the girl was on the floor, repeatedly getting her head stomped by the attacking girl. Another guy from her gang robbed the girl’s bag with her iphone and other belongings.
Warning: graphic content. Gratuitous REAL violence.


Topic 1: human rights of criminals

If the guards interfered and hurt a thug, they would stand accused of hurting the perpetrator. The guard could face dismissal, ruinously expensive lawsuits, jail.  It is safer for the guards not to interfere. And this is what the official security company policy is.

The academic armchair political correctness human rights & feminist crowd has perverted our justice system.  Redneck country cowboys still have healthy human reactions, but they risk getting jailed.

Topic 2:  Child Porn witch hunt: depicting life threatening violence against children: legal. Depiction of nudity or healthy sexuality: a heinous felony.

Showing an underage girl getting life-threatening stomps on the face, while on the floor, that is normal news cast on prime time TV. Now mere possession of a movie of the same girl posing nude, or, God beware, masturbating, or making love with her boy friend, that would be a heinous crime.  Production or televising such “child porn” would yield 3-25 years in prison.  Criminal violence against children may be shown.

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Death by Stoning for Adultery (Iran). Criminalisation of Adultery is the Problem, not the Stoning

Iranian Official: Western ‘Propaganda’ Won’t Stop Woman’s Execution By Stoning

Government officials, celebrities and ordinary citizens from around the world have joined international human-rights organizations in a growing campaign against the stoning sentence given to Ms. Mohammadi Ashtiani. She was first convicted on May 15, 2006, of having an “illicit relationship” with two men, for which she received 99 lashes. At a subsequent trial of a man accused of murdering her husband, Ms. Mohammadi Ashtiani was charged with “adultery while being married”. It is for that crime that she has been sentenced to death by stoning.  www.jostruthers.com/story.php?sid=26253

Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani is a repeat offender. Already got 99 lashes for “illicit relationship” with two men, and then committed “adultery while being married”. Prof. Farhang, who resigned his diplomatic post over the holding of U.S. hostages in Tehran in 1979 and now teaches political science at Bennington College in Vermont, says the international campaign against the execution by stoning is having an effect.

“You hear two kinds of arguments,” he said. “Some attack the execution just because of the reprehensible nature of stoning. That’s widely heard inside Iran and among Iranians,” he said.

“Others attack the sentence because they’re opposed to any form of capital punishment,” he added. “That’s a more common international sentiment.”

The outcome of all that, Farhang, says, might be an execution by other means (hanging or shooting), but it might well be a commuting of Ms. Mohammadi Ashtiani’s death sentence. jostruthers.com/story.php?sid=26253

  1. What is the logic behind heavy penalties for illicit sexual relationships and adultery?
    In antiquity, When the Bible and the Koran were written, there were no birth control nor genetic paternity tests. Drakonian laws against adultery and pre-marital sex gave men sufficient trust that they were investing their life’s work and effort in their own offspring and not someone elses kid.
    The Koran and the Bible were right, in their times: such laws could contribute to stability of family and society.  Religious dogma and zealotism, unfortunately, prevent any rational modern re-analysis of these topics in the face of birth control and DNA testing.
  2. Should people get heavy penalties for illicit sexual relationships and adultery?
    Looking at things from a more rational point of view, I believe there is strong enough motive to prohibit people from having fun and enjoy their sexuality. Emphasis should be on birth control and disease prevention. Interestingly, protests are about stoning, not about being punished with death for adultery. Life in prison for adultery should be ok then?
    Interestingly, there are no strong protests about the 99 lashes for sexual relationships and severe punishment for adultery. Sure, who are we, in Western countries, who give Genarlow Wilson a 10 year jail sentence for having oral sex with a girl 2 years younger then him (see more drakonian punishments in the section about teenage sexuality)
  3. Punishment for Aultery?
    If someone enters a marriage contract and swears sexual faithgulness, maybe s/he should be punished for breach of contract. Of course, the problem is that there is no freedom to negotiate the conditions of a marriage contract. Maybe marriage should be negotiable, with open free marriage being an option.
  4. Are stoning and death penalty legitimate?
    Maybe we need stricter laws for real heinous crimes by incurable repeat offenders such as violent hooligans, street gangs, bullies who clearly damage their victims and instill insecurity in society. Maybe such people should be executed. Maybe stoning would be very appropriate.

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Why a doberman is better then a security guard or policeman

A doberman guard dog does not know about human rights. If your attacker kicks or shoves a Doberman, he get what he deserves, and nobody feels pity for the attacker.

(in case you don’t get the joke.

  • If you shove a policeman and he gives you one single punch only, the policeman already suffers an inquiry.
  • if you punch a guy, and he knives you in self defense, your punching victim may go to jail
  • You mess with a dog, the dog has no human rights training. The dog has no scruples.
  • The dog is like a mobster, like a motorcycle gang member. The has a short trigger, and reacts impulsively, with no mercy.
  • You don’t mess with a mobster, a gang member, a motorcycle gang member. Nor with a dog.
  • so if someone invades a yard guarded by 3 dobermen, he gets dilacerated. And nobody pities him.
  • if a group of punks invade a yard guarded by 3 security guards, the security guards are too afraid to respond in force

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"Human Rights" protect criminals to the detriment of law abiding citizens

A woman started a scuffle with a policeman over a jaywalking ticket.  Then she resists arrest. Her friend shoves the policeman.  The policeman, faced with 2 unruly women scuffling with him, punches one girl in the face and then arrests both.

Again and again, he [the officer] tried to subdue the 19-year old. But the struggle continued. Suddenly, from the sidelines jumped the girl’s 17-year old friend. She shoved the officer out of the way. […] He closes his fist, winds up, and lands a hard right to her face.

[Human Rights proponent:] I don’t excuse her behavior. She was clearly in the wrong. But again, a force of a punch to the face is not justifiable.
See the entire video with transcript & subtitles

Human Rights seems to be mainly concerned with protecting criminals. People who are wrong. You don’t resist a police officer. You don’t shove a police officer. First you put yourself outside of the law, and then you look for protection of the law.

How does a police officer arrest 2 unruly women? If he maced and tasered them, that would be ok? He has to do a profound analysis, if the girls will escalate? How does he know if more people will interfere? Or if one woman has fighting skills, weapons? So a police officer has to take risks to protect the human rights of girls that are clearly wrong and that attack him!?

Interestingly, dictatorships do not have major crime problems. Nor do Brazilian shanty towns dominated by criminal gangs, or cities controlled by the mafia. Most smaller criminals can get subdued by rigorous law and order.

Devli’s advocate s provocative proposal
The suspension of due process, normal in alleged rape, child abuse and child porn cases, should be applied to crimes with real violence and real victims, where public safety is at stake. If simple unproven accusations would suffice to arrest and try bullies and street criminals, maybe public safety could be reinstated

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“Human Rights”-in-favor-of-Criminals Scheme

Example: ->

Pattern

 Girls shoving Policemen Gang attack victim stabs attacking gang banger Rodney King
(Los Angeles,1992)
“Bad guy” does something wrong or illegal Girls start scuffle with policeman, resist arrest & attack policeman on duty Group of thugs attack innocent students. Already knocked down one victim. Attacks next victim * Rodney King takes LA police on high speed car chase

* risking life of many innocent drivers and pedestrians on the way,

* He resists arrest, resists handcuffs, and attacks arresting policemen.
“Good Guy” reacts Unable to handcuff 2 unruly girls at the same time, policeman returns a punch to the girl that shoved him Next victim pulls a knife, and stabs attacker in throat. Police taser and beat in attempt to subdue and handcuff.

Rodney King keeps getting up. Police takes necessary measures to subdue him.

Even if they were overreacting, how serious is that compared to felony reckless driving, parole violation and drunk driving?
“Human Rights” worry about the guilty criminals Girl interferes with police work. Attacks policeman who is busy with another unruly girl.

Poor girl got a punch after attacking a policeman who, alone, faces 2 attackers

 A group of thugs attacks innocent guys with punches. A victim defends himself with a knife.

How unjust for the attacker to get stabbed without prior warning

 If police tells you to lie down and you get up, you must be aware of the consequences.

Even more if you are clearly wrong, drunk driving, parole violation and reckless driving on escape attempt.

Poor guy: almost killed innocent citizens with his car, could have injured police officers on duty, and got some beating with no long term effects.
“Human Rights” don’t get concerned about victims, safety of society and law abiding citizens Police should engage in half hour scuffle with the girls. If girls use weapons, or more people enter in the fight, tough luck.

If the girls escape and thus learn that it pays to resist police, tough luck too.

 Attack victim has risk his life

  • by first warning the gangster that he will stab him,
  • losing the element of surprise.
  • allowing the gangsters to get their own weapons,  or
    to regroup and gang up on him, or

When attacked by a group of thugs, victim has to do a legal analysis of the case before acting.

 Safety of policemen is not important.

Safety of society against criminal reckless driving felons is not important.
“Good Guy” gets into trouble Police get suspended, suffer inquiry. Press and “anti-racists” attack the police for doing their duty. In this case the attack victim, a student, got 3 years 9 months unsuspended jail sentence! Police suffered inquiry, legal challenges.
Either way, “good guys” get into trouble, even if they act differently At other occasions, police may get injured for reacting too lightly or too slow Had he wasted time with warnings, and not defended himself, he could have been knocked down, beaten to death. The attackers could have gotten out their (bigger) knives.  He might have been attacked by the entire group of the agressor. If police is too lenient, they may suffer consequences:

  • police may get hit, injured,
  • if the criminal happens to have a weapon police can get shot and die
  • or if he escapes due to police leniency police will be reprimanded
  • if he escapes, he will continue endangering innocent bystanders
The exact “human right” of the criminal Attack police trying to arrest your friend and have the human right not get punched You may knock down one person, attack the next person. You have the human right to be politely warned before getting knived in self-defense. Human right to resist police, flee for an hour endangering hundreds of people’s life, continuing to resist, try to attack police, being potentially armed, not surrender to police. You have the human right not get beaten into submission until you get handcuffed
Sources of information Video with transcript & subtitles Prison for Self Defense
Prison for Self Defense (2)
Prison term length reconsidered		 Rodney King (Wikipedia)

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Killer’s human rights: German killers sue Wikipedia to have their names expurged

In 1990, Bavarian actor Walter Sedlmayr was brutally murdered. Two of his business associates were convicted, imprisoned for the crime, and recently paroled. Who killed Sedlmayr? Its a matter of public record, but if one of the men and his German law firm gets their way, Wikipedia (and EFF) will not be allowed to tell you. A few days ago, the online encyclopedia received a cease and desist letter from one of the convicts—represented by the aptly named German law firm Stopp and Stopp—demanding that the perpetrator’s name be taken off of the Sedlmayr article page.

At issue is an apparent conflict between the U.S. First Amendment—which protects truthful speech—and German law—which seeks to protect the name and likenesses of private persons from unwanted publicity.

Source: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/murderer-wikipedia-shhh

Human rights became a weapon to protect criminals. German courts convincingly take human rights protection to their logical conclusion. Convicted criminals should have a chance in life to re-socialize, after they get out of jail and finished their punishment.

Would it not be interesting if Walter Sedlmeyer’s heirs were fined or imprisioned for publishing the name of their father’s murderer?

Maybe off-line paper encyclopedias should be burned to expurge history? What about Hitler’s and Stalin’s rights to be forgotten?

Devil’s advocate’s irreverant suggestion

Maybe we should re-think human rights for criminals. Maybe like in old times, criminals should be executed, or permanently marked and mutilated.

Or maybe we should go all the way with human rights and government should employ or financially support criminals for the rest of their life, This is more honest then deceiving citizens into employing ex-criminals  who were given a deceptively clean police record. Some hard labor jobs where they can earn their living but not threaten law abiding citizens would be a good option.

Brazil takes human rights for adolescents to the extreme: underage (under 18 years) criminals can get a maximum of 3 years of “educational measures” even if they killed, raped, and mutiliated many people). And after these three years, their criminal record is wiped clean. So you can do a background check on your new baby sitter or house maid, and get a clean police record, even though she is a multiple rapist and serial killer. This is “human rights” taken to their extreme. It is strange: law abiding citizens have no human rights to be protected from criminals.

Praise the US constitution and the First Amendment.  No discussion in the US about censoring truth. Not a chance.

Of course, on the other end of the spectrum are kids who will be on sex offender lists all life long for having had consensual sex with a 15 year old when they were 17 or 18 year old.

Latest News: the German Supreme Court decided that the freedom of press archives is more important then the right of criminals to have their records deleted (Bundesgerichtshof urteilt gegen Sedlmayr-Mörder Dec. 15, 2009)

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UK: Police stop and search innocent white people to balance race figures, terror watchdog says

Political correctness going overboard. It just so happens that suicide bombers rarely are blonde white old ladies. But it violates civil rights when black, Arab or Asian muslim males are singled out as terrorist subjects.

He accused the police of wasting time and money by carrying out “self-evidently unmerited searches”, which were also an invasion of civil liberties. The searches, for example, of blonde women who fit no terrorist profile came against a backdrop of complaints from rights groups that the number of black and Muslim people being stopped and searched by police was disproportionate.

Lord Carlile said that police were stopping white people unjustifiably so that official figures would make it look as if they were not singling out black and Asian people under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000. “No police officer has admitted that to me, but I believe that is the case,” he told The Times.

from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6521199.ece

Of course, there is another human rights problem. The problem of innocent white subjects being searched purely for statistical reasons, in spite of not fitting any statistic pattern for terrorists Just for political correctness. That is a violation of their civil rights.
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Somali pirates rewarded with asylum in Europe

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European jails look like a luxury resort to arrested Somali Pirates.  After their jail term they can not be sent back against their will,  instead pirates want to request asylum and then bring their families over. Exactly the kind of immigrants a country needs!

Human Rights, when overdone as a inflexible dogma, encourage crime.

Somali pirates embrace capture as route to Europe

Pirates captured after attacking a Dutch vessel have gone on trial in the liberal Netherlands and at least two of them have declared their intention to stay on as residents.

Geert-Jan Knoops, an international criminal law attorney and professor at the Royal University of Utrecht, has suggested that the Dutch trial might encourage pirates to surrender just in order to seek a better life in Western countries. [ . . . ]

“Life is good here,” said one of the defendants, named Sayid, about his experience in a Dutch jail.
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“My client feels safe here. His own village is dominated by poverty and sharia [Islamic law] but here he has good food and can play football and watch television. He thinks the lavatory in his cell is fantastic,” he said.

Mr Ausma has told the Somali that he will be considered for a residence permit after serving his sentence, expected to be a maximum of four years in prison.

“He intends to send for his wife and children as soon as he is released from prison. He knows he cannot easily be sent back to Somalia. He loves it here in the Netherlands,” Mr Ausma told the NRC Handelsblad newspaper.

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Pirates with Grenade Launchers Attack British Ship. Captured and set Free by Portuguese Navy

Heavily armed pirates attack a British ship. They were arrested by a Portuguese warship (part of the same Nato alliance as Britain) and then set fee.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8030541.stm

Explosives and grenade launchers were discovered on the mother ship when Portuguese special forces boarded “with no exchange of fire”, Lt Cmdr Alexandre Santos Fernandes said.

“It was almost a kilogramme of high explosives. If used correctly it can open a hole in the hull of a ship and sink her,” Lt Cmdr Fernandes said.

“It is the first time we have spotted high explosives on board a pirate ship, normally they just stick to AK-47s and RPGs (grenades).”

The 19 pirate suspects were released because they had not attacked Portuguese property or citizens.

I really wonder if that is furthering human happiness, or if it contributes to more suffering, encouraging further piracy by the same criminals and by others encouraged by their impunity.