Could easy access to legalized prostitution have taken the wrath out of Santa Barbara shooter Elliott Rodger?
Peer reviewed scientific research by Professor Milton Diamond conclusively proved that access to porn and, yes, even child porn take the edge off natural or perverted sex drives and thus clearly reduces sex crimes. (Disclaimer)
Nevertheless, feminists and religious zealots strive to take all sexual outlets away from men, be it prostitution, sex travel, or mere pornography for masturbation. Thus these politicians bear partial responsibility for increasing sex crimes against women and children, and probably for the mayhem created by Elliot Rodger.
Feminist "women studies" junk science (domestic violence, objectifying gaze) backs up such misguided policies. Additionally these policies needlessly cause silent suffering of millions of non-violent non criminal male losers who are strong enough not to be taken over the edge to violence.
"Girls, all I ever wanted was to love you, be loved by you.
I wanted a girlfriend. I wanted sex, love, affection, adoration."
"Hi, Elliot Rodger here. Well, this is my last video. It all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you
"For the last eight years of my life, since I hit puberty, I’ve been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires, all because girls have never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men, never to me.
"I’m 22 years old and still a virgin, never even kissed a girl. And through college, 2 1/2 years, more than that actually, I’m still a virgin. It has been very torturous. Shooter’s video transcript
40 year old male virgins are considered funny and rarely pitied or offered reprieve. In Maslow’s hierarchy of needs sex is in the lowest, most basic level:"breathing, food, water, sex, sleep, homeostasis, excretion".
- Dane fights for state-funded sex
- Councils pay for disabled to visit prostitutes and lap-dancing clubs
Men’s life long solitude does not concern anyone. DNA testing has proven that in the EEA
Every slightest inconvenience to women, harassment, no matter how light, objectifying gaze, same salary for less work (fire fighters, tennis). Women who cut of penises (Lorena Bobbitt) or who outright murder men get feminist support in academia and law:
"College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. In those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness, it’s not fair.
"You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me but I will punish you all for it. It’s an injustice, a crime because I don’t know what you don’t see in me, I’m the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I will punish all of you for it. [laughs]
"On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house at UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see inside there. All those girls I’ve desired so much. They have all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance toward them, while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.
"I take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you., You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, the true alpha male. [laughs] Yes, after I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house, I’ll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure while I’ve had to rot in loneliness all these years. They all look down upon me every time I tried to join them, they’ve all treated me like a mouse.
Read the rest of the transcript here: Shooter’s video transcript
Related story: Shooting that killed 7 near UCSB in Isla Vista premeditated, authorities say
Adolfo Flores, Rosanna Xia, Richard Winton
One wonders just where and how a peer reviewed study, possibly monitored by an ethics committee, got legal access to child porn?
3 of his victims were killed with knives, but the anti gun lobby uses this as another pretext to outlaw guns. Maybe we ought to outlaw kitchen knives too?
Also it is interesting that Hollywood nowadays incites violence with movies like “Django unchained”, an orgy of violence against whites (and Black co-conspirators) perpetrated by the movie’s hero.
Details of these ideas here
http://davidduke.com/elliot-rodger-case-study-jewish-supremacism-poisoned-society/
OBS: citing this site does not mean agreement with all points, but I want to collect some non-mainstream sources that have different comments about the Elliot Rodgers mayhem.
Eivind Berghe’s take on Elliot Rodger
http://eivindberge.blogspot.com.br/2014/05/a-good-read.html
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/classify-mens-rights-movement-terrorist-group/W5018W63
Amazing, these lies.
@admin
“I wonder, I actually expect some of these PUA artists posting how they would have saved him and his victims. Any links?”
Here are Roissy and Roosh’s thoughts on Elliot Rodger:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/what-advice-would-ch-have-given-to-a-younger-elliot-rodger/
http://www.returnofkings.com/36135/no-one-would-have-died-if-pua-hate-killer-elliot-rodger-learned-game
Here is a thoughtful video piece by MGTOW RazorBladeKandy on Rodger:
@Stephen, very interesting Heartiste and ReturnOfKings comments on Elliot Rodger. Keep posting your comments!
@Caprizchka
“However, I’m perfectly OK with having state-funded needs-based prostitution services, that is, of course, if one can’t seem to find a nice fat girl who wants a hook up. How difficult could that be?”
Why should prostitution be limited to men who can’t get women by other means? To be honest this notion of omega men getting together with unattractive women doesn’t work. My observation is that women in the 1-3 range in looks are simply so physically repulsive to most men that such men could not achieve sexual function with such women. I suspect having an incredibly ugly woman come onto to a man feels like adding insult to injury. The choice between nothing or someone you feel no desire for is not a choice at all! Telling a sexually hungry man to sleep with a woman he has zero attraction to is like telling him to sleep with another man. It is very insulting and only intensifies such a man’s alienation.
(I would like help the very unattractive females but I don’t know how. Most unattractive men would simply be satisfied with decriminalized/legalized prostitution but ugly women want relationships and even most ugly men are simply physically and emotionally unable to do this.)
I think the real engine behind the Christian/feminist efforts in the 1890-1950 period to criminalize prostitution was the ordinary women. These women were holding hands with sex hating Christians and man hating feminists pretending that consensual prostitution was “white slavery” because a sizable portion of the male population found hard monogamy undesirable and unrewarding and were having prostitutes (when prostitution was legal) on the side. Criminalizing prostitution was a covert effort by the female population to force hard monogamy on men.
In the modern era, why should men who don’t want a monogamous relationship be forced into such in order to get sex? Is it really good for either party when a man only wants women for sex but is being forced to feign feelings he doesn’t have (and perhaps make a disastrous legal contract) in order to have sexual fulfillment? This notion that men should be forced to form relationships with women to get sex seems very gynocentric to me and exploitative also. Let’s stop having protectionism in female sexual access and let’s have a genuine free market through prostitution decriminalization.
Clarence:
I’m actually going to agree with you for once. Roger’s manifesto also spelled out considerable contempt for casual sex of any kind. Antifeminist suggested Roger may have been a latent homosexual and Roger’s behavior does show characteristics of that.
HS & Tea:
What everyone seems to be overlooking in this case is that Roger lived in a culture where sex should, in theory, have been easy. For Heavens sake: his father was a Hollywood movie director. How many aspiring actresses would willingly sleep with a director’s son? You know the answer to that question.
Roger was a fruitcake. Prostitutes wouldn’t have helped.
HS:
While I agree that legalized and of course regulated (I DO care for the girls and few guys who do put their bodies on the line that way) prostitution will help many lonely men, I don’t think it would have helped THIS guy.
I’ve not just watched that vid (and a few of his earlier ones) but read the manifesto.
The guy was an entitled asshole who believed he was morally superior to just about everyone. He also probably (though he doesn’t explicitly state it that I remember) looked down on prostitutes. The guy wasn’t wealthy but most of his life was upper middle class. He had a Benz. Why didn’t he go to Nevada? Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me if his parents made an offer like that to him – they had him basically living in an assisted living facility and had downright paid for female companions (though not of the sex kind) for him before. He considered these paid female non-sexual escorts demeaning, I’m reasonably sure he felt all prostitutes were ‘beneath’ him. He also was with counselors most of the past ten years. None of the mental health services he was offered seemed to help.
Sorry, but he was a deeply disturbed and in many ways spoiled young man. He’s not your average “omega” virgin 25,30, or 40 year old virgin, esp not a poor one. This guy had access to money and a support network and he STILL hated everyone.
I don’t actually believe that pornography and sexual outlets would have helped Rodgers, who, by the way, is rich and good looking. He must have a truly dysfunctional personality which is unsurprising in a mass murderer. However, I’m perfectly OK with having state-funded needs-based prostitution services, that is, of course, if one can’t seem to find a nice fat girl who wants a hook up. How difficult could that be?
We are pretty much in agreement.
But notice that most dysfunctional crazy horny women can find a man (who then is forced, by government, to pay child support) and socially inept men remain solitary. Even if they are rich, good looking and pretty intelligent. And society, in that case, is not worried about these men’s well being but perfectly satisfied that brutal Darwinian sexual selection runs its course.
And again, I am not promoting mass killings, just explaining how government’s striving to satisfy frustrated men could reduce the danger of such killings.
He reminds me of Travis Bickle from the Martin Scorsese film “Taxi Driver.”
On every street in every city, there’s a nobody who dreams of being a somebody.
He’s a lonely forgotten man desperate to prove that he’s alive.
Well said HS. I’ve been contemplating writing about this tragedy myself. I think it’s important to realize that aside from being human beings, young women are also commodities. There is a “supply and demand” dynamic at work here just like other commodities. There is also a vast inequality of distribution, which is not a bad thing in its own right. But to simply ignore the multitude of lonely, frustrated males is a grave mistake.
There are other ways to deal with sexual frustration. Rodger should have been counseled and taught them; it might have saved lives. What a shame.
I read his manifesto a little more and I discovered a part where he does mention prostitution.
“The second Counselor that was assigned to help me was a girl named Sasha. She was only a year older than me. Sasha was the first young girl I had interacted with in the entire time I stayed in Santa Barbara, and she was only hired to talk to me. How pathetic is that? At first, I didn’t want to have a female counselor, but then I was introduced to her, I saw that she was a quite pretty blonde. I couldn’t refuse the opportunity to hang out with a blonde girl, despite the fact that she was a hired friend. It was the only time in my life that I had the experience spending time with a girl my age, and even though it was all fake, I really enjoyed it. I felt so much better about life each time we met. But then, I thought about how unfair it was that I could only get a fake little taste of such an experience, while other men get to do such a thing every single day with their girlfriends. Eventually, Sasha had to move out of Santa Barbara, and I decided not to have anymore female counselors. It has the same effect as hiring a prostitute, I imagine. It temporarily feels good for the moment, but afterwards it makes one feel like a pathetic loser for having to hire a girl when other men could get the experience for free.”
Hiring prostitutes is very empowering, the fact that you don’t owe her anything after you paid, the fact that you can have 4 girls in one afternoon, with no bad feelings left. In countries where prostitution is accepted, married men have concubines, girl friends, and consort with prostitutes.
It seems Elliot Rodger was kind of romantic. I would have been worried to set him up with a female friend, one could not know how he would react to a breakup or fight in general. I think he also could have saved by paying him a trip to any pickup artist teacher and have him have a few weeks of training.
I wonder, I actually expect some of these PUA artists posting how they would have saved him and his victims. Any links?
@Stephen
I don’t Elliot was doomed forever to be alone. It is possible for someone like him to learn to be more social and outgoing and to get girlfriends. Social anxiety is supposedly one of the easiest personality disorders to cure (although the fact he actually had access to a therapist makes that disconcerting.) In his manifesto he talks about seeing beautiful girls alone but never attempts conversation because he is too scared about being judged negatively by them. The question I would like to ask is – how the hell did he expect to ever get a girlfriend if he never talks to them? There were very meek attempts like saying hi in passing or smiling as they passed but that’s not going to get anyone laid.
What he really needed was a alpha male friend who would help him get a woman. Someone who would take him under his wing and teach him the ropes. A sort of Randle McMurphy (if you’ve ever read One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest) But I guess there aren’t many guys like that. Perhaps Elliot is right that they are all a bunch of douchebags that get the pretty girls.
I’ve been reading through his manifesto and it’s interesting that the thought of going to a prostitute never even seems to cross his mind, so I’m not sure how much of a difference it would have made in his case. He seemed to yearn for validation more than anything; a woman who would give herself to him because she genuinely loved him. He wanted someone he could have as a girlfriend. Paying a woman might have made him feel more pathetic, but it’s impossible to say what his thoughts would have been since he never mentions it.
An interest in pornography seems to be non existent too. Whenever he discusses masturbating it’s to a fantasy in his head. Perhaps seeing other people fuck would have been to painful for him. He describes going into a rages whenever seeing couples together. I have to admit the parts where he throws drinks at them made me chuckle.
When I was a kid I remember always being told by adults that the worst part of Hell was being able to look up and see everyone in Heaven. That’s how I imagine Elliot felt and I do feel bad for him and worse for the people who were killed. He should have never gone to that college. It’s not a good place for loner types, especially ones that suffer from social anxiety and want to fit in. It’s like a polar bear trying to make it in a desert.
If it is funny to laugh at guys like this, then why can’t guys like this laugh back? Just asking?
This should read “(A) ignorant of the fact that men aren’t just women with penises but have a different physiology and psychology that makes them passionately crave sex”
Also, no one teaches men to desire sex. Men have a deep nature derived desire for sex that I suspect most women have not bothered to examine. Women who claim men are taught to want sex are either (A) ignorant of the fact that men aren’t just women with penises but have a different physiology and psychology that passionately crave sex OR (B) simply misandrist and get off trying to shame and insult men for their intrinsic nature.
I agree with the admin. I suspect that a great deal of these spree, office, and school shootings are the result of men going berserk out of lack of sexual access. The male need for sexual release from a woman he is at least somewhat attracted to is so critical to male well being. A sexually fed male is much less likely, I think, to turn into Elliot Rodger, George Sodini, Cho Seung-Hui, or James Holmes. (Though there are the almost sexless acting Michael Myers imitating psychotics, such as Jared Loughner and Adam Lanza, who appeared to lash out simply because they are insane. Such people will probably always be around and need to be locked up for public protection!)
I think game could help some of these people. If game were widely taught, I think some of them could actually have the sex they want. As for the one’s who game couldn’t help because (A) they lack the personality prerequisites to master game or (B) they are Lesser Betas or Omegas which game can’t bring women they’re attracted to them, the solution should be to decriminalize prostitution. Cho Seung-Hui was angry that a woman claiming to be an illegal sex worker stole his money and ran off and all of these guys (including a good deal of abused and overworked office and school shooters) appear to have no woman to make their lives bearable. Maybe those people killed by Sodini and Rodger would be alive today if they had had the legal option of seeing a sex worker. (I doubt a lot of these guys could figure out where to find a legitimate prostitute in the current black market we have in paid sex in this country.)
Many women seem not to appreciate how much of a need sex is for virtually all men. (I think some of the neo-feminists who tout “sex is not a right” bullshit are simply mean spirited misandrists who are deliberately trying to harm men.) By the way, Maggie McNeill has written a great deal, on her site The Honest Courtesan, on the deliberate efforts of those she refers to as neo-feminists to keep prostitution illegal. Neo-feminists are notorious for deliberately misrepresenting consensual prostitution as “sex trafficking” because they want the former criminalized and know they would have a considerably harder sell with the public if they acknowledged they weren’t concerned with stopping abuse but preventing men like Rodger from purchasing sexual release. If buying sex without worry of being robbed by a fraudulent sex worker (and left unsatisfied) or arrested by busybody police was allowed and this allowed just some of these men not to go postal it would be worth it.
good points. Especially about the sex trafficking lie.
A young handsome rich guy looking for a stable relationship is actually the dream of most girls, even of prostitutes.
you don’t see sexually frustrated women going out on killing sprees.
and females have sex drives and get lonely too. and they generally do not use male prostitutes. it’s hardly even a thing. the difference is that men are taught that they deserve blow jobs all the time. so what’s going on, men?
Women make false accusations of rape, Sexual allegations in divorce (SAID) to take revenge and to get even. Change the laws of the land to enslave men with life long alimony payments, demand same pay for less work (like in the fire department). They have more subtle and more successful means to get what they want.
Females have almost no problems if they have sex drives. Even the fugliest woman can land a man. Especially if she drinks to get more uninhibited. And as a plus, she can then accuse the man of rape for consensual sex with a tipsy woman. And if she is angry with her husband, she can kill cut his wiener off, with impunity, or kill him with near impunity.
Read the article. Most men (60%) in the last 100 000 years had zero offspring, because they did not qualify for a woman or a wife.
But let me repeat, I don’t defend mass murder in any way.
You must be a feminist? I don’t know any place where men are taught they deserve blow jobs all the time. They desire them without needing any teaching, and they strive hard to find women that think they deserve them.
Deranged weirdo goes on a rampage, mainly killing foreign guys. I don’t think there are any larger lessons to be learned, whether about prostitution or gun control.
@tea
Eliot Rodger was not a member of any Men’s Rights group. He was briefly interested in pick up artists (PUA are not men’s rights. Feminists and leftist conflate the two when they are not the same thing.) MRAs are interested in men’s legal and social issues, PUA are interested in attracting women. It’s really easy to see the difference, so easy that I have to assume that feminists are conflating the two on purpose. But to even say that Eliot was a fan of PUAs is wrong because he eventually joined an anti-pua site after deciding that they were cons. So MRAs had no responsibility of banishing him because he wasn’t even involved with them in the first place.
Actually, lots of PUA (Pick up Artists) are clearly MRA, but purely by definition, PUA is different from MRA, or just a subset of MRA. Do you know any PUA who is clearly feminist or Mangina?
Very interesting collection of links, from returnofkings and more sites. Worth looking at.
He was loaded and lived four hours away from legalized prostitution. His troubles did not involve a lack of access to prostitutes
As you still have not answered my question I assume you yourself see that the Killer was too proud to buy sex. So legalised prostitution which is a great thing in general and blocked by the mentally challenged christians could not have helped him. The Problem in this shooting was in fact male entitlement and a crooked view on women. So why didnt the MRA help him?
A 144 page autobiography of Elliot Rodger, the killer
Dane fights for state-funded sex
Prostitutes in Amsterdam, where brothels are legal
Mr Hansen called for Danish sex laws to be more like Holland’s
A disabled Danish man is fighting for the state to pay for him to have a prostitute visit him at home.
Torben Hansen, who has cerebral palsy, which severely affects his speech and mobility, believes his local authority should pay the extra charge he incurs when he hires a sex worker – because his disability means he cannot go to see them. His case is currently being considered.
In Denmark, local authorities compensate disabled people for extra costs incurred because of their disability.
“I want them to cover the extra expenses for the prostitutes to get here, because it’s a lot more expensive getting them to come to my home rather than me going to a brothel,” Mr Hansen told BBC World Service’s Outlook programme.
“It’s a necessity for me. I can’t move very well, and it’s impossible for me to go there.”
‘Unfair’
In Denmark, prostitution and other forms of sex work are not illegal so long as it is not a woman’s sole means of income.
Mr Hansen started seeing a prostitute after attending a course at a social centre.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4309012.stm
TL:DR Its a fact that prostitution reduces sex crime but how could have this crime be prevented by it? Dont you think this person would have been too proud to buy sex, since he thought he had a “right” to it?
Actually I have never heard of feminist trying to bann prostitution. Sexwork is one of the most dangerous work out there and making it illegal is not deleting prostitution its simply taking away any form of security a sexual worker could have. Here in germany we have brothels in which the sex workers get protection and also the social security of a regular worker like the right to call in sick. And it also increases sexual crime rates. The only people I have ever heard trying to bann prostitution were mentally challenged religious people.
I dont think illegal prostitution was the reason this happened we have no evidence this boy tried to buy sex services and was unable to do so, from the way he talks I think he would have been to proud to buy sexual service even if there was legal prostitutin where he lived. The problem was his attitude towards women. The point is he was not even ugly on the outside it was his fucked up view on women that made him lonely.
TL:DR Its a fact that prostitution reduces sex crime but how could have this crime be prevented by it? Dont you think this person would have been too proud to buy sex, since he thought he had a “right” to it?
The article cites serious research in many countries, how porn reduces sex crimes.
It is quite likely that availability of quality nice prostitution (not street corner crack wh.res) can help lonely men.
Of course, there is no guarantee that this would have prevented that guy’s spree. But there is a decent chance it would. It certainly would reduce suffering in a lot of good men who do not commit crimes
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html#ixzz32kEKsRqS
Its really sad to see how far male entitlement will go. He wasnt even bad looking but you can clearly see from the way he talks about women that he vieved them as inferiour creatures he had some cosmic “right” to use. He was mad because he thought this “right” was denied to him. He got no girlfriend because nobody wants to date a guy that looks down on them. Its the whole friendzone debate all over again : “Why should I be friends with a woman? I can have male superior friends, women are just here to serve my needs.” I just wonder where this kind of misogyny enters the mind of a young boy and why nobody helped him understand taht woman are in fact people. This crime could have been prevented and the mens rights organisations have a lot of work to do to banish their extremists. I hope crimes caused by male entitlement will get less with the melp of the mens rights movement.
Nobody here defends a vicious enraged killer.
I think no men’s rights activist feels entitled to murder. Unlike women, as quoted in the article Lorena Bobbitt had fan clubs, and “battered women syndrome” is a legal term to excuse premeditated heinous female murder.
Of course, feminists will manage to turn everything upside down, justify their own defense of mureresses, and falsely claim we defend murder.
After clearly condemning the murder, can we also talk about the millions of men that are lonely because they are rejected by women? And about feminists working hard to take away any sexual outlet these men could have, be it sluts, prostitutes, sex travel, or even jerking off to porn!