Irrational absurd child pornography laws
- victimize children by making them sex criminals for taking, passing on or possessing harmless photos of themselves
- put a large percentage of children at risk (those who possess so called child porn but are lucky not to be prosecuted)
- victimize children by increasing actual sex crimes against children (Professor Milton Diamond). Some dangerous pedophiles end up abusing real children because they have no legal outlet perusing pictures.
- victimize adults that inadvertently possess child pornography. Almost any computer has one potential child porn photo somewhere in a computer cache, recycle bin or spam email. Or in legally downloaded over-18 porn where the actress turned out to be a minor with a true valid government ID that “proved” she was over 18
- victimize adults that, by sexual orientation, seek child pornography. The prohibition takes away the chance to use a harmless outlet, in the privacy of their home, that does not harm real live children. In the US, possession of photos carries higher penalties then actual forcible child abuse.
The discussion is further complicated by manipulative language that intentionally confounds children and adolescents, confounds erotica and explicit pornography. We will elaborate further below.
30 percent of 17-year-olds with cell phones report receiving sexually-explicit texts
In other words, 30% of our adolescents are committing felonies and are at risk of getting victimized by law enforcement and court prosecutors. They are at risk to become registered sex offenders.
A 13-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy from Valparaiso have been charged with possession of child pornography and child exploitation after it was discovered they were using their cell phones to exchange nude pictures of themselves with each other.
So the children are exploiting themselves. And photographing oneself is a heinous felony.
Maybe children should go to prison for looking at themselves in the mirror when nude. Obviously, what they see in the mirror is child pornography.
Actually, nude children themselves are child pornography. Children see children nude all the time, but they cannot photograph them. It is probably hard for them to fathom that a photo of what they see all the time is a terrible thing, punishable with higher prison sentences then actual child beating , mutilation and child killing. The reason for this distorted logic is hard to understand. [1] [2]
Adult laws are crazy and insane, and thus hard to explain to reasonable children.
The “sexting” case is being dealt with in Indiana’s juvenile court system. In adult court, they could have faced 11 years in prison and been forced to register as sex offenders.
11 years in prison for photographing oneself. Pure insanity. If they inadvertently keep the photos it still can happen when they grow up [2]
Porter County Deputy Prosecutor Cheryl Polark told the Northwest Indiana Times that young people don’t understand the ramifications of texting nude pictures or posting certain material on social networking sites like Facebook. She said a nude picture could end up being shared with half the school and could get in the hands of people who seek out child pornography.
It is somewhat embarrassing if the photos get distributed all over school. But there are so many other embarrassing things in life that might end up on the internet. Photos of picking one’s nose, for example.
But what if they end up in the hands of people who seek out child pornography? Great! So these people could get child pornography that was produced without harming children! And if they live far away, then even the anonymity of the children is preserved.
Child pornography reduces sex crimes
Don’t forget, as Dr. Milton Diamond proved very clearly, that free access to child porn reduces sex crimes against children. The explanation for this is that a pedophile can masturbate to the child porn and thus diminishes his sexual urge and the need to seek live children.
Of course, “watching child porn victimizes the child”, according to the Voodoo science of child pornography laws”. Again, we can not understand how a child gets victimized if someone secretly looks at their photos, 1000s of miles away, in the privacy of his home. Child pornography laws are simply irrational witch hunt.
We fail to protect children from serious life threatening damage, be it fetal alcohol syndrome or child food porn that kills millions prematurely.
Make war, not love
Interestingly, movies of deadly violence towards children and adolescents do NOT victimize children. Only nudity and love-making victimize. Clubbing a 15 year old to death is mainstream TV news video. The same 15 year old happily nude and alive, or making love, would be felony child porn
- Years of Jail for “clicking on child porn link”. But lynching videos are legal.
- Supreme Court oks indefinite detention for possession of photos. But violent robbers get freed.
- Couple stoned to death by Taliban Video. 17 year old girl stoned to death, too.
- Woman causes permanent brain damage in infant: 2 years. Kills baby: 4 years. Man possesses photos: priceless (40 years)
- “Child Porn” Witch Hunt: Insane Laws”
In reality, any rational child (and even rational adult) can see that teens are not victimized by taking their photos, nor by someone looking at their photos. They are victimized by law enforcement and courts.
- Sexting: Courts victimize Teens with child porn charges for exchanging their own nude photos
- Jailed for possession of video of himself masturbating when he was 12. Another victim of child porn laws faces minimum 2 year jail
- Consult a lawyer before playing doctor. Perverse sex laws traumatize children.
- Cruel child porn laws kill, “destroying lives unnecessarily” (Judge Jack B. Weinstein)
- Sexting children Margarite, Isaiah in Lacey, Washington avoid jail
- Eek! A Male! Pedophile hysteria hurts and kills children
- 6-year-old charged with sexual assault for consensual doctor play
Parents, law abiding citizens, arts are victimized
Any honest law abiding citizen can be victimized by these laws.
- Border arrest & instant jail for owning DVD with young looking 19 year old porn star. Any honest citizen risks jail
- Mandatory 15 years jail for photos of legal girl friend: You Can Have Sex With Them; Just Don’t Photograph Them
Even arts and artist are endangered:
- Child Porn on Australian WTV television (and in video stores and academy award winning movies “The Tin Drum”)?
- Gallery escapes court over nude child photos (external link)
Films like “Blue Lagoon” are obviously child porn (underage actors depicting minors in sensual sex scenes). Nobody dared to prosecute, yet. And lots of 1970 mainstream newspapers page 3 girls (15 year old topless girls) and even the cover of “Der Spiegel” of 1977 are child porn by today’s standards.
Legal access to child pornography reduces child abuse crimes
And all these laws are not only in vain, but actually victimize real children. These prohibitions help to increase criminal child abuse. Serious respectable academic research has proven
A recent study from the Pew Research Center reported that 15 percent of teens ages 12-17 say they’ve received on their cell phones sexually suggestive nude or nearly nude images of someone they know.
So 15% of the teens deserve 11 years in jail for receiving harmless photos that other teens took of themselves.
We end our quotes from “30 percent of 17-year-olds with cell phones report receiving sexually-explicit texts” and move to other articles.
Another Really Good Article on Sexting
In July 2009, Reason magazine published my feature, “Anatomy of a Child Pornographer,” which examined the phenomena of teen sexting, and the ramifications — legal, emotional, political — of one incident in upstate New York.
Today’s New York Times runs, on page 1, “Poisoned Web: A Girl’s Nude Photo, and Altered Lives,” a fabulous and comprehensive piece covering the same issues, this time in the state of Washington, with a school administrator and prosecutor two years further down the line, and having learned the behavior will not change, only the way it is handled when handling becomes required.
More links
- Pedophilia witch hunt discussed by academia and press
- Bruce Rind Study: Scientific Publications Condemned and Repressed by US Congress and Senate
- Leading sex research experts against child porn laws: “Adolescents and young adults are no children”
- Cute child photo scares Reddit’s men’s rights into child porn frenzy
- Unborn Child Porn is Unborn Child Abuse. Outlaw fetal abuse!
- 17 year old “children”? United Nations confesses political manipulation of “child” definition
- History of child pornography production and laws, told by an insider
@Schopenbecq
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I agree entirely, but the background to the present laws is rather strange and complex.
Feminist lobby groups were orginally trying to get the United Nations to impose a universal world-wide age of consent at 18. In fact, this has been a historical mission of feminism since the Suffragettes and even before.
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You are probably right. It’s mostly sexual jealousy. These old and ugly feminists have no right to oppress youth.
But what amazes me is how so many MEN support them.
Firstly, teenagers are not children. Secondly, there is a light year of distance between nudity and actual sex.
What annoys me is when they say that EVEN THE PARENTS don’t have the right to consent for their own daughter!(Bill Henson) Are they seriously trying to pretend that they care more about the the child than their actual biological father and mother?
I don’t see any reply button. And I don’t see any other commentators using the block quote function so I assume it doesn’t work for them either.
The InMalaFide theme sounds like a good idea. The like or dislike buttons are the best thing about this theme (is it not a wp plugin).
It’s really irritating, as I said before, that the comments and posts only give the time of posting and not the date.
I think it works. But the vote/like/dislike stuff creates some confusion.
@Human Stupidity
Your block quote tag doesn’t appear to work.
Why don’t you change this crappy theme for something else? It’s very easy to customise the WordPress default theme, and it comes with the added bonus of actually working.
additionally, it is better to use the reply button, then the reply gets threaded underneath the original post.
Still, I was considering getting the paid theme that inmalafide uses and resells. Any opinion?
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“There are countries where age of consent laws are as low as 12, even lesser sometimes. In Europe alone it can be as low as 13. So we expect these 13-14 year to be able to safely handle the emotional consequences having sex, the consequences of catching sexually transmitted diseases and even the responsibility that comes with sex and pregnancy and motherhoood(if not aborted or no birth control).
And yet we are willing to punish people because some curious teen decides to pose nude for someone else? This is not only ridiculous, but CRUEL!”
I agree entirely, but the background to the present laws is rather strange and complex.
Feminist lobby groups were orginally trying to get the United Nations to impose a universal world-wide age of consent at 18. In fact, this has been a historical mission of feminism since the Suffragettes and even before.
At some point in the 1980’s, these feminist ‘child protection’ lobby groups decided that there was too much resistance from too many countries to their plan and changed tactics – they began campaiging for the definition of a child to be universally recognised as anybody under 18, as well as making ‘child porn’ illegal everywhere (any image of a person under 18, or anyone even looking under 18 – even a cartoon character looking under 18).
At this latter goal, they were spectacularly successful. With the help of US economic and political pressure, every country in the United Nations (except Somalia, and bizarrely, the USA) ratified the 1989 convention on the ‘rights’ of the child.
So now we have some curious anomolies. For example, a 40 year old Spanish man can quite freely pick up a 13 year old girl on the beach, take her home, and take her up the ass. But if he happens to take a picture of her even in her bikini (or her 17 year old sister) he faces imprisonment under child porn laws, even if he doesn’t show the picture to anybody else. In fact, if he even texts her afterwards telling her ‘the sex I had with you last night was fantastic’, he could be charged with ‘virtual child porn’. And if he texts her and says ‘can I fuck you again next week?’, he could potentially be charged under sexting and grooming laws.
Really, present child porn laws can be seen as an attempt by feminists to bring in a universal age of consent of 18 through the back door.
As such, many of these laws could be challenged legally at the European court of human rights.
@Schopenbeq very interesting comments. It kind of makes sense of the nonsensical legal persecutions.
You should write more about this.
@Alan Vaughn
Please come and comment on my site occasionally Alan. Do you still read it?
@Schopenbecq
Where is your site? I only read this forum, ‘antifeminist’ and ‘angry harry’ on a regular basis and generally like to add my ideas here (human-stupidity) and to the antifeminist’s posts. Both of those blogs owners share my thoughts exactly on all men’s issues that we all face in today’s sick and twisted world…
Lately, I have been at work for a lot of the time and I can only access human-stupidity from there. My employer’s network administrators have blocked access to the antifeminist’s blog (another issue: CENSORSHIP), but I can still go there when I’m at home from my own Internet connection. I’ll have a good read tonight – I have a few weeks to catch up on!
Hi Alan, I (schopenbecq) am the anti-feminist, sorry for not making that clear.
If my site has been blocked it might have been due to the period when I was hacked during the summer – I think I might be still be showing as a phishing site on certain anti-virus software.
You should really report that first commentator’s ip address to the authorities.
BTW, I wonder what Google search term he used to find your site?
Quote : “This is why Human-Stupidity, as the only site, insists to call a spade a spade.”
Yours is not the only site calling feminists and the media out on the manipulation of language – there are several others, including my own.
@Schopenbecq
“You should really report that first commentator’s ip address to the authorities.”…
I agree, but the problem is these days: the authorities would probably give him a pat on the back for being such a model citizen who is so proactive with protecting children from harm…
I’d be surprised if he even knows what google is.
Judging by his English literary skills, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was in that prison for murder, yet because he hates paedophiles he’s a hero, even if the man he probably helped to coerce into ending his life was totally innocent.
The reason this parasite and MILLIONS like him so despise ‘paedophiles’ I believe is because they fear that they are ‘paedophiles’ (under the new-age feminist revised English definition) themselves. This persecution of them (they think) takes away any suspicion others may have of them being ‘paedos’.
In past decades the same thing used to happen a lot and it still does today, but to a much lesser degree with homosexual (GAY) bashers.
SERIOUSLY: we’re all heading for disaster – our society is on the brink of anarchy with this witch-hunt!
Interesting that you don’t mention why YOU were in prison assuming roles as Judge Jury and Executioner…
Hmmm… I’m sure it wasn’t for shoplifting – you are obviously a SICK and cruel psychopathic indvidual, in the same class as the probably innocent man you decided to victimize whilst an inmate in the SAME penal institution. An individual that (civilized) society would be much better without.
>Pedophiles are pieces of shit! Our laws are NOT wrong or stupid or extreme concerning molesters!
You seem to be confusing pedophiles with child molesters
It’s so bizarre!
There are countries where age of consent laws are as low as 12, even lesser sometimes. In Europe alone it can be as low as 13. So we expect these 13-14 year to be able to safely handle the emotional consequences having sex, the consequences of catching sexually transmitted diseases and even the responsibility that comes with sex and pregnancy and motherhoood(if not aborted or no birth control).
And yet we are willing to punish people because some curious teen decides to pose nude for someone else? This is not only ridiculous, but CRUEL!
Whoever wrote this is a sick fuck and you deserve to be beaten to death by a mob of angry pedophile haters. Pedophiles are pieces of shit! Our laws are NOT wrong or stupid or extreme concerning molesters! If anything, they need to be way more severe! I (AND MANY OTHERS) believe that these worthless pieces of trash should be lined up against a wall and shot execution style. Anyone who supports or sympathizes with these predators should get their ass kicked too ! How can you make a web page defending them? SERIOUSLY? WOW! And then you call your website “human-stupidity”? You are clearly the stupid ones! I was in jail before and we used to beat the shit outta pedophiles! I used to love kicking the dog shit out of them and making them cry and feel scared and helpless! Just like they had made small children feel! ONE OF THOSE FUCKERS ACTUALLY KILLED THEMSELVES WHEN WE GOT DONE WITH HIM! I CAN’T EVEN EXPRESS HOW RELIEVED IT MADE ME WHEN I FOUND OUT HE WAS DEAD! A FEW DAYS BEFORE THAT, SIX OTHER INMATES AND MYSELF TRAPPED THAT COWARD IN A CELL FOR HOURS! WE BEAT AND TORTURED THAT SICK FUCK WITHOUT MERCY! HE BEGGED US TO STOP BUT WE JUST BEAT HIM EVEN HARDER! WE TOOK TURNS PISSING ON HIM! WE PISSED ALL OVER HIM, HIS CLOTHES, AND WE EVEN HELD HIM DOWN AND PISSED INTO HIS FACE, EYES, AND MOUTH! WE MADE HIM A HELPLESS VICTIM! Just like HE had done to innocent children. Since the judicial system is so lenient on SICKOS THAT FUCK KIDS, we gave the victim and her family justice! He was only gonna have to do a few months in jail, with probation! FOR RAPING A LITTLE GIRL!!!! Pedophiles are monsters! It gives me great satisfaction when people hurt them! We used to not even allow them to eat! They deserve what they get! I wish I could kill every single one of them! Now THAT would be a great Holocaust! I’m so sick of people referring to pedophiles as “people” with rights! Fuck their rights! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN’S RIGHTS?? And fuck your stupid ass website too! If you defend a child molester, YOU are just as fucked in the head as THEY ARE! You sick fuckers! i WISH i KNEW WHO YOU PEOPLE WERE AND WHERE TO FIND YOU CUZ I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK EVERY ONE OF YOUR PEDOPHILE-LOVING NOSES AND KNOCK OUT ALL YOUR GOD DAMNED TEETH! FUCK YOU AND YOUR WEBSITE! USE YOUR “INTELLIGENCE” TO FIGHT FOR SOMETHING NOBLE! USE YOUR ENERGY TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORTHY OF YOUR HELP! LIKE THE KIDS WHO ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED! YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS!
If that guy really RAPED a 7 year old, your reaction is understandable. I would not go as far as condone what you did, but it is understandable.
I would understand people who favor legalized death penalty, Singapore style flogging or Arab style floggings. Justice meted out judicially after due process has been exhausted.
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1) Here we see the enormous damage that is done by manipulative language. Maybe the guy fondled a child. Even without taking of her clothes. Unfortunately, due to conspiracy of feminists and religious conservatives, this now is called “rape”, just to get the press, the common person, and people like you more angry. I am not going to defend child fondling, but I think we all can agree that this is much less severe then penetrating a child.
I am convinced he did not do anything like true rape, or else he would not get a few months and parole.
If you knew that was all he did, you might still be desirous to mete out some justice. But can we agree that he would deserve much LESS punishment then you meted out?
Even if you thought he still deserved all he got, you seem to be a simple, straightforward guy. Can we agree that a child fondling child molester should not be, confusingly, manipulatively, called a child RAPIST?
I think I will be attacked now, by my sympathizers and best friends, for taking you seriously and engaging in discussion with you.
2) I presume that you know that the victim is 7 years old. Because, by the same manipulation, 17 or 15 year olds are called children. So he could have had consensual sex, or just fondling, or kissing, with his 17 year old girl friend. But I take your word, if she was 7, that certainly is too young.
3a) He could have been a victim of hysteria. Over zealous prosecutors, police, mothers and relatives could, by suggestive questioning, have induced the child to make false accusations. And over zealous prosecutors, judges, and juries, are easy to convict on the mere word of a child, with no further proof needed.
3b) Mothers have been known, and convicted, for inducing a child to lie, as revenge against dad, or another man.
I think even a rough guy like you would feel very sorry, if it could be shown that the guy was totally innocent and did absolutely nothing wrong. Yes, you don’t know, we can not know. But it is not unlikely. Most likely, there was no strong proof (multiple witnesses, filming, etc)
4) He could also be an uncle, or friend of the family. Who was just friendly with the child. Unaware of the child abuse hysteria, he carelessly let the child sit on his lap and other unwise things. With zero sexual connotations. But got convicted anyway. Very common. Now do you think this guy deserved the treatment you gave him?
We can not know. This is why Human-Stupidity, as the only site, insists to call a spade a spade. Our purposeful distortion and manipulation of language is very damaging.
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