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an evolutionary perspective [...] helps us understand why sexual transgressions by successful males, as well as the seemingly irrational levels of moral outrage at those transgressions, are both "natural," regardless of whether you personally feel that either is intrinsically good or bad.
Finally an intelligent comment about the moral condemnation hysteria of Tiger Woods. Evolutionary Theory by Kurzban and deScioli
Men fantasize about novel women. Rich powerful man can actually get them
Tiger is a man with immense wealth and social status. Throughout history, men with wealth and status have tended to trade it for access to multiple mates. Evolutionary historian Laura Betzig has documented this pattern in modern societies and throughout history, as in the abundant cases of Roman emperors, Indian maharajahs, Arabian sheiks, and Chinese mandarins. Bhupinder Singh, the wealthy and powerful Seventh Maharajah of the state of Patiala, for example, had 350 wives, and he by no means held the record. European and North American states tend to be officially monogamous, but of course they are unofficially polygamous as well. Rock stars, famous athletes, politicians and even television evangelists are reliable sources of public outrage, which fires up every time we learn about their frequently overactive private lives.[...]
Kinsey found that the typical male masturbated with some frequency, during such activities men often fantasize about novel women. What if the man was sufficiently attractive that those fantasy women were actually ready, willing, and eager to turn desire into reality? The average heterosexual man would, under those circumstances, perhaps act like the average homosexual man (who is unconstrained by a more selective target audience), or like the average rock superstar: he would take hundreds of partners.
Psychology Today. December, 2009. Kenrick, D. T. “In "Defense" of Tiger Woods, AND of his critics." [link]
Moral outrage keeps others in check. So powerful men don’t monopolize too many women
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Repressive sex laws in the "Land of the Free". Polygyny in birds & human meddling in other people’s sexuality
Why do we, in the land of the free, have a prohibition of polygyny, a victimless crime? Why does the law restrict people’s freedom needlessly? Why do consenting adults have many legal restrictions to their sexual liberty? Teenage sexuality is full of legal problems (Consult a lawyer before playing doctor. Perverse sex laws traumatize children).
Why do we feel a compulsion to meddle in other peoples freedom to form whatever form of marriage or sexual relationship they might want to engage in?
Many women would rather be the second (or fifth) wife of an attractive, rich, powerful man like Tiger Woods or Brad Pitt, then the first and only wife of boring, fat, jobless, broke alcoholic Joe Bloke in a Detroit ghetto. Even just being Tiger’s mistress is much more exciting then Joe Bloke. Why does our law restrict the liberty of these women, and of Tiger Woods?
Repression of other people’s sexuality is in the reproductive interest of older married women, of unattractive men. Even vor the successful alpha male it is advantagous to repress sexuality in others, while hypocritically pursuing his own promiscuous sexuality (remember Eliot Spitzer?).
In this post we show that evolutionary theory suggests evolution has created mental modules in our brains to repress sexuality in others, The gut feelings caused by these modules get rationalized into theories that give rise to repressive legislation.
Polygyny in birds
When good males are scarce, a female bird may prefer to become the second mate of a higher quality male with a bigger territory.
Why Everyone (Else) Is a Hypocrite: Evolution and the Modular Mind by Robert Kurzban $27.95 0691146748
(all quotes are from Kurzban’s book. This book is a must-read to really understand this topic here)
Morality for the birds?
To better understand how evolution could have formed modules for anti-polygyny morality, Kurzban analyzes a hypothetical bird population where moral rules prohibit polygyny. He asks
Which birds stand to gain reproductive advantage when polygyny is prohibited?
- "Clearly, female birds already paired with the best male mates will do better. Their mates won’t be able to acquire secondary females whose offspring would compete for the man’s resources." (Kurzban, p 209). Women married with good males have reasons to be feminists. Hillary Clinton only loses if hubby Bill gets entangled with interns. In contrast, Monica Lewinsky probably would have fared very well as Bill Clinton’s second or even fifth wife.
- "There’s a natural alliance between monogamously mated females and low quality males because they both gain by enforced monogamy". "low-quality males benefit, since they now might get mates who would otherwise wind up as secondary mates of high-quality males" (Kurzban, p.) In a polygynous animal, primate, or human societies, many low-quality get no wives and no offspring at all. "Low quality males would have a deep, abiding, even crucial interest in rules that force everyone into monogamy" (Kurzban, p 213). Remember, evolution selected for mental modules that gave us reproductive advantage in the EEA, in small groups of hunter-gatherers. It seems that for low quality males, monogamy is the only chance to get a wife, rear offspring and thus have reproductive success! Low quality males that successfully prevent the high quality males from monopolizing multiple females would have considerably more offspring then tolerant open minded men who would remain empty handed while the high quality males would get all the females.
- Almost all males "benefit from all other males being monogamous, even if they themselves are not [monogamous]? [...] "it’s best to constrain others’ sexual behavior. We’re all in favor of moral rule that prevent others from doing things that harm our own interests, but it is to our advantage to not obey our own rule.
- High quality alpha males can profit from imposing monogamy on other males. Powerful males have a better chance to remain unpunished if they violate these rules (at least in birds with no feminist dominated court system)
- The losers of polygyny prohibition are un-paired females who have to settle for a lower quality male (‘a loser’) because they are deprived of the freedom to choose to be wife #2 of a high quality male (with better genes, bigger territory, and more resources).
- The other losers of enforced monogamy are the "cads" the sexy good looking promiscuous players. They are attractive to women for having good genes, but they can’t win the battle over who brings the most worms. "Without promiscuity, sexy males can’t make the most of what they’ve got." (Kurzban, p. 211).
- "Dads, however, win if the sexy males can’t be promiscuous. (They also benefit from keeping their females at home, rather than searching for the good-gene cads)" (p 211) "Dads" are mated male birds that invest in their family and bring home worms for their kids.
We have an "interfere in other people’s private sex life" mental module.
"Humans are extremely social, and our survival and reproduction are determined in large part by how well we navigate the social world. Given this, it’s reasonable to expect that our minds are designed to compete fiercely-if not subtly- for the benefits in the social world: the best mates, the best friends, membership in the best groups, and so on. The outcomes of these competitions would have had massive effects on reproductive success over the course of human evolution."
So birds, mammals, and humans that increase their reproductive success by restricting other people’s sexual access will out-compete the democratic, personal-liberty-respecting tolerant liberal individuals.
We will post more about Kurzban’s theory of the modular mind, and the evolutionary advantages of internal inconsistency, self-deception, hypocrisy to explain this further. But to get a deep understanding one probably needs to read evolutionary literature
- Why Everyone (Else) Is a Hypocrite: Evolution and the Modular Mind by Robert Kurzban $27.95 0691146748 |Amazon paperback or kindle version
Humans have "moralistic modules designed to favor rules that promote their fitness interests".
"The hypothetical birds would vote for policies that prevent others from engaging in sex outside mateships and anything else that goes along with promiscuity. "they probably would not know why they were opposed to these practices. Their decision would be based on the output of certain modules designed to limit other people’s promiscuity. They would be insensitive to arguments about freedom and individual choice, and unaware of being inconsistent. They would probably rationalize this as being ‘pro-family", pro-life. Their resistance against abortion might be based in the desire to punish the females for having sex, and not in the desire to save embryos or in theories about the beginning of life." (Kurzban)
"They might be opposed to abortion -the availability of which by reducing the costs of sex, might well be linked to promiscuity" (Kurzban)
Feminist anti-promiscuity sex laws are also in the reproductive interest of most (hypocritical) males
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Headline in British tabloids:
Wayne Rooney will travel to Switzerland for England’s Euro qualifier despite claims that he cheated on wife Coleen with a prostitute
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1309220/Wayne-Rooney-travel-England-for.html
Why should sexual infidelity prevent Wayne Rooney from playing soccer?
Amazing. What would such a private problem have to do with his playing soccer? Visiting a legal prostitute? So what if he got a parking ticket, or a speeding ticket. At least that would endanger other people. But nobody would consider stopping him from playing soccer.
Yes. He broke his mariage vow
OK. Wayne Rooney had a “marriage contract” with his wife. He was dishonest and did not keep his contract. He cheated.
What damage is done if a very rich man visits a prostitute? None!
So why can’t men have fun? What damage is done if he goes out with a prostitute? Did he neglect wife and family? Spend so much money that his family suffers (He makes £ 100 000 a week, so spending a few thousands a week will not cause hardship to his family).
Women who actually introduce cuckold babies into her family, making her husband pay for her infidelity, are treated much more lenient and even are protected by laws that make it difficult for cuckolded fathers to do genetic testing. So there is a reason for double standards!
What damage is done if a woman cheats? 20 years of expense for her husband to feed a cuckold baby!
A cheating wife can make a man invest his life’s work and savings into a child that is not his. This is one of the worst frauds there can be. 20 years of work, a major part of a man’s life, stoled, due to fraud.
That is real cheating! Amazing, cuckolding a man with a child that is not his is not regarded high treason! And now we have the technology to prevent this, to protect men from the worst effect of their wive’s infidelity.
Feminist laws prevent routine DNA testing of children
Feminists already found out that DNA testing can be detrimental to female cheaters. So they make laws to make DNA tests in children dependent on the cheating wife’s permission. More in another post.
Change Sex Laws into “Baby Making Laws”: A new moral code
As a sexually liberated person, I once checked out all sexual morality laws
Morality Sex Law
New Offspring Law
|No sex with young girls||Don’t make babies with young girls.|
|Though shalt not covet your neigbor’s wife: No sex with your neighbor’s wife||Don’t make babies with your neighbor’s wife|
|No sex before marriage||Don’t make babies if you are not married
(except if it is planned, you are rich, or have someone to responsibly take care of the baby
|Marry a virgin||Don’t marry a women if she already imight be pregnant, is (secretly?) pregnant or has a baby and wants to make you responsible for it.
(unless you consciously want to adopt the baby)
Simply changing the word “sex” into “baby making” makes all these moral laws very palatable. When the moral codes, holy books were written, sex and baby making was all the same. Now we have choices. We can separate sex from baby making. It is time to update our moral codes to adapt them to the new reality.
(we might also write “condoms” into the new moral code, to prevent diseases. So a man is unfaithful if he has sex without a condom)
I repeat: all restrictive sex laws made sense in ancient biblical times. A man really wanted to be sure he would devote his life to offspring that was his. And these sex laws were the only way to assure paternity.
We could liberate sexual morality with DNA testing, birth control, and condoms
all these new technology items can liberate our sex laws.
Why is there no freedom of contract for marriage? Polyamory, open marriage, polygamy?
Did Wayne Rooney (or Tiger Woods, or any other male adulterre) have an option? Was the “marriage contract” freely negotiated? Of course not! There is no freedom of contract.
Why are there no options in marriage? Do you want to be faithful? Do you allow polyamory? occasional trysts? Open marriage? Or polygamy? How come, there are no options in marriage?
Nowadays, consumer protection law voids most consumer contracts, if they don’t give enough choices and freedom to the customer. Why is there only ONE version for “fidelity” in marriage? Why can we not analyze other ways of marriage?
We legalized gay marriage. Why not polyamory, open marriage, or polygamy, and prostitution?
Gays, like feminists, united and fought for their rights and liberties.
Regular heterosexual men are persecuted by feminist morality. Brazil, for example, fights all “sex tourism”, prohibits post-cards that focus on the rear end of bikini-clad beauties. But fought to proudly exhibit the title “best gay tourist destination of the world”.
Heterosexuals of the world, unite. Fight for your freedom.
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Tiger Woods: a free man?
The Tiger Woods scandal has many facets. I wrote that Tiger Woods is a free man entitled to have fun and Tiger Woods sex addiction treatment is an absurdity.
Tiger sold his freedom to have fun & right to privacy for US$ 100 Million
People countered: Tiger sold his freedom for 100 Million dollars, He made advertising contracts as being a “good boy” athlete: Hey, Tiger, Lack of Privacy Is Part of the Deal. Tiger Woods has destroyed $12 Billion in Stock value So maybe, after having charged huge amounts of money for his “clean boy” image, it is his moral and legal obligation to keep up to moral standard he himself agreed to. Like a catholic priest who signed a celibacy vow and now has to keep it.
Why Is Tiger Woods in Trouble? It’s Not His Steamy Sex Life; It’s His Family Values Hypocrisy: Woods made most of his fortune through his “squeaky-clean model athlete” reputation. Last year, of the $117 million Woods made, $7.7 million was on the golf course; the rest came from endorsement deals. And that endorsement empire is built on the image of a hardworking, clean-living family man with wife, kids, dogs, and “values”.
Breach of contract. But is the contract fair?
Of course, he also signed a marriage “contract” with fidelity vows. He broke the contract. I think it is unfair that the terms of a marriage are non-negotiable. Consumer and tenant law has invalidated many such one-sided contracts, but “feminist” law-makers make sure that men cannot easily negotiate freedom in marriage contracts.
So men who want to retain their freedom have only the choice not to marry, or do what men (and apes before them) did for millions of years: cheat and lie to cover up. Promise what women want to hear, and then secretly do what the man himself wants to do.
Deception is huge part of human social life. Our education and social norms demand honesty, and in contradiction to that they also demand politeness, courtesy, …. From “I am fine” when I feel bad, to “your dress looks great” when I think it is awful, to “I have eyes only for you and love you forever”. In spite of us lying constantly, we feel we are honest. We deceive ourselves that we are honest.
Self-Deception & Self-Deception
You deceive better if you yourself believe in it.
So Tiger probably believed in his wedding vows. He also believes he is an honest person. Which usually he is. Except for white lies. And lying to spouses. Well and to sponsors and the rest of the world.
And before you throw the first stone: think of your own secrets. What if the press published your photo nose-picking? or about some secret sexual urge you once followed?
And now all these hypocrites condemn poor Tiger Woods. Of course, if you are a public relations manager for Nike, your job is to worry about Nike’s sales and corporate image. Not about hypocrisy, or if the same people who condemn Tiger (and Nike for promoting him) are hypocrites. Try YouTube to see some Tiger Woods commercials: they all manipulate your unconscious: they don’t really sell you superior merchandise, they associate Tiger’s image with the product, thus making you buy the product.
- Maybe the problem is that we demand unrealistic role models, who are supposed confirm unrealistic moral norms?
- Maybe the problem is that society demands that we lie about romantic “transgressions”.
- Most healthy adolescent boys or adult men would probably admire Woods for his sexual conquests. When talking to their peers. But, of course, would not admit this to their wives.
Should male promiscuity be repressed or sexual freedom be tolerated?
- There are of course philosophical questions: is monogamy better? there will be less fights, less diseases? or better family life?
- Is male promiscuity something that should be eliminated by therapy, drugs etc because it causes problems?
- Or do repressive laws, false morality cause the problems? People should just be honest, open and be allowed to have fun without any need to hide. Why can’t everyone have their sexual freedom, and we devote out resources to avoiding unwanted pregnancies and diseases, instead of spying after celebrities’ private life.
Hypocritical double standards about domestic violence
Tiger Woods’ wife Elin should be under investigation for domestic violence: The first news stories sounded suspicious: How can an intelligent man total his car and get face injuries when backing out his car from the garage? And require a women with a golf club to break the windshield to free him?
If the suspected victim were a women, police would investigate, even if the victim denied violence having happened. But Elin is a woman, and police and law are biased in favor of women. If she were innocent, they should have demanded an investigation to dispel any doubt.
I think Tiger lied when he swore in public that no domestic violence has happened. If this could be proven to be a lie, then Woods would be proven to make false public statements . An explicit public lie, almost an oath, that could haunt him (like Bill Clinton).
But as now Tiger’s and Elin’s interest in cover-up coincide, nobody will ever admit the truth. Of course, this can cost him dearly. A domestic violence conviction would greatly favor Tiger in any potential divorce settlement. If he was intelligent, he made her sign something in exchange for his covering up the domestic violence.
A domesticated Tiger Woods asks for forgiveness for being a man. Woods who could have thousands of women had a mere 14 women over a period of many years. Tiger’s mistake was to agree on a non-open marriage and to project the good boy image. Like most men, Woods got into the typical vicious cycle of false promises and deceit, instead of being honest and standing up for his rights as a powerful and highly desirable alpha male. And to add insult to injury, he now does “sexual addiction therapy” to rid him of normal male feelings and impulses. Maybe he ought to get castrated
What good is it for a man to earn US$ 100 Million if he cannot have fun? Here is Tiger’s truth:
I felt that I had worked hard my entire life and deserved to enjoy all the temptations around me. I felt I was entitled. Thanks to money and fame, I didn’t [...] have to go far to find them.
But then he went on asking for forgiveness. He disappointed his wife, his fans, his business partners.
I am also aware of the pain my behavior has caused to those of you in this room. I have let you down. I have let down my fans. For many of you, especially my friends, my behavior has been a personal disappointment. To those of you who work for me, I have let you down, personally and professionally. My behavior has caused considerable worry to my business partners.
He has not caused any pain to me. Actually, I found his behavior endearing. Of course, his business partners who profit from Tiger Woods’ squeaky clean image, they have reason to worry. Maybe Woods should settle for earning a mere 50 million a year and having fun, instead of making 100 Million.
Woods’mother put things into perspective:
Afterward, Woods’ mother, Kultida Woods, spoke to reporters, saying how proud she is of him.
“Golf is just like life, when you make a mistake, you learn from your mistake and move on stronger. That’s the way he is,” she said.
“I am upset the way media treated him like he’s a criminal. … He didn’t kill anybody, he didn’t do anything illegal,” she said.
“They’ve being carrying on from Thanksgiving until now. That’s not right.”
Sure, Tiger Woods did not keep his agreement, his vow of faithfulness. Maybe he should not have agreed to these condicions in the first place. Why does a rich powerful man abdicate his freedom and vow to be “faithful”, to never look at another woman again?
I’ve had a lot of time to think about what I have done. My failures have made me look at myself in a way I never wanted to before. It is now up to me to make amends. And that starts by never repeating the mistakes I have made. It is up to me to start living a life of integrity.
Don’t make vows of faithfulness, and you can live a life with fun and enjoy integrity. Did he not take good care of his family? Fed them well. Earned a lot of money for them? Just he was foolish enough to get trapped in a vow of “fidelity”.
Now here is a rare positive example of another famous “pervert” husband’s wife supporting a husband’s freedom:
The wife of Portsmouth manager Avram Grant has hit back at allegations her husband was caught in a ‘Thai’ brothel by claiming: ‘He can do whatever he likes with his body.’
Tiger should have gotten himself such a wife. I envy Avram Grant, he got himself a great open minded liberal wife.
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Tiger Woods, super-rich, super-powerful man being a man? He could have thousands of women, and only had 14 over many years? Maybe there should be an option for marriage without “fidelity” vows! Wasn’t he faithfully taking care of wife and family? Just having a little fun on the side? This is a disease?
Multiple sources confirmed to RadarOnline.com that Tiger is being treated at the clinic which features a sexual addiction program created by Dr. Patrick Carnes, who has pioneered treatment for sexually compulsive behavior.
The Enquirer broke the world exclusive story of Tiger’s five-month affair with Rachel Uchitel. After that report appeared, more than 14 women were linked to Tiger as his secret life of cheating became public.
Poor Tiger is paying 40++ k$ for a program to make him a domesticated kitten. Why can’t poor Tiger just have fun like any rapper or basketball player? Doesn’t he devote time to his family, take excellent care of his kids?
Didn’t his wife commit acts of domestic violence against Tiger without punishment? “A double standard that excuses female violence is not “common sense” but common sexism.” http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/04/tiger-woods-and-domestic-viole
And people resenting Tiger getting special treatment, a single room and a cleaning maid? Come on, the guy is worth almost a Billion, why can’t he pay for a maid?
Tiger is believed to have booked in for a six week Gentle Path “behaviour modification” programme designed to purge him of sex addiction.
The courses, which include “shame reduction” sessions cost around s40,000 He is having individual counselling and is not expected to attend the usual group therapy sessions.
I know some good “shame reduction” training. He should stand up for being an alpha man, as he is. No shame! Stand up for enjoying some extra fun with other women. What else is power, fame, and money good for? Did he suffer? Does he need treatment?
Maybe he should convert to Islam, at least this would allow him to have 4 wives. Maybe there should be an option for “open marriage” vows!
Mel Gibson, who endured one of the bigger Hollywood scandals of recent years, said the Tiger Woods affair has been blown way out of proportion — but that it wouldn’t do the golfer any good to whine about that now.
“I feel sorry for Tiger Woods,” the actor-filmmaker, 54, told Britain’s Mail on Sunday’s Live magazine. “Why are we talking about this when we’re sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan? … He’s being used as a diversion, and it just drives me crazy.”