Germany: High court acquitted teacher for 22 sex acts with 14 year old student.
It voided a 2 year suspended sentence proffered by two lower courts

A a German appeal court voided of a lower court’s  suspended 2 year sentence for a 32 year old male teacher. He had sex with a 14 year old student on 22 occasions. The court decision is final. The court justified the decision:

  1. Sex with a 14 year olds is not a crime. Article 176 of the German penal code only covers sexual abuse of children under 14 years , unless it is paid (Art. 182) [6].
  2. According to the Penal Code Art 174 [6],  sexual abuse of wards occurs only when a minor under 18y has been entrusted to the offender "for the education, training or supervision". The student was not entrusted to the accused, because he only covered for the teacher’s absence and only gave very occasional classes to her. If he were her regular teacher, he would have been convicted [6].

USA: 40 years for the same crime: for female teacher’s sex with 14 year old boy

shannon-alicia-schmieder-teacher-sexFemale teacher Shannon Alicia Schmieder (39) in Coweta, Georgia received a 40 year jail sentence for sex with a 14 year old boy [2][3]. This fills some men’s rights proponents with glee: finally a woman gets a taste of the bitter "age of consent"  medicine concocted by feminists and religious zealots:  the same high jail terms men routinely get sentenced to.  Making love carries the same prison term as as murder or manslaughter [4]

The randomness of adolescent sex laws

Teenage sexuality is plagued by arbitrary laws which vary a lot over time and over places [1]. So much that children need a lawyer before playing doctor [8].

Human-Stupidity never made it a secret that we don’t think that the might of the state needs to interfere in such consensual adolescent affairs. We think that it is the parents’ have the duty to supervise and educate their children and that parents have a right set limits for them [5].  German law is inspired by sensible sex positive realists.

Teacher still faces disciplinary action and protests

The teacher still faces disciplinary action from the school. "Der Spiegel" calls the verdict "controversial". Sensationalist yellow press Bild calls it a "scandalous verdict" [6]. Parent organizations, press organs and the German Child Protection Association vehemently protests [6].

Human-Stupidity Analysis

  1. Libertarian sex positive people keep quiet and do not loudly voice their support. They also rarely dare to publicly and forcefully object to witch hunts about teenage sexuality, child porn. As long as reasonable, moderate people keep quiet, the loud feminists and religious right will continue on its decade-long fight, increasing the age of consent, outlawing prostitution, outlawing pornography or at least as many aspects of pornography as possible.
  2. The protests in Germany mainly focus on the fact that the acquitted was a teacher at the girl’s school. There are no major protests regarding sex liberation for 14 year olds. The readers of "Der Spiegel" have very interesting comments in the German language Spiegel blog
  3. Disciplinary action might be justified. After all they had sex on school premises. Human-Stupidity has a libertarian attitude about penal law and thinks this is not an issue of 40 year felony prison sentence
  4. We understand parent’s concerns about their children’s sexuality in school. But I still would prefer my daughter to have an affair with the teacher then with the cute street gang member with the hot motor bike, the school janitor, or maybe even the average immature fellow student.
  5. Human-Stupidity keeps insisting that there are other ways then draconian police state punishments to take care of safety concerns of minors.  Those preoccupied with adolescent safety could legalize sex with minors after a mandatory counseling session with 1 day cool-off period, or with parental consent. That would protect minors from being mentally overpowered by experienced cunning manipulative adults.
  6. We can disagree on the laws, we can agree to disagree on the correct age of consent. I wish you could at least agree that language should  be clear and well-defined.  Feminist language abuse should stop. Words that had a clearly defined meaning over thousands of years suddenly become fuzzy confusing multi-faceted words with no clear meaning. According to our modern feminist inspired language, the acquitted teacher is a "child rapist". The 14 year old adolescent girl is a child (which used to be under 14 or under 12) and did not consent, in spite of her having agreed, said yes, and come back 21 times. Thus the teenager was raped in spite of consent. Let us use honest language: the teacher was accused of illicit sex with an adolescent allegedly under his guardianship.
  7. Ever since the Rind Study was condemned by unanimous votes in both the US congress and senate, it became clear that it is totally impossible to do unbiased research about teenage and child sexuality and its harmfulness or harmlessness.  Child sexuality is 100 times more taboo then female domestic violence against males, where academics has been corrupted: How feminists corrupt Domestic Violence research & warp world politics and legislation. Human-Stupidity is for unbiased research, even if the results do not fit religious or politically correct creed and dogma.

 

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  1. td9red says:

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  2. Alan Vaughn says:

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    One day in the not too distant future, the age of consent will be 25 years old, so if a man is caught in a relationship with a 24 year old ‘child': minimum 10 years ass rape, lifetime of ostracization, harrassment and poverty (most commit suicide soon after realease) after compulsory enlistment on public sex-offender rgister as ‘paedophile’.
    The 24 year old girlfriend might even do the same (suicide) as she too would have to: a) loose the love of her life, b) put up with the same harassment and vindictive osctracising as her boyfriend will eventually face upon release from prison…
    Would sane and rational people then, still consider a man having a fully consensual (LOVING) relationship with a 24 year old woman (legal ‘child’) a ‘paedophile’ or ‘sicko pervert’?
    I guess yes…
    Not so long ago, such a consensual relationship between a 14 year old (post-pubescent) female and a ‘man’ was socailly acceptable and normal behaviour. Now such a relationship is ‘child sexual abuse’ and the adult male has his life ruined after being declared by the insane feminist inspired laws a child predator or paedophile.
    Even today: go to India and you’ll see numerous 14 year old ‘children’ married to men as old as or older than their dads and with one or two kids of their own. Still perfectly normal and acceptable in their culture.
    The misandrous feminists have all be destroyed our society. When will everyone else WAKE UP to what’s going on and stop them from ultimately destroyng the entire human race?
    Frankly I’m tired of talking about this issue, it’s time we all stopped talking about it and writing about it in forums and blogs and start DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE.

  3. td9red says:

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    “Even today: go to India and you’ll see numerous 14 year old ‘children’ married to men as old as or older than their dads and with one or two kids of their own. Still perfectly normal and acceptable in their culture.”

    Do you think 14 yr girls want to be married to old guys? Marriages in India are arranged. Young men and women have little say in decisions regarding their lives. This is hardly a system that should be emulated.

    If this girl where 16yrs old this story wouldn’t be so bad. 14 yrs is a really young teen. This 14 yr old was not the intellectual equal of the 32 yr old, not even close. Furthermore, he was a teacher/authority figure over her. Even, though she is post-pubescent at 14yrs, her mind is not ready to deal with and understand the emotional consequences of sex, that he had no real interest in her, and his only intention was to use her for sex. Protecting children from adult realities for a few more years seems fine to me. It’s not as if there is a shortage of grown-ups that are unwilling to have sex, such that he need to add children into the mix to make up the difference. If you read the article, this guy used his position to pursue young girls. He followed her around the school. Wrote letters to her. Tried to have a relationship with her older sister. And, he was married, so this is no true love story. I’m not saying he should go to jail forever. I would like to see him do the two years he was given and he should not be teaching or anywhere near young girls. When you send your kid off to school this is one of the worst possible things that you imagine could happen. Parents should be able to expect that teachers will not behave this way. This was not okay!

  4. aGerman says:

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    You briefly touched on children’s charities. It should be noted that here in Germany, we are actually seeing an increasing clash between “children’s rights” and “youth rights” entities.

    German children’s charities are embracing hard and fast their newly granted expansion of business well into late adolescence, courtesy of EU statutes defining everybody under 18 a “child”. A differentiation between children and youths has for decades run deep not only in the attitudes of the people, but also Germany’s legal frameworks – beyond penal law and age of consent statutes. For most purposes, a child is a person under 14 in Germany, and from age 14, that person is a youth. Still today, not many people would consciously call a 17-year-old a “child” in Germany.

    There has traditionally also been a more or less clear separation between children’s charities and youth charities. The latter having had a firm inclination towards a pro-youth, permissive, but always also educative stance concerning adolescent issues, youth sexuality, even alcohol consumption (the drinking age is still 16 in Germany). All this based on the widely supported idea that youths are adults in the making, and must be eased into adult privileges and responsibilities.

    Enter profiteering “children’s charities” and the usual barrage of child molestation hysteria and man-hating feminist extremists and moral conservatives. In recent years, all of these usual suspects have begun drowning out any sensible discussion and kicked up a moral panic unlike anything Germany has ever seen.

    The consequence being that while youth charity projects are now increasingly being defunded, all the government money goes into sexual abuse awareness campaigns by children’s charities which basically tell 17-year-olds that a 25-year-old laying eyes on them is a pedophilic pervert. One of the most infamous children’s charity radical feminists has even infiltrated the highly influential and guideline-setting Children and Youth Advisory Board at the federal Ministry of Families.

    Germany may still display certain vestiges of sane and sensible laws. But expect much of that to change in the coming years. It is true that at present, the issue in the matter of the 32-year-old teacher who had sex with a 14-year-old student wasn’t whether 14 is too young for any kind of legal sexual activity at all. But children’s charities and extremist feminists are already pushing to change that behind closed doors. Both in terms of public debate and legal statutes.

  5. Alan Vaughn says:

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    I’m not suggesting that the marriages (yes arranged ones) in India are good (I know I would never enter into such asn engagement myself). My point and the admin’s point was that not so long ago in our culture, sex between older men and POST-pubescent girls or women was NOT regarded as ‘paedophilia’, thus the older male was not persecuted and labelled a ‘sicko’ or a ‘pervert’ as people like you prefer to call them.
    You and many like you seem to have missed the whole purpose of this website (human-STUPIDITY).
    It is saying in effect that attraction to a fully developed (physically & to a degree: emotionally) nubile, attractive young WOMAN is NORMAL male sexuality; NOT abnormal or ‘pervert’ed or ‘sick’o. NORMAL. It was accepted as normal by our society until relatively recently, when the misandrous feminist movement decided to take advantage of this FACT (about normative male sexual behaviour) and use it as a weapon to effectively destroy the average normal MALE. Their enemy. (I know you said you’re not a feminsist, but we’ll see)…
    So what they did was started a very intensive misandrous propaganda campaign (which has been VERY effective – people like you are proof that their destructive campaign has worked), convincing the world that girls below a certain age are CHILDREN and therefore not responsible enough to make an informed decision about whether or not they should have sex. In some US states that minimum age (of consent) has been raised from 16 to 21 years old. Therefore any man who has sex with someone below that age is exploiting that [newly defined] ‘CHILD’. Thus if he had sex with a 20 year old, that 20 year old is according to the law a ‘child’…
    Therefore that man took advantage of that child or exploited or RAPED her. Because according to feminist law a ‘CHILD’ (even a 20 year old in some states) is too young and imature to give consent, thus if she has sex it must be RAPE!
    Even though in reality: she knows, he knows, the feminists know that is BULLSHIT – she did give her consent to have sex with the man, but because the anti-male, paedo-hysteria campaign has convinced mainstream society it is wrong, everyone like you just believes it is true. Thus “Let’s get these paedos and hang tem by the balls” etc. etc…
    Before all the paedo-hysteria started and the world became obsessed about sex and children, the word ‘paedophile’ meant an adult that had an unnatural sexual interest or preference towards PRE-PUBESCENT girls or boys: CHILDREN. That generally referred to people under 12 years old. NOT 14,16, 17 or in some cases up to 20 year old WOMEN!
    They have re-defined the term ‘child’ (and this is what ‘human-stupidity’ discusses about language manipulation) by coercing governments to raise the minimum age of consent. This btw, is also insulting and demeaning to young women – it effectively means they are too imature or stupid to make an informed decision about themselves. At the same time (the feminist leaders) convinced the same heads of states that any adult who has any kind of sexual liaisons with such a child is not only a paedophile or ‘sicko’ or ‘pervert’, they are now also dangerous CRIMINALS!
    So in summary the feminazis have now re-writen the law govering all aspects of sex, where it primarily demonizes and CRIMINALIZES normal male sexuality.
    In the past they still had age of consent laws albeit much lower than the feminsit recommended ones of today, but unlike now: if anyone broke those laws it rarely ever became a matter for police involvement and certainly no man (or woman) was ever sent to prison for many years for having fully consenting sex with a minor.
    Sure if it was rape and I’m talking about real and actual RAPE – where an adult forced a minor to have sex, the law punished them very severely as it so should.
    NOW: fully consensual sex with a minor is regarded as RAPE.

    From the beginning of civilizations up until the feminist misandry campaigns took hold about 20 years ago, it was normal and socially acceptable for young teenagers of both genders to have sex. Now it is the ‘crimen exceptum’. (means ‘crime of all crimes’). Many US and UK law makers regard such (consensual) sex with teenagers as a crime worse than murder!
    To us (we know YOU won’t agree) these new laws governing sex are nothing short of PSYCHOTIC!
    They have successfully demonized and now criminalized natural and normal human instincts. Most people know that instincts are not something that anyone has control over – they cannot be helped.
    But the feminist movement now has total control over those insticnts by locking up normal and healthy human beings for merely being humans.
    You all seem to be in denial of the fact too that ‘children’ are sexual beings – yes believe it or not even 14 year olds DO ENJOY sex as much, possibly even more than you do!
    Why do you try to kid yourselves that children are all innocent and totally devoid or unaware of natural human instincts?
    This paedo-hysteria that has swept across all western cultures is nothing less than a witch hunt and was carefully engineered by the feminists with the help of other conservative religious organizations to effectively gain total control of the male gender.
    It’s what many of us MRA’s term ‘gender GENOCIDE’.

  6. Alan Vaughn says:

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    @td9red
    You wrote that “When you send your kid off to school this is one of the worst possible things that you imagine could happen. Parents should be able to expect that teachers will not behave this way. This was not okay!”
    Yes that’s true it is one of the worst things YOU imagine could happen, but if you ask these kids what they consider to be their greatest fear in life, you may be surprised to learn that it isn’t paedophiles or being taken advantage of by a teacher, no, it is being humiliated by or BULLIED by their peers – other kids.
    This has actually been studied and the results were quite surprising: fear of ‘paedos’ or ‘sickos’ was somewhere well down towards the bottom of their list of things that troubled them.
    Here’s an example of such research from Canada:
    http://www.parentscanada.com/health/parentscanada-survey-what-do-kids-worry-about.aspx

    Feminists of course claim that being molested by a sicko is their number one fear and that they can’t sleep at night because they fear a paedophile is going to break into their home and kidnap them etc. etc…
    Also (and I acknowledge that this probably doesn’t apply in this instance, I did read the story), in many cases in fact the majority of them, it is the kids that initiate contact with (flirt) the teachers – therefore they have from the outset: given their ‘consent’.
    I have a friend who WAS a male teacher and he tells me that flirting by girls (aged from 12 to 17) was an almost daily event, but never succumbed to any of their advances. It was this ‘occupational hazard’ that played a major part in his decision to quit teaching and start a new career path away from children.
    It would be very difficult for a man faced with this sort of temptation, to resist.
    This is related to what I said above about how these ‘kids’ are not as innocent as most adults think they are or would prefer them to be. They are sexually aware, they are human whether we like it or not, that’s the cold-hard reality of being human.
    It’s no good making DRACONIAN laws to try and change that fact.
    And the teachers (and I’m talking of both genders here) are also human and also have powerful natural forces at play in these situations… Very tempting, very hard to ignore.
    All I’m trying to say here (and so is ‘human-stupidity’) is why should anyone – any normal human being, be so severely punished and ruined for life, for merely being human and responding to natural human urges and instincts; including deeper emotional instincst such as a need for companionship or love, which is usually realated to the more physical ones such as lust?
    On the other hand…
    If it was indeed a case of actual rape (as in NON-CONSENTING, forced sex) I say lock them up for 50 years – and that applies to rape of ANY woman, girl or child regardless of the victim’s age or gender!
    I like most reasonable people abhor violence in any form, directed at any person.

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  8. Alan Vaughn says:

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    That’s what I was referring to the paedo-hysteria that they started and stirred up. You’re right, many, (but certainly not 99.9%) of MRA’s have even been drawn into it as well.
    It’s great to see that you have confirmed that you are indeed a FEMINIST.
    I suggest you go and comment somewhere else – i.e. Jezebel, this is an MRA thread, you’re not going to find many supporting you or agreeing with your views here.
    At the end of the day what two people in a mutually consenting parnership do together is really their own business, not the business of your misandrous movement or the THOUGHT CRIME police.
    America is now a police state, where people have no right to privacy or due process under the law.
    Thanks to people like you.

    You also skipped past or ignored my final remark about NON-CONSENTING sex, i.e. actual forced sex or RAPE. I abhor that behviour from anyone and actually believe that the current penalties for it are far too lenient.

    Oh just one more thing before I go (b/c I will refuse to reply after this). If you think I am a lone voice in the wilderness (you wrote: “It is YOUR view and the view of a MINORITY of others within/out of the MRA movement who believe this. I would posit that 99.9% of MRAs, similar to non-MRAs who are parents of children would find a an adult having a sexual relationship with their 14yr-old quite troubling, incredibly harmful to their”…)
    I AM a parent of 4 children, 2 sons, 2 daughters
    And I like any parent, also don’t like the idea of them having sex, therefore I do not have to imagine having a ‘strikingly beautiful 17 year old daughter’, because surprise surprise: I have a 16 year old daughter and a 14 year old as it so happens, also I have 2 sons, one 22, the other 19.
    You of course are correct – that wouild be totally inappropriate for a father (me) to ‘seek a sexual relationship with her’
    So…
    You have obviously overlooked the most important point I was trying to make clear to you about CONSENT. All men (well nearly all) DO control their instincts to seek out sexual relationships with beautiful girls, but we all see them every day and for a few seconds maybe imagine sex with them (the thought police would say its rape). It’s called ‘attraction’. A normative male response – this is instinctive and cannot be controlled, but the feminists have now convinced governments to criminalize even that.
    What I was alluding to and you still don’t seem to understand is that when they by chance meet and become very fond of each other (just as my wife and I did years ago).
    they soon end up having a CONSENSUAL sexual relationship, then may eventually marry and so on… My own such story is still continuing to unfold to this day.
    My KIDS (and I do not have a problem with this): will whether I like it or not, no doubt do the same thing some day.
    In the case of my daughters, it may be with an older man. If so and she loves him, she might even MARRY that older man. Whether I like it or not. It’s her life and her choice. The moment I try to interfere with that will be the moment my relationship wth my daughter will turn ‘sour’.
    When I was their age, most kids were forming relationships with members of the opposite sex, some were sexual, others were not.
    I am not naive and do not think for a minute that anything’s changed since I was 14 or 16 – it still happens today and I can accept that – that’s life.
    It is hardly the behaviour that justifies locking a person up in prison for years and years and totally ruining their life forever!
    When I was a teenager and everyone else my age (my age now) was a teenager, many of them were having sex, even with older men (the girls I mean). Their parents even discovered their relationships. I even know of one girl (I think she was 15 maybe 16) with a man (not a teacher though) who was about 20 years older and they are still married with two (now adult children). That man didn’t get anything more than a blast of verbal abuse and threats from the girl’s father. The police did not get involved and he most certainly did not go to prison for the ‘offence’.
    The girl, now in her late 40’s is a good mother and a fully productive and functional person. She did not suffer all the mental problems that they say girls that are too young to have sex are supposed to be affected by..
    As they say “shit happens’… It’s not really a big deal.
    But (despite what you say to the contrary) the feminist movement have now made the same scenario the ‘crimen exceptum’…
    CRIMINALIZED Normal human behavior.
    You all think that the WORST possible thing kids can do is have sex, ALL humans were born to do that, so why is a such a big deal that it has to be criminalized???
    I don’t have a problem with the age of consent laws per se, just the reason why they keep on wanting to raise them, but more so: the cosnsequences of anyone that dares not observe them: DECADES in PRISON!!!

    No DRACONIAN laws will ever change what God made us: living, breathing and sexualized beings…

    Just to dispell your belief that I am alone in my views:, here are some other sites, you probably didn’t know about:
    http://theantifeminist.com
    http://inquisition21.com/
    If you try making comments such as the one above at theantifeminist.com, he will reply to you with scorn, then just block you so you can’t make anymore misandrous posts.
    Inquistion21 is all about the paedohysteria that you appear to fully support, but I think you would be well out of your comfort zone there. You cannot comment on that site unless you sign up.

  9. theantifeminist says:

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    I’m going to reply to your cut and paste ‘arguments’, or rather rationalisations, just once, as they can be found everywhere on the net in these discussions, so it might be useful to answer them here.

    1/Whether or not 14 year olds are adults, they are not children, and you seem to be oblivious or uncaring to the potential problems and possible retardation of their development into adults that treating them as sexless 4 year olds might cause. It seems to me, that if this was a genuine argument, and you were genuinely concerned about protecting girls from abuse (rather than protecting your own sexual interests) you would at least be able to see that as a potential issue.

    2/most fathers are naturally disinclined to find their daughters sexually attractive, no matter how beautiful she is or sexy to other men. This is a powerful instinct that nature has built into fathers to prevent incest, for the simple reason that incest is harmful. If men having sex with girls was so intrinsically harmful, you can bet that nature would have made us repulsed by 14 and 15 year old girls, not highly sexually attracted to them. Your analogy doesn’t make sense on any level.

    3/'”14 year olds aren’t mature enough to know that the man who is having sex with them doesn’t love them and is just using them for sex”

    Seriously, how many 14 year olds have you known – or are you justifying your universal moral and psychological rule on the basis of one person – yourself? You’re talking as if we’re living in an Islamic or some kind of Victorian society. 14 year olds today probably have more street smarts than you or I. Do you really think in the 21st century a 14 year old girl thinks that any and every man who wants to have sex with her will love with her and stay with her for the rest of her life??? You seem to be talking about 8 year olds maybe, not the modern see-through g-string leggings wearing 14 year old ‘slut’.

    You’re also making misandristic slurs against male sexuality from a female bias. Just because a man doesn’t want to love a female until the day she dies, it doesn’t mean he is ‘using her for sex’. You’re also degrading all females as stupid mindless brood mares. Speak for yourself and your own vaginal mind only.

    The family is increasingly playing less and less of a role in society. Sex and reproduction is becoming increasingly divorced. Sex is now effectively a leisure pursuit. Second wave feminists were complicit in all of these things coming about, but really, they were and are inevitible as new technology continues to free up the sexual market and divorce sex from reproduction.

    In that case, we shouldn’t be teaching young girls that sex is abusive if the man doesn’t stay with you for the rest of your life. Sex is fun. Sex can be beautiful. We should be teaching young girls how to appreciate sex without the need to feel that the man will be a permanent long-term mate.

    Furthermore, all your points apply equally, indeed more so, to sex between same aged teenagers. Why not sponsor older men as sexual ‘mentors’ to teenage girls? Also, your ‘concerns’ could be met by more reasonable legislation than statutory rape laws. For example, in Spain, the age of consent is 13, but if the older partner uses ‘deciet’ then the parents of the girl can have him prosecuted. That is entirely reasonable and Spanish children grow up a lot more healthily in every way than do paedo obsessed America or the UK.

    4/ Your assertion that 99.9% of MRAs think the same way as you do is absurd. Angry Harry, the founder of modern men’s rights, has regularly questioned paedohysteria and the lenghty sentences handed out for statutory ‘rapists’. Steve Moxon, author of a men’s rights classic (the woman racket) devotes an entire chapter on how porn laws, including child porn laws, are a case of feminsts restricting male sexuality for selfish interests (he has also questioned statutory rape laws). The reason why many MRAs (probably a majority, but certainly not 99.9%) at this point would support feminist age of consent laws is because a majority are divorced fathers, who are rather unable to think completely objectively on this issue, and end up putting their interests as fathers and of their teenage daughter ahead of real men’s rights. There is also the general problem of the state of fear about speaking out on these issue – many MRAs are genuinely concerned that talking about these issues could be counter-productive to the general goal of establishing the men’s rights movement…others might simply be cowards.

    But as Alan said, the real issue is the legislative creep and the increasingly draconian punishments being handed out to statutory rapists, not the age of consent itself. If men were being given 6 months in jail or suspended sentences for giving in to temptation with a sexy 14 year old (as was the case in the UK or Australia as little as a decade ago) then, fine, I wouldn’t even mention the age of consent. But I’ve reported stories on my blog recently of 15 year old girls being dragged to police stations in tears for being forced to testify against their ‘abuser’ who then gets 4 years inside, and a lifetime on the sex offenders register. A male teacher was recently given 5 years for simply watching a two 17 year olds having sex – even though the age of consent is 16 in the Uk. When this legislative creep has no bounds, the men’s rights supporters have the right to question the underlying basis of feminist statutory rape laws.

    And this still isn’t enough for feminsts. They are effectively increasing the age of consent incrementally, first to 18, then to 21, by introducing law after law blurring the lines – such as a recent proposal to make it illegal to pay for sex with a 20 year old.

    And then there is the issue of ‘child porn’. Although the age of consent is still ostensibly 16 in the UK, you can go to prison for taking a photo of your 17 year old girlfriend in a bikini, or even merely looking at a picture of a ‘teenage looking’ 25 year old woman in pigtails on a porn site.

    So if most men’s rights supporters don’t have a problem with these feminist laws, then they are either being untrue to the principles of men’s rights or simply cowards. And your claim that most of society in general are happy with these laws is meaningless. Most of society has no problem with the circumcision of boys, high male suicide rates, the ignoring of male victims of domestic violence etc etc.

    I wont’ reply to any more of your same old ‘arguments’. You really ought to face the fact that you are simply rationalising your own sexual needs ( I assume you are a woman – shame on you if you are a mangina.)

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    In the end the issue of age of consent laws, while interesting to debate, is in fact a non-issue. What I mean is that there will never be a time, at least not in the US, where it will be legal, or accepted by society for adults to sleep with young teens. If the feminist society were to fall tomorrow and a more humanitarian society were formed, (or even a masculinist society, it just doesn’t matter) parents of daughters will NEVER find a relationship b/t their young teen and an adult acceptable. And, even being an MRA would not change this. In fact, I would argue that fathers are more opposed to the idea of their teen daughter with an adult guy, than their wives would be. Chivilry is biological reponse in men. Chivilry is fierce in men when it comes to their daughter. Parents naturally want to protect their children from things in life they believe to be harmful. The public will never have a positive view of these kinds of relationships and such there will never be a movement to change these laws. As such, its a non-issue, waste of time. These types of relationships will still be illegal in the next lifetime…

  11. td9red says:

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    @ Alan Vaughn

    You know that after your vehement and passionate arguments against age of consent laws you admit,

    “I don’t have a problem with the age of consent laws per se”

    I think there are a lot of laws in place (rape statutes) that are unfair to men and need to be changed for the general fairness and betterment of society. Not age consent laws, though

  12. AB says:

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    @td9red
    Fathers have actually accepted the marriage of their teenage daughters,even with men who are almost twice her age, for centuries and in many different cultures. In many cases, parents picked the man themselves.

    What is there to be “protected” from if the man is an honest and sensitive one? The whole thing revolves around the fallacious idea that “sex is “inherently bad”.

    And forget older men, what about one teenager marrying another? You think two teenagers can’t fall in love with each other? Ridiculous!

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    Also Vaughan, I must add that arranged marriages do not necessarily mean non-consensual marriages. In most cases , I believe, even these young 14 year old girls have agreed with a yes.
    “Arranged Marriages” means something akin to “Not Love Marriages”(although not always). It happens with adult marriages too.It can still be consensual if the girl has agreed. But 14 year old marriages only happens in more remote places in India, so it’s hard to get the exact details. Also, as much as I know, the boys marrying these young girls are also usually very young.

    But remember that “Arranged” and “Consensual” are not contradictory.

    And you are absoulutely correct about redefining of the words like “child” or “consent”.

    And you are absolutely correct, td9red has what is called by Robert Epstein “Brain Overclaim Syndrome”. He somehow convinced himself that

    There is a video in youtube where 12 year old Magnus Carlsen beats former world champion Karpov in Chess. Just what decides who can “consent”?

  14. AB says:

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    Yes, children and youth are different.
    Germans are intelligent.
    Too bad even Germany is going insane.

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    Lastly, excellent posts by theantifeminist and Vaughan.

    But like I said, my main concerns are not so much with old men’s rights, but more with the rights of the teenagers. You can’t have teenagers legally earning money. They can’t post their own nude videos. It’s these things that are the most absurd.

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