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Forced marriages: death threats victimize thousands of Muslim girls – German Government Study

439-forced-marriage-poster1Thousands of women, mostly underage, are forced into marriage in Germany every year. The German family minister Kristina Schröder (CDU) and the Integration official Maria Böhmer (CDU) announced they will present a study today, Nov. 9th.

The numbers derive from counting women that actively sought help at government counseling centers. We expect that there would not be many false complaints, but a large percentage of unreported cases.

In the year 2008, 3443 women sought help at counseling centers, because they were under the threat of forced marriage or actually forced to marry.

The casualty figures are much higher than previous estimates: The NGO Terre des Femmes was previously assumed, turn that in Germany every year more than a thousand women and girls from immigrant families go to counseling because of forced marriages.

For the new comprehensive study 1445 counseling centers were contacted. 830 of them reported back. The results also shed light on origin, age and history of the victims. Thus, every third person concerned in connection with the forced marriage is threatened with death. The vast majority of victims of forced marriages are from Muslim parents’ homes – 83.4 percent. According to the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" nearly two-thirds of the recorded cases are from families characterized as very religious.

Many have experienced extreme brutalityislam-vs-women_64

Almost all concerned come from immigrant families, but a third of girls and women who were forced into a marriage were born in Germany [probably to immigrant families (human-stupidity]) according to the survey. 23 percent were born in Turkey.  Turkey was the most frequent country of origin, followed by Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro and Iraq.
Thousands of migrants are forced into marriage every year (Google translation)

  • forced marriageWe recognize that this is a very serious issue of civil liberty that warrants attention.
    • Young women and girls being forced by their own family and their entire support network is an extreme threat. Please read the quotations and original articles below and on the picture links.
    • Human-Stupidity’s subsequent focus on unpopular and ignored side issues does not mean that we don’t recognize the seriousness of violently forced marriages.
  • we suspect for every reported case, there probably are huge numbers of cases where marriages happen just by mild parental pressure and nobody ever complaints.
    • Of course, this is very problematic, we do not support such action.
    • But in our traditional position as Devil’s advocate who wants to instigate out-of-the-box thinking, we could question if such marriages could not  be happy. Maybe parents’ mate choices are more mature then 17 year old girls’ choices?
    • Of course, we absolutely do not support death threats and severe physical violence. And we are aware that knowledge of this violence might scare many girls into voluntary compliance.
    • No, Human-Stupidity does NOT support forced marriages

  • we do miss any mention  of male victims of "shotgun marriages". We hope the final report will at least mention such cases. Otherwise this is likely to be another case where only women victims will be considered and men’s rights being ignored men-are-victims-of-forced-marriage-too
  • we are very afraid that, in the future, false accusations of forced marriages, without due process, might become rampant.
    • we fear that a woman can, 50 years after the wedding, accuse her husband of forced marriage, just to get out of an unhappy relationship. The victimized man would be jailed, without due process, due to the pervasive doctrine "women don’t lie".  While we believe that women nowadays don’t lie (well, rarely lie) about forced marriage, we expect such numbers to increase, once women get guaranteed benefits from false accusations (see the false rape society).
  • we expect opponents of large scale immigration to see this as a further failure of multi-culturalism 

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    Why the moral outrage about 51y actor Doug Hutchinson’s marriage to Courtney Alexis Stodden (16)

    51y actor Doug Hutchinson's marriage to Courtney Alexis Stodden (16)51 year old actor Doug Hutchinson marries 16 year-old Courtney Alexis Stodden, with her mother’s consent. In the videos you can see a harmonious loving couple. But, all hell breaks loose. Doug is a creepy pervert, Alexis Stodden is a poor victim (or a whore) and her mother is a pimp.  Had Doug not gotten legal advice, he would have fallen prey to immense complexity of laws regarding adolescent sexuality and would be in prison as a child rapist as a punishment for his love affair.

    Creepy Actor’s Creepy Marriage Should Be Illegal

    Here’s the deal — Hutchison is 51 years old, and his new bride Courtney Alexis Stodden is a mere 16 years old!!! That’s right. She’s just a child and yet their "consensual" marriage to one another is as legal as they come apparently, thanks to none other than Courtney’s own mother!

    Way to be a pervy creep and ruin a young girl’s life, Hutchison! Way to look out for your daughter, Moms! Is anyone sane in this really freakish situation?

    How do people know that a happy marriage with a mature loving men will ruin a girl’s life? Nowadays, Romeo and Juliet would both be arrested, and the "Blue Lagoon" heroes (t least the boy) would be jailed after their return to "civilization".

    Her parents should have been arrested for letting a 51 year old PERVERT MOLEST their MINOR CHILD! Because mo matter how "old" she looks, she is just that…a child! For them to marry means that at some time he was putting the "moves" on her, or even dating her! That is ILLEGAL in most states here! GAG! I JUST THREW UP IN MY MOUTH AT THE THOUGHT! YouTube commentator

    Evolutionary psychologist explains

    Evolutionary psychologist Robert Kurzban explains the human propensity to meddle in other people’s private lives, to outlaw victimless sex "crimes"

    1. FIRST comes an inner moral feeling (which usually serves to increase one’s own reproductive fitness).
    2. THEN, after the fact,we find some logical reasoning to justify our moral feelings. We invent victims even if there are none

    Kurzban explains how, in a small community, everyone gains reproductive advantage by restricting other people’s sexual liberty.

     

    Doug Hutchinson and wife Courtney Stodden in the News

    Finding victims where there are none

    In the above YouTube video, we see a happy couple with conservative attitudes about virgin marriage. Cruel, anti-teenage sexuality age-of-consent laws frequently destroy such a love affair with cruelty

    Thousands of men, and a few women men have their life destroyed in similar situations. A unholy union of religious conservatives and repressive feminists decide, against Álexis’ will, that she is a poor victim. That adolescent Alexis Stoddenis a child [17] that can not consent* to sex. But in some jurisdiction she magically has maturity to consent to sex with boys of similar age, while in other states 2 adolescents are raping each other when engaging in consensual sex. Systematic language manipulation changes the meamings of words like rape*, consent*, child*, pedophile* etc. Our language has been distorted so much, that: had Doug fondled her, before marriage, with full consent, he might have as well raped her forcibly, it would be the same. The same punishment, and the same press reports ("Actor sentenced for raping child"). Doug Hutchinson was wise enough to avoid this, but thousands of men languish in jail for consensual sex with adolescent "children". The Antifeminist has feminism-is-sexual-trade-union-theory to explain such institutionalized cruel interference in private bedroom affairs.

     

    ‘Green Mile’ Actor Doug Hutchison, 51, Marries Aspiring Singer, 16

    "We’re aware that our vast age difference is extremely controversial," the couple said in a statement released by their spokesperson. "But we’re very much in love and want to get the message out there that true love can be ageless."
    According to the Clark County, Nevada Marriage Bureau, both marriage license applicants must be at least 18 years of age. But minors (below the age of 18) are able to obtain a license with the consent of a parent or legal guardian — reasoning that at least one of Stodden’s parents approves of their daughter’s May-December marriage.
    Hutchison’s young wife is a former beauty pageant queen and hopes to become the next big thing out of Nashville. Marrying a much older D-list actor is certainly one way to do it — although the couple insists that their union is based purely on genuine love.

    We wish the happy Courtney Alexis Stodden and Doug Hutchinson good luck in their planned reality TV show

    YouTube Video

    Actor Doug Hutchinson marries 16 year old Courtney Stodden

     

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    Government-emitted ID proves she is 20. Men could not know she is 15, but will go to prison for underage sex, child porn

    There is no safe way to have sex or watch porn

    A girl has a 100% valid state ID, with her photo and signature, and social security card. The ID proves she is 20 years old.  You engage in sex with her, Film it. Sell it. Due to strict liability statutory rape laws there is no way how you can escape prison after it turns out the girl is 15 and conned the state into falsely giving her an ID. People who distribute your perfectly documented porn, of course go to prison.  Even the press is unaware that 100 000 men who downloaded it, with perfect proof of being over 18 years of age, also can go to prison. 

    Conclusion: to have sex, watch porn, you at least need to get a US$ 30 000 background check of your partner,  A detective has to get birth records, school records, interview parents and teachers. Even that is not 100% secure. Thus: never have sex, never engage in fondling or indecent behavior and never look at any nude or indecent pictures. Ever.

    Society could not function if such strict liability without mens rea were the norm.

    Teen porn star Bieyanka Moore’s disaster

    In early 2010, Tyler Chanel Evans, a 19-year-old exotic dancer, took under her wing a pretty, homeless girl who said her name was Bieyanka. The girl had been standing for hours outside a convenience store with an overstuffed duffel bag. A few days later, the waif stole Evans’s expired learner’s permit and copied her social security number. 

    All quotes from Teen porn star Bieyanka Moore’s disaster, unless stated otherwise.

    Bieyanka, it seems, outwitted many people. She wasn’t 20 as she had told Evans, but a 15-year-old runaway from Palm Beach Shores. She persuaded the State of Nevada — perhaps with an adult’s help — to improperly issue her a driver’s license in Evans’s name. And using that license, she duped Miami pornographers into illegally hiring her to have sex onscreen.  Teen porn star Bieyanka Moore’s disaster

    A 15 year old girl steals the identity of another girl that helped her when she was lost. Government gives her a legal driver’s license stating her age is 20.

    Bieyanka Moore: Besides Doing Porn, 15-Year-Old Runaway Went on Nevada Crime Spree With Adult’s ID

    MyspaceTyler Chanel Evans– the real version.​Lawyers for RK Netmedia, owner of porn site Reality Kings, still refuse to concede that a 15-year-old runaway who went missing last year is the same person who starred in one of its hardcore films. But the evidence is getting pretty conclusive. … More >>

    Appraising Strict Liability (Oxford Monographs on Criminal Law and Justice)
    Appraising Strict Liability (Oxford Monographs on Criminal Law and Justice)

    Then she uses that government ID to do porn movies, and, obviously, to have sex. Whose fault is this?

    Of course, the people who have sex and who make porn movies. Behooves them right: why do they do porn movies? They should be in jail anyway! And you should not have sex with someone not your wife and who looks under 35? [*1] [*2].  Before sex, Human-Stupidity.com recommends not only an ID check, but a background check ,by a detective, of school records, birth hospital records and more.

    Strict liability and mens rea: go to prison even if you did all possible precautions to avoid a crime

    The lawsuit against RK Netmedia, which Sherrita Smalley filed in Miami-Dade court this past December, is still developing. Attorney Grossman says Imber’s LLL Advertising will soon be added as a defendant. Florida criminal law decrees that "a minor’s misrepresentation of his or her age… may not be raised as a defense" in statutory rape prosecution.

    This is called "strict liability crime" [1] [2] [3]  [4]

    The liability is said to be strict because defendants will be convicted even though they were genuinely ignorant of one or more factors that made their acts or omissions criminal. The defendants may therefore not be culpable in any real way, i.e. there is not even criminal negligence, the least blameworthy level of mens rea. Strict liability (criminal)

    Strict liability abuse in sex "crimes". No pharmacist goes to prison for filling prescription of doctor with false diploma

    Much less will the pharmacist go to prison if the diploma was correctly signed by a State University registrar.

     

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    Get a lawyer before courting: 34 precautions before risking sex with a woman

    We mistakenly thought that a mere 27 precautions checklist would suffice before engaging in sex. We stand corrected.

    Get a lawyer before courting

    1. Men need legal counsel to to take precautions not just before sex, but even before courting, kissing and even before conversing with a woman.
    2. We missed some essential precautions. 27 precautions are not enough, rather we arrive at a total of 34 precautions before talking, kissing, and sex.

    Our original 27 precautions list has items such as

    • proof of consent,
    • proof that consent was never withdrawn for even 5 seconds,
    • proof that the woman was not in any way mentally incapacitated in ways that would invalidate consent,
    • proof of age for all women that appear to be under 35 years of age. Precautions against fake ID

    A lawyer must be consulted before kissing, fondling, courting or even talking

    "Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you. But first, can I please have your original ID so my detective can do a background check on you first?"“Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you.

    But before any conversation, may I please have your original ID for age and background checks?

    Before getting any closer I will need a blood sample for sobriety and drug tests!”

    Merely talking to a (potential) minor is dangerous.  Touching and kissing is a minefield

    If she looks under 35, check ID to avoid minors

    Complex laws “protect” adolescents below the “age of consent”. So the mandatory ID checks should be done not just for sex, but before touching and kissing. Thus you avoid “indecent acts with a minor” charges. ID checks are needed even before talking, because mere talking it could be considered “grooming” of a minor.  If a 17-year-old looks 30 years old, and if you met her with a fake ID in a over-21-years-bar you still get 15 years in jail. So for any girl looking under 35 years of age, ID needs to be checked for veracity before any further grooming and courting.

    Most underage “rape” laws apply to indecent behavior with a minor. Explicit sex is not needed. Derek Logue was arrested in Alabama for making sexual contact (kissing) with an 11-year-old girl I had known while I was in college (around my 23rd birthday). I plead guilty to one count of 1st degree sexual abuse and received a six year sentence.

    This could happen to you in less extreme cases, if you engage in necking with a 17 year old you mistook for a 22 year old.
    Kissing can transmit diseases (see 30b). People (ahem, men) have been sued and ordered to pay US$ 1.5 Million for unproven potential transmission of sexually transmittable diseases through, well, sex. As these can also be transmitted by kissing, genital rubbing, oral genital contact etc. it is only obvious, that legal waivers should be signed before kissing.

    Of course, dangerous diseases like swine flu, tuberculosis, conjunctivitis can be transmitted by talking, sneezing, handshakes. So maybe, soon a lawyer is needed before handshakes, talking or sneezing or sharing the same room in a movie theater.
    Grooming If you are just friendly with a minor, we already have grooming laws on file. No attempt at any sexuality is needed, just you befriend a girl and you already are a suspect. Chatting with a potential minor on the internet is the way to get arrested.

    We already listed 27 essential precautions before sex in this ground-breaking article

     

    28) Stalking and harassment charge avoidance

    Stalking and harassment laws may put you in jail for phoning, texting, or sending flowers

    In Britain, if a women feels harassed twice, like by one love letter and once you try to pick her up after work, she can sue you for harassment.

    We mistakenly thought that a mere 27 precautions checklist would suffice before engaging in sex. We stand corrected.

    Get a lawyer before courting

    1. Men need legal counsel to to take precautions not just before sex, but even before courting, kissing and even before conversing with a woman.
    2. We missed some essential precautions. 27 precautions are not enough, rather we arrive at a total of 34 precautions before talking, kissing, and sex.

    Our original 27 precautions list has items such as

    • proof of consent,
    • proof that consent was never withdrawn for even 5 seconds,
    • proof that the woman was not in any way mentally incapacitated in ways that would invalidate consent,
    • proof of age for all women that appear to be under 35 years of age. Precautions against fake ID

     

    A lawyer must be consulted before kissing, fondling, courting or even talking 

    "Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you. But first, can I please have your original ID so my detective can do a background check on you first?""Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you.

    But before any conversation, may I please have your original ID for age and background checks?

    Before getting any closer I will need a blood sample for sobriety and drug tests!"

    Merely talking to a (potential) minor is dangerous.  Touching and kissing is a minefield

    If she looks under 35, check ID to avoid minors

    Complex laws "protect" adolescents below the "age of consent". So the mandatory ID checks should be done not just for sex, but before touching and kissing. Thus you avoid "indecent acts with a minor" charges. ID checks are needed even before talking, because mere talking it could be considered "grooming" of a minor.  If a 17-year-old looks 30 years old, and if you met her with a fake ID in a over-21-years-bar you still get 15 years in jail. So for any girl looking under 35 years of age, ID needs to be checked for veracity before any further grooming and courting.

    Most underage "rape" laws apply to indecent behavior with a minor. Explicit sex is not needed. Derek Logue was arrested in Alabama for making sexual contact (kissing) with an 11-year-old girl I had known while I was in college (around my 23rd birthday). I plead guilty to one count of 1st degree sexual abuse and received a six year sentence.

    This could happen to you in less extreme cases, if you engage in necking with a 17 year old you mistook for a 22 year old.
    Kissing can transmit diseases (see 30b). People (ahem, men) have been sued and ordered to pay US$ 1.5 Million for unproven potential transmission of sexually transmittable diseases through, well, sex. As these can also be transmitted by kissing, genital rubbing, oral genital contact etc. it is only obvious, that legal waivers should be signed before kissing.

    Of course, dangerous diseases like swine flu, tuberculosis, conjunctivitis can be transmitted by talking, sneezing, handshakes. So maybe, soon a lawyer is needed before handshakes, talking or sneezing or sharing the same room in a movie theater.
    Grooming If you are just friendly with a minor, we already have grooming laws on file. No attempt at any sexuality is needed, just you befriend a girl and you already are a suspect. Chatting with a potential minor on the internet is the way to get arrested.

    We already listed 27 essential precautions before sex in this ground-breaking article

     

    28) Stalking and harassment charge avoidance

    Stalking and harassment laws may put you in jail for phoning, texting, or sending flowers

    In Britain, if a women feels harassed twice, like by one love letter and once you try to pick her up after work, she can sue you for harassment.

    We mistakenly thought that a mere 27 precautions checklist would suffice before engaging in sex. We stand corrected.

    Get a lawyer before courting

    1. Men need legal counsel to to take precautions not just before sex, but even before courting, kissing and even before conversing with a woman.
    2. We missed some essential precautions. 27 precautions are not enough, rather we arrive at a total of 34 precautions before talking, kissing, and sex.

    Our original 27 precautions list has items such as

    • proof of consent,
    • proof that consent was never withdrawn for even 5 seconds,
    • proof that the woman was not in any way mentally incapacitated in ways that would invalidate consent,
    • proof of age for all women that appear to be under 35 years of age. Precautions against fake ID

     

    A lawyer must be consulted before kissing, fondling, courting or even talking 

    "Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you. But first, can I please have your original ID so my detective can do a background check on you first?""Excuse me. Miss. I would like to talk to you.

    But before any conversation, may I please have your original ID for age and background checks?

    Before getting any closer I will need a blood sample for sobriety and drug tests!"

    Merely talking to a (potential) minor is dangerous.  Touching and kissing is a minefield

    If she looks under 35, check ID to avoid minors

    Complex laws "protect" adolescents below the "age of consent". So the mandatory ID checks should be done not just for sex, but before touching and kissing. Thus you avoid "indecent acts with a minor" charges. ID checks are needed even before talking, because mere talking it could be considered "grooming" of a minor.  If a 17-year-old looks 30 years old, and if you met her with a fake ID in a over-21-years-bar you still get 15 years in jail. So for any girl looking under 35 years of age, ID needs to be checked for veracity before any further grooming and courting.

    Most underage "rape" laws apply to indecent behavior with a minor. Explicit sex is not needed. Derek Logue was arrested in Alabama for making sexual contact (kissing) with an 11-year-old girl I had known while I was in college (around my 23rd birthday). I plead guilty to one count of 1st degree sexual abuse and received a six year sentence.

    This could happen to you in less extreme cases, if you engage in necking with a 17 year old you mistook for a 22 year old.
    Kissing can transmit diseases (see 30b). People (ahem, men) have been sued and ordered to pay US$ 1.5 Million for unproven potential transmission of sexually transmittable diseases through, well, sex. As these can also be transmitted by kissing, genital rubbing, oral genital contact etc. it is only obvious, that legal waivers should be signed before kissing.

    Of course, dangerous diseases like swine flu, tuberculosis, conjunctivitis can be transmitted by talking, sneezing, handshakes. So maybe, soon a lawyer is needed before handshakes, talking or sneezing or sharing the same room in a movie theater.
    Grooming If you are just friendly with a minor, we already have grooming laws on file. No attempt at any sexuality is needed, just you befriend a girl and you already are a suspect. Chatting with a potential minor on the internet is the way to get arrested.

    We already listed 27 essential precautions before sex in this ground-breaking article

     

    28) Stalking and harassment charge avoidance

    Stalking and harassment laws may put you in jail for phoning, texting, or sending flowers

    In Britain, if a women feels harassed twice, like by one love letter and once you try to pick her up after work, she can sue you for harassment.

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    Actor Dough Hutchinson (51) married Courtney Alexis Stodden (16). Is he a child rapist?

    Is actor Dough Hutchinson a child rapist?

    51 year old Dough Hutchinson married a 16 year old child (yes, by law she is a child) . Do you think, that, before marriage, Dough Hutchinson never touched Courtney Alexis Stodden indecently? Because that would be a heinous crime of child rape and grave victimization of poor Alexis. Or if he chatted with her on the internet, he would be in violation of grooming laws.

    doug-hutchinson-courtney-alexis-stoddenShe is 16 y, he 51 y (35 years difference)

    Age ain’t nothing but a number – just ask 51-year-old actor Doug Hutchison. Hutchison, whose film and TV credits include ‘The Green Mile,’ ‘Lost’ and ’24,’ said ‘I do’ to 16-year-old aspiring country star Courtney Alexis Stodden on May 20 in Las Vegas.
    While the couple’s 35-year age difference has already raised many eyebrows, the newlyweds insist they are truly in love.
    ‘We’re aware that our vast age difference is extremely controversial,’ the couple told E! Online. ‘But we’re very much in love and want to get the message out there that true love can be ageless.’ NY Daily News

    The age of consent in California is 18, for sex law purposes she is a child. If Dough Hutchinson ever had sex with Courtney before marriage, this is rape. All rapes are equal. Nowadays, marriage does not remedy such heinous felony.

    Courtney Alexis Stodden’s mother claims:

    "Courtney was a virgin when she married Doug," said Krista Stoddden. "She is a good Christian girl. NY Daily News

    If he just engaged in oral sex or indecent touching, indecent acts with a minor are rape too, at least sexual assault. Even if he never touched her, then he might have sent her seductive emails and thus run afoul of grooming laws. If he crossed state lines with the intent of having as much as oral sex with her in a state where it 16 is the legal age of consent, he would be violating federal law in the USA.

    Even if he consumated the sexual acts only in marriage, it still leaves open the significant question:

    • why is Courtney unable to *consent to sex, but she can consent to marriage.
    • And why, after marriage, can she consent to sex?

    We need a criminal investigation. This husband needs to be arrested without bail, the minor child needs to be saved. Obviously she has been brainwashed. Furthermore, it is just disgusting how an old guy like that can be with an innocent child of 16. We need new laws to outlaw such behavior, to protect innocent 16 year old children from such a marriage. 

    In California, any person, of any age, that has sex with a minor, is a child rapist and felon. Most ( teens have sex before 18 years. 65-70% have sex before they are 18.  That means, the average teen gets raped at least once and one person should go to prison.  So Millions of Californians need to be locked up in prison. The law is the law, and the law has to be obeyed.

    Do you think our proposals are stupid, wrong, immoral?  Well, stand up and fight for all these laws to be revoked.

    Teenage sexuality: The immense complexity of local laws, state lines and international travel

    Every country and state has ever changing sex laws with different ages of consent, and Romeo and Juliet (age gap) exemptions. The consequences of travel across state and international borders are of extreme complexity so a team of local experts and international law experts should be consulted. 

    Age of consent by state in USA

    Near state lines, adolescents need to carry GPS to make sure they are in the right state. When one partner is between 16 and 18 years old, then the location is of primordial importance. If you are an adolescent and think you can go to a more liberal neighboring state to engage in erotic and sexual activity, think twice: US federal law makes it a felony to cross state lines with the intent to have sex with an under 18 year old adolescent.

    But, even if you cross between 2 states with age of consent of 16, with intent to have sex with your 17 year old lover, you still run afoul of federal law!? Certainly, if you travel to Europe to have legal sex with a 15 or 16 year old, as a US resident you are committing a felony by US law. If a non-resident European in the US receives his Green card (residency), his hitherto legal relationship in Europe suddenly becomes a felony in the US. Sex law attorneys have a golden future!

    Case study: Vermont

    Vermont: Age of Consent: 16 Age gap Provision: Yes*

    Lewd or Lascivious Conduct with a Child:
    No person shall willfully or lewdly commit and lewd or lascivious act upon or with the body, or any part or member thereof, of a child under the age of 16 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passion, or sexual desires, of such person. This section shall not apply if the actor is less than 19 years of age, the child is at least 15 years of age, and the contact is consensual.
    Adolescent Sexual Behavior and the Law

    Legal today, but felony after next birthday

    Analyzing Vermont law, one can see

    • If she is 14, he is 18. They have to wait. Not even a lewd act with the body. No touching!
    • On her 15th birthday, they can have sex.
    • Careful! on his 19th birthday, at midnight, what they legally did before, becomes a felony again.
    • After she turns16, they can go back to having sex.

    Easy, is it not? just put this into grade school curriculum. It is a good training for reading comprehension of legal codes.

    While in Florida

    If you are 23 and have a 16 year old girlfriend, beware of your 24th birthday. You will become a criminal!

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    Yes means No! Forcibly raping a 17 year old is the same rape as consensual love making.

    “Yes” means “No”

    You have a girl friend under the local age of consent, and you (unwisely) want to have sex with her. Don’t bother to ask for her consent to sex.  Just ravish her violently, no matter how much she resists. It makes no difference if she consents or not. Her “yes” means “no”, her consent is invalid. Either way, if she consents or not, you are raping her. And all rapes are the same.

    This is not my fault. I am not making this up. This is our modern law and modern logic.

    “No” means “No”, too.

    Minors under 18 (or 16) years of age can not consent to sex.  If s/he says “Yes”, it means “No”. If she says “No”, it means “No”, too.

    A underage girl’s consent it totally irrelevant

    1. On the way home 3 young men drag 15 year old Maria into an abandoned lot, 2 men hold her down and one rapes her violently, against her protests and screams.
    2. 15 year old Maria begs her boyfriend to make love to her and they have a great love-making session.
    What is the difference between (1) and (2)?

    Both (1) and (2) are exactly the same: non-consensual rape!. If she consented or fought back makes no difference!

    I am really sorry, forgive me.

    I am not insensitive to rape victims.

    Maria, if you think that forcible rape and love making are not the same, you are mistaken! You are too young to understand the wisdom of the elders, that know that these are the same.

    I am sorry,it is not my fault. I did not make this up. I swear.  On the contrary, I dare to challenge conventional wisdom and write against this insanity.

    There are cases where a 15 or 17 year old girl begs a judge not to jail her boyfriend and common law husband, father, financial supporter and caretaker of her baby. But, the laws are there to protect her (?from what??), and thus she is left a penniless single mother with a jailed boyfriend in prison.

    We fail to see how this serves the well being of the child, which is of extreme importance to the law.

    All rapes are the same

    We just learned, from Vice President Biden “Rape is rape is rape” : all types of rape are the same.  British Kenneth Clarke said  that “some “rapes” are less serious then others” but was forced to recant.  Clarke explicitly stated that a 17 year old boy making love with his 15 year old girl friend is not the same as dragging someone into the bushes. A media outcry corrected him and recanted. So it is the consensus, that both are the same.

    Feminist manipulative language made sure that almost every sex act is a potential rape. And now it is clarified that all rapes are the same.

    “I love you, please make love to me” = “NOOO, don’t touch me, leave me alone”
    lovey-dovey-feeling =

    (is equal to)

    		 rape-ducks

    Offensive to forcible rape victims

    "Yes" means "No"

    You have a girl friend under the local age of consent, and you (unwisely) want to have sex with her. Don’t bother to ask for her consent to sex.  Just ravish her violently, no matter how much she resists. It makes no difference if she consents or not. Her "yes" means "no", her consent is invalid. Either way, if she consents or not, you are raping her. And all rapes are the same.

    This is not my fault. I am not making this up. This is our modern law and modern logic. 

    "No" means "No", too.

    Minors under 18 (or 16) years of age can not consent to sex.  If s/he says "Yes", it means "No". If she says "No", it means "No", too.

    A underage girl’s consent it totally irrelevant

    1. On the way home 3 young men drag 15 year old Maria into an abandoned lot, 2 men hold her down and one rapes her violently, against her protests and screams.
    2. 15 year old Maria begs her boyfriend to make love to her and they have a great love-making session.
    What is the difference between (1) and (2)?

    Both (1) and (2) are exactly the same: non-consensual rape!. If she consented or fought back makes no difference!

    I am really sorry, forgive me.

    I am not insensitive to rape victims.

    Maria, if you think that forcible rape and love making are not the same, you are mistaken! You are too young to understand the wisdom of the elders, that know that these are the same.

    I am sorry,it is not my fault. I did not make this up. I swear.  On the contrary, I dare to challenge conventional wisdom and write against this insanity.

    There are cases where a 15 or 17 year old girl begs a judge not to jail her boyfriend and common law husband, father, financial supporter and caretaker of her baby. But, the laws are there to protect her (?from what??), and thus she is left a penniless single mother with a jailed boyfriend in prison. 

    We fail to see how this serves the well being of the child, which is of extreme importance to the law.

    All rapes are the same

    We just learned, from Vice President Biden "Rape is rape is rape" : all types of rape are the same.  British Kenneth Clarke said  that "some "rapes" are less serious then others" but was forced to recant.  Clarke explicitly stated that a 17 year old boy making love with his 15 year old girl friend is not the same as dragging someone into the bushes. A media outcry corrected him and recanted. So it is the consensus, that both are the same.

    Feminist manipulative language made sure that almost every sex act is a potential rape. And now it is clarified that all rapes are the same.

    "I love you, please make love to me"

    =

    		"NOOO, don’t touch me, leave me alone"
    lovey-dovey-feeling

    =

    (is equal to)

    		 rape-ducks

    Offensive to forcible rape victims

    "Yes" means "No"

    You have a girl friend under the local age of consent, and you (unwisely) want to have sex with her. Don’t bother to ask for her consent to sex.  Just ravish her violently, no matter how much she resists. It makes no difference if she consents or not. Her "yes" means "no", her consent is invalid. Either way, if she consents or not, you are raping her. And all rapes are the same.

    This is not my fault. I am not making this up. This is our modern law and modern logic. 

    "No" means "No", too.

    Minors under 18 (or 16) years of age can not consent to sex.  If s/he says "Yes", it means "No". If she says "No", it means "No", too.

    A underage girl’s consent it totally irrelevant

    1. On the way home 3 young men drag 15 year old Maria into an abandoned lot, 2 men hold her down and one rapes her violently, against her protests and screams.
    2. 15 year old Maria begs her boyfriend to make love to her and they have a great love-making session.
    What is the difference between (1) and (2)?

    Both (1) and (2) are exactly the same: non-consensual rape!. If she consented or fought back makes no difference!

    I am really sorry, forgive me.

    I am not insensitive to rape victims.

    Maria, if you think that forcible rape and love making are not the same, you are mistaken! You are too young to understand the wisdom of the elders, that know that these are the same.

    I am sorry,it is not my fault. I did not make this up. I swear.  On the contrary, I dare to challenge conventional wisdom and write against this insanity.

    There are cases where a 15 or 17 year old girl begs a judge not to jail her boyfriend and common law husband, father, financial supporter and caretaker of her baby. But, the laws are there to protect her (?from what??), and thus she is left a penniless single mother with a jailed boyfriend in prison. 

    We fail to see how this serves the well being of the child, which is of extreme importance to the law.

    All rapes are the same

    We just learned, from Vice President Biden "Rape is rape is rape" : all types of rape are the same.  British Kenneth Clarke said  that "some "rapes" are less serious then others" but was forced to recant.  Clarke explicitly stated that a 17 year old boy making love with his 15 year old girl friend is not the same as dragging someone into the bushes. A media outcry corrected him and recanted. So it is the consensus, that both are the same.

    Feminist manipulative language made sure that almost every sex act is a potential rape. And now it is clarified that all rapes are the same.

    "I love you, please make love to me"

    =

    		"NOOO, don’t touch me, leave me alone"
    lovey-dovey-feeling

    =

    (is equal to)

    		 rape-ducks

    Offensive to forcible rape victims

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    Hummer Mom’ Christine Hubbs Convicted of Underage Sex, Says She’s Not a ‘Predator’

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    Double standard: men punished more harshly then women

    • If a man did the same, would it be called "underage sex"? No, it would be called rape. So there certainly is a double standard.
    • Would a man get away with 5 years? A man probably would get 15 to 25 years in jail.
    • In a TV interview, would a man not be treated much worse?

    Sex has more serious consequences for boys then for girls: The double standard should be inverted!

    In this modern age boys need more protection then girls (due to slower maturation, existing laws and scientific progress)

    • adolescent girls mature faster then boys, physically, intellectually and psychologically. Legal age for marriage was, and still is much lower for girls then for boys in most countries in the world (Marriagable Age | Wikipedia, Elisabethan marriage customs, Historical Age of Marriage). This has also to do with gender roles with the more mature man the provider and protector.
    • pregnancy, the real sex-induced "damage" to girls can be avoided by birth control. Girls have total freedom to decide if they carry a pregnancy to term or use their reproductive freedom for an early term abortion.
    • Things have changed since the EEA, where evolution has shaped our inborn moral feelings, and since biblical times, when our religious code was written down. Fairly recently, we devised birth control, abortion, DNA tests, government welfare and legal child support obligation for men.
    • In biblical times and the EEA, a girl had no option to avoid pregnancy through birth control, no option to terminate pregnancy through (early term) abortion, no courts nor police state  pursuing the father for support (except shotgun weddings due to pressure by the girl’s kin), no government welfare, no child care and job opportunities for single mothers. And her marriage prospects would have gotten really dim after having an out of wedlock baby.
    • Thus, girls and women can have risk-free sex with no long term consequences.
    • Boys, on the other hand are totally powerless once a woman got pregnant. Boys/men  have absolutely no chance to avoid the serious trauma of
      • decades of enforced ruinous child support  and alimony duty
      • with no automatic visitation rights to even see the child or influencing how the money is spent.
      • No rights but payment duties enforced by police and prison, not much different from slavery.

    Thanks to the AntiFeminist for calling our attention to some of the above issues.

    Now that we clarified that adolescent boys are in more need of protection then girls, Human-Stupidity dares to question if any adolescent needs government protection against his/her own decisions.

    Are draconian punishments needed to protect adolescents from their own actions and decisions?

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